**OFFICIAL** AT Battlefield 3 FAQ and News Thread

[videogames101]

Nope, we've gotten jack info. How in the hell are they going to balance jet rape in the time they have left? I'm sure they have internal playtesting going on, but then, I'm sure they did for BF2 as well and we know how that turned out.

Excuse me? I think you're mad your team didn't sit in AA emplacements all day, because that massacres jets all day. L2Teamwork, it's what 64 player battlefield with vehicles is all about.

 

[skipsneeky2]

I've heard of a bunch of different dates for the beta so i have no idea when its coming out now. I have a feeling sept 10 or 11 is going to be the actual day but well have to see. I'm going to hold off on my preorder until I know for sure. I'm really curious to see if this old 8800GT will run it on low..

Might be able to use this as a reference...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fg4jenjM34 <this guy was able to get decent fps with a 5770 which isn't worlds better better at 1600x900 on high.

Perhaps in beta/retail your card could do medium maybe if not worst case a 5770 is capable.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Excuse me? I think you're mad your team didn't sit in AA emplacements all day, because that massacres jets all day. L2Teamwork, it's what 64 player battlefield with vehicles is all about.

Most people acknowledge the inadequacy of BF2 AA. They don't get the job done. Teamwork or otherwise.

Jet reliant players of course will swear all day long that they get raped by AA, it just isn't true.

 

[videogames101]

Most people acknowledge the inadequacy of BF2 AA. They don't get the job done. Teamwork or otherwise.

Jet reliant players of course will swear all day long that they get raped by AA, it just isn't true.

Do you realize the number of fixed AA locations on most maps? It's practically overkill, if people man them, jets don't fly.

 

[Ackmed]

Incorrect. Jets can own AA, and as stated above, the AA in BF2 sucked. And if the opposing team owns most flags, then you dont have AA anyways. Except at your base, which is generally a no fly zone. A map can be ruined (if you're against them) with a few good pilots. Because you simply cant kill them often enough. A stinger missile like in Desert Combat would be awesome.

Hopefully its more like BC2, which it should be. Even then I think it will be hard to keep jets from over powering a map.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

In BF2 most jets would do loopy high altitude divebombs to keep the AA under control. The only real AA was a better pilot on the other team.

 

[zerocool84]

In BF2 most jets would do loopy high altitude divebombs to keep the AA under control. The only real AA was a better pilot on the other team.

Exactly and as we know, the best person rarely gets the jets, it's whoever gets there first. Then if a good person gets it, they go like 80-3 since AA sucks real bad. The only people who say jets aren't overpowered are the people who go 80-3 in them.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

That said there's no way of knowing what sort of problem they'll be without first observing how missiles actually perform (BF2 missiles frankly sucked, you were better off with the no tracking super high speed missiles in desert combat), and whether or not they have safeguards in place to prevent the loopy divebombing nonsense (*cough*stalling*cough*).

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Exactly and as we know, the best person rarely gets the jets, it's whoever gets there first. Then if a good person gets it, they go like 80-3 since AA sucks real bad. The only people who say jets aren't overpowered are the people who go 80-3 in them.

This is why we need to get uncap attacks confirmed allowed on all servers. At least wherever the uncap is an airfield. Because you cannot guarantee that your own team's pilots will be able to give the other team's pilots a good fight, and if they can't, infantry need to be able to bring justice to the enemy pilots at their airfield.

Also, there are LOTS of ways to own AA as jets in BF2. not the least of which is strafing them from beyond their lock range. And even if you aren't good enough to do that, flares give you a free shot at one, and then there's the fact that even if there is a second AA going, 2 shots won't kill a jet. So, the jet kills the AA, and once they are dead, the jet strafes the AA immediately upon respawn for another minute or two, teaching the enemy not to even TRY to do it again.

That said there's no way of knowing what sort of problem they'll be without first observing how missiles actually perform (BF2 missiles frankly sucked, you were better off with the no tracking super high speed missiles in desert combat), and whether or not they have safeguards in place to prevent the loopy divebombing nonsense (*cough*stalling*cough*).

It's inconceivable to me that BF3 AA, especially MANPADS, will suddenly save the day. DICE isn't going to overpower the AA in the opposite direction of BF2 otherwise no one would fly. Best case scenario is if you run around with at least 3 AA in your squad(sacrificing ability against tanks) , you'll be able to make a minor dent in the enemy jet whores' 80-3 kills.

And for MANPADS specifically, they will be single shot. Imagine a BF2 suicide chair, if those were single shot it would take at least 3 and sometimes 4 shots to kill.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I for one think that it will be a lot harder for jets to spot people on the maps in FB2 because there is so much more detail. People won't stick out like sore thumbs anymore.

 

[videogames101]

Exactly and as we know, the best person rarely gets the jets, it's whoever gets there first. Then if a good person gets it, they go like 80-3 since AA sucks real bad. The only people who say jets aren't overpowered are the people who go 80-3 in them.

Wrong, people who say jets are overpowered are mad cus bad. I don't know how else to put it. It's a team game, jets are supposed to be powerful, but they weren't even close to broken.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Wrong, people who say jets are overpowered are mad cus bad. I don't know how else to put it. It's a team game, jets are supposed to be powerful, but they weren't even close to broken.

No.

 

[videogames101]

No.

Do you expect one soldier to be able to kill a jet?

If the answer is yes, you've missed the point.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Do you expect one soldier to be able to kill a jet?

If the answer is yes, you've missed the point.

It takes far more than one soldier to kill a jet in BF2. NO number of infantry can do it. Tanks can't do it without a lucky shot. No number of AA can do it with any reasonable consistency either.

And the reverse question is, are you expecting a jet to be immune to individual players?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Do you expect one soldier to be able to kill a jet?

If the answer is yes, you've missed the point.

No.

 

[videogames101]

It takes far more than one soldier to kill a jet in BF2. NO number of infantry can do it. Tanks can't do it without a lucky shot. No number of AA can do it with any reasonable consistency either.

And the reverse question is, are you expecting a jet to be immune to individual players?

This hasn't been my experience. I'm not sure how to argue this beyond that I have experienced jets getting shut-down by AA.

 

[zerocool84]

Do you expect one soldier to be able to kill a jet?

If the answer is yes, you've missed the point.

If a video game is unbalanced then it's not good. One soldier shouldn't be able to but a team should. Just like one player in a Jet shouldn't be able to rape everyone so easily. It's a matter of balance.

 

[videogames101]

If a video game is unbalanced then it's not good. One soldier shouldn't be able to but a team should. Just like one player in a Jet shouldn't be able to rape everyone so easily. It's a matter of balance.

And I think it wasn't that hard. You think otherwise, cool?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

And I think it wasn't that hard. You think otherwise, cool?

No.

 

[videogames101]

No.

:'(

 

[DeadFred]

Snipers need the ability to one shot kill jets.......... then all will be well. :biggrin:

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Snipers need the ability to one shot kill jets.......... then all will be well. :biggrin:

They had that ability in BF2. Well, if you hid in the enemy base and sniped the pilot out.

Of course, so many servers are turning to the dark side and using unfair uncap rules that that will not really be possible in BF3.

 

[Demo24]

How is uncap unfair, you want to be spawn camped even worse?


Christ, all this complaining about a game that isn't even out yet because every detail isn't exactly like "xxx" is really downing on this game and every time I read this for an update about it I go through a ton of comments that make me a bit less excited every time.

 

[Zargon]

he bitches about everything don't worry

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

How is uncap unfair, you want to be spawn camped even worse?


Christ, all this complaining about a game that isn't even out yet because every detail isn't exactly like "xxx" is really downing on this game and every time I read this for an update about it I go through a ton of comments that make me a bit less excited every time.

Exactly like "xxx"? You're way off. Uncap rules have been increasingly present in games since BF1942. That trend needs to be reversed. It has nothing to do with matching the uncap rules levels of any specific game. And as far as complaining about a game that's not out yet, I denounce uncap rules for BF4, 5 and beyond as well. It's just not right.

As far as unfair , here's a short list, and I do not claim it to be all-inclusive:
1. Uncap rules artificially empower jets and choppers by giving them a safe base where they can't be attacked by infantry. If your own pilots are unable to get the job done against enemy aircraft, it leaves your ground forces completely powerless to do anything but serve as cannon fodder. they COULD go after the aircraft at their base but are prevented by uncap rules.
2. Snipers love to exploit-snipe out of protected bases
3. Not being able to attack them squelches free-thinking tactics in general
4. When you are dominating an enemy team, not being able to press the attack gives the enemy an artificial, and thus unfair, chance to break out and recap flags.