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darkewaffle

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General chat in most every game is in a pretty sad state, it's just the culture not the game in this case. If you're looking for someone to play with or talk to your best bet is a guild, but even then my friends and I communicate almost exclusively on Vent these days and I'm sure we're not the only ones.

Bots suck and I hope they're successful in dealing with them, but on the other hand with the global AH and the non-competitive loot and nodes, I think their overall impact on the economy is diminished at least. Which is what matters to me, I don't really care if they farm up a million Karma or not.
 

Josh123

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General chat in most every game is in a pretty sad state, it's just the culture not the game in this case. If you're looking for someone to play with or talk to your best bet is a guild, but even then my friends and I communicate almost exclusively on Vent these days and I'm sure we're not the only ones.

Bots suck and I hope they're successful in dealing with them, but on the other hand with the global AH and the non-competitive loot and nodes, I think their overall impact on the economy is diminished at least. Which is what matters to me, I don't really care if they farm up a million Karma or not.

I remember bots being EVERYWHERE when I played Lineage 2. I was kind of expecting the same thing to happen in Guild Wars too.
 

Keeper

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I have to say, the server me and my wife play on is pretty lame. There absolutly no social interaction with other players.

So far we have just been leveling and currently at level 25. I don't know if I should be saving my karma or what. When I ask in the map chat I just get a lot of trolls. : /


Same here but for the LIFE of me I cant rememeber what server I am on.

I even offer to team up with singles for a veteran or a tough skill point challenge........ Nuttin. Didnt GW1 give bonus XP for teaming up?
Maybe THAT would help. My "Accepts" on grouping is probably LESS than 10%. Kinda SAD.
 

zinfamous

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Same here but for the LIFE of me I cant rememeber what server I am on.

I even offer to team up with singles for a veteran or a tough skill point challenge........ Nuttin. Didnt GW1 give bonus XP for teaming up?
Maybe THAT would help. My "Accepts" on grouping is probably LESS than 10%. Kinda SAD.

no bonus XP in GW1, but there was loot scaling--better and more frequent loot drops dependent on party number. This was instituted a year or so into that game to combat excessive solo farming for ecto and things like that, and meant to bring down such prices.

XP in GW1 was no biggy--by the time Factions was released, you could max level a character (only 20 levels) in a day with no real grind or power-leveling.

That being said, there really does need to be more incentive for grouping in this game, and I've been saying it since release. I like that nodes and loot are no long competitive, but that simply reduces the desire to group. It removes some animosity while out and exploring, but it pushes people away from teaming up. I'd like to see a higher percentage of magic drops or something like that when teaming up, or at least team-wide looting if you aren't able to compete as well on the DPS factor, despite equal participation. (say my Mes is responsible for buffing a warrior's damage into oblivion, while I myself am able to pump out a few decent burst hits on a mob, but not much more than that...why is warrior getting all of the credit for loot reward when I should be equally credited with booning that meathead into the stratosphere? )
 

Zenoth

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I know some would disagree, but indeed bots contribute to force a false perception of population activity. It is deceiving. You play, quest, explore on your own or perhaps with a few friends, and you'd come upon a field to participate in finishing a Task, or you're just gathering herbs or minerals. Then suddenly you see a number of players pass by a road all following each others, behind one another and moving in a perfect synchronization like a snake. The thing is that I have been the witness of actual real players whom never noticed such bots as they did their farming thing (the bots) and it all occurred right in front of them (the players) until I (or usually someone else) cares to type in Say chat (if not Map chat) about the fact that "those players" are bots. Then follows the unbelievable reaction of disbelief and/or surprise by the "unsuspecting" players. It goes as simple as "What the hell is that skill they use to teleport around like this?" (asked by the players whom perhaps never noticed one before) followed after some time by someone else (or me) replying "Dude they are bots...". Then if it's new to them or they never expected it, they usually react with and reply "Really?".

Well yeah, really....

Yes, I am generalizing, but I am not exaggerating in the sense that bots are literally everywhere. There is not a single zone not even within WvW without at the very least a few dozens of them. The thing is that not all of them are named Fsdhyuitk or Totallynothuman. They are not always obvious, and they are not always stuck within one same area. Which of course I suspect is done in the code or by choice (by the user of the bot) to ensure a minimum amount of "safety" by moving from farming location to another to avoid suspicions. Now, some bot users (or simply bots themselves) are in a guild with known/popular guild tags (which I won't name here, but did mention to ArenaNet anyway, for what it's worth). Some players use their "main" character with a more serious name with a guild tag and they just happen to bot on those characters too from time to time (yeah, can you imagine that there is such a thing as a "casual bot"?). Most of the bots which happen to be completely automated, seemingly all day long non-stop, usually are indeed named after something that doesn't make sense or is just a random mix of letters put together. Additionally, some bots work in a pair. Those in pairs are often seen with one being named for example "Mrjoe" and the other named "Joemr", they just reverse half of the name for one bot, and the same name reversed to the next variant for the second bot, while both work in tandem to kill mobs as they spawn.

So, all of this to say that as you play around, think twice when you truly think that the character(s) (not to say players) that you just saw pass by are human players. They may be, or maybe not, which is the point (the point being that you can never be sure, which is silly on its own right). Is that fun when you play? Of course you can possibly "not care" about how a bot farms a bazillion karma or other currency, whatever it happens to be and doesn't affect you, or does it? Doesn't it contribute to add to the feeling that the map (at the very least, if not the whole game in general) feels deserted unless you idle in Lion's Arch to finally see some humans type on their keyboard? I mean if I want bots in my games I could as well just launch Unreal Tournament. It's not like bots in GW2 are actually fun to watch or frag, they're just the product and consequence of lazy players who prefer not to play and let them do the work, or dare I say do play the game but also multi-box their game with bots on one side doing double the work as they play anyway on another character with another account and another key.

Maybe bots do not severely affect the economy of the game, or one of a particular server, yeah maybe. My problem isn't even that, my problem and to repeat myself again is that bots, for me, add to the feeling that I am playing pretty much a single-player game and from time to time I happen to spot a human player. But... usually, I play around doing my own stuff on my own and just... well feel alone. Wait, what is that, a player doing a quest? Let's go che.... ah never mind, he just teleported, screw that. Well of course I could just "ignore" all of it and just indeed play around on my own but then... it doesn't feel nor looks like a MMORPG. To be honest so far anyway I feel that as long as I do not stand anywhere in Lion's Arch I do not see much difference between GW2 in terms of human population and Diablo 3. I'm exaggerating? Well yes I am. But anyway... I cannot be certain that a lone player even with a seemingly "natural" or "serious" name, or if a player even in a known guild isn't a bot, or "botting" (away from the monitor or not).

I guess I was naive... if anything can be put on my shoulders. It's the price to pay when you want to stay spoilers-free (as much as possible anyway) before buying a game. I did not even buy it until they re-opened their digital purchases fairly recently (not sure it's even be a full month yet). Had I know, had I read more of their forums (and here), had I watched more videos about GW2 in general (of all types, including those of "complaints" which might have included the bots issue)... had I been fully aware that the problem of bots was so rampant I truly would have stayed away from the game. But what is done is done and thankfully there's no monthly fee.

Am I going to stop playing... not really... not "stop" per se but... there's much less incentive to do so and I'm not even Level 80 yet, and I hear and read that also on its own the end-game aspect of GW2 (completely regardless of bots) is also problematic (not to say "lacking") so... yeah I don't know. I'm playing still but I guess I'm taking everything with as much of a grain of salt as I can pretend to, when I know I don't and it does affect the game in general. Good for those whom are completely oblivious to the situation, I am actually jealous of you guys out there, care to share the secret? Close your eyes about it and accept it? Live with it? Pretend the game is single-player and inhabited by NPCs some of which are merely more obvious than others?

Meh... I think I'll just go back and play and force some sort of bubble of acceptance about it otherwise I would ruin what I think is still a good game experience. I truly think that GW2 is a great game, sure not perfect there's issues (not just bots) but I am really enjoying most of it. I just don't like it when I can barely distinguish human players and bots anymore, I'm not sure of anything unless "finally" someone types something in Map chat, at which point I take a deep breath and think "Survivor... Survivor!" (akin to "New land... new land!!!").
 
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zinfamous

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^ good lord, editing goes a looooong way!

But to reinforce something you said, a lot of these bots aren't obvious by the name. I think many of them represent hijacked accounts, which is quite sad. I keep thinking I am going to run into pontifex's toon, half-naked, running in circles and transporting all around a small section of Gendarran fields.

my current problem with end-game content is that I have a small window of time where I'm really into dungeon running and can do a few runs before I crap out and get tired of the necessary focus. Meaning, those in the guild that are really into and quite experienced with dungeon runs have already completed their daily requirement and arent' exactly up for it when I get on in the evening, or like has happened with much of the guild, simply off playing BL2 or whatever. ...and it's not just the experienced ones, guild activity has lessened dramatically after early burn mode. :\ But I'd like to emphasize that this has more to do with my own personal flakiness when it comes to any kind of MMO group activity than anything else. I don't know, maybe I should spend more time in PvP.

whatever, I'm still having fun leveling my toons and easing up the slow march towards finally maxing out my main and all that. (I'm cheap...so I don't like to buy things on the market, especially as prices rise faster than my current (in)ability to make decent scratch)
 
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Zenoth

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^ good lord, editing goes a looooong way!

But to reinforce something you said, a lot of these bots aren't obvious by the name. I think many of them represent hijacked accounts, which is quite sad. I keep thinking I am going to run into pontifex's toon, half-naked, running in circles and transporting all around a small section of Gendarran fields.

my current problem with end-game content is that I have a small window of time where I'm really into dungeon running and can do a few runs before I crap out and get tired of the necessary focus. Meaning, those in the guild that are really into and quite experienced with dungeon runs have already completed their daily requirement and arent' exactly up for it when I get on in the evening, or like has happened with much of the guild, simply off playing BL2 or whatever. ...and it's not just the experienced ones, guild activity has lessened dramatically after early burn mode. :\ But I'd like to emphasize that this has more to do with my own personal flakiness when it comes to any kind of MMO group activity than anything else. I don't know, maybe I should spend more time in PvP.

whatever, I'm still having fun leveling my toons and easing up the slow march towards finally maxing out my main and all that. (I'm cheap...so I don't like to buy things on the market, especially as prices rise faster than my current (in)ability to make decent scratch)

Hehe I always edit my posts, sometimes I spend almost as much time editing as I did typing the post. My problem is I hit the Sumbit Reply button too soon before re-reading my stuff... meh.

And, yeah I think I'm going to join a guild, not much choice anymore it's the best I can do if I don't want to feel alone in a MMORPG. Any suggestions perhaps? I don't really care if the guild is (or is not) at "the top" or the podium. Nor do I care if the guild has the highest amount of... wait actually I think I would care if it does have a higher number of human members. Now come to think of it, if for some reason I ever create my own guild (which I know I'll never do) I'd totally have the following tag: [WHH]

It would stand for "We Have Humans".

Anyway, I'm on Darkhaven so... the only guild I've heard of mostly from Map chat is The Royal Guards I think the name is? That and I think the other one is something with Raven in it... that's about what I can remember.
 

darkewaffle

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I miss WoW's badge system relative to the Token system. I get that they want you to try them all essentially, but it's kind of a drag how (out of my group of friends) we all want gear out of a different dungeon and you essentially have no use for the tokens aside from the one dungeon's particular gear. I think I'd prefer a general token or some kind of exchange rate system, maybe the ability to trade 1 X token for .5 Y token.
 

Genx87

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Tried out WvW for the first time last night. It really reminded me of DAOC which is a good thing. But I am obviously missing the nicer gear and trait lines on my guardian. Pretty much got owned out there lol

My buddy was rolling around with an elementalist. Thinking of rolling up my warrior as a melee for WvW and a Mesmer for ranged? Opinions?
 

Keeper

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Tried out WvW for the first time last night. It really reminded me of DAOC which is a good thing. But I am obviously missing the nicer gear and trait lines on my guardian. Pretty much got owned out there lol

My buddy was rolling around with an elementalist. Thinking of rolling up my warrior as a melee for WvW and a Mesmer for ranged? Opinions?


FIRST OFF DAOC? WOW, That was my fave MMPORG. Love it. I always looked for something of that flavor. Even as a lowbie, I remember helping out in Realm vs Realm...I think I spent an hour making planks to rebuild something LOL. I actually looked like 6 months ago. Servers (Server?) were active.
What level are you when you tried WvW here in GW2? I have been itching to play.

And, is there a website that speaks to builds? googling as of last week gave me LAME ones.
I am SURE I am "Boinking" my tunes and want to avoid that. YES, I refuse to buy the guide book. I hear it gets medicore reviews.....
 

darkewaffle

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You can WvW whenever, I actually hear it's decent XP if you focus on points and events but I've done very little of it myself. Even without gear you can gather medals/supplies to help build the siege machines or help protect them with whatever sort of bubbles/walls/protective abilities you might have at least.

Far as builds go you can do pretty much whatever while levelling. I'd probably just go with whatever trait tree gives you that stat you get the most use out of until you hit 80 or reach the Orrian maps at least, then you can work on trying to find a more advanced gear/build combination to do what you want. You'll probably get the most use out of Power/Precision/Crit Damage for just general questing/event completion.
 

zinfamous

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Tried out WvW for the first time last night. It really reminded me of DAOC which is a good thing. But I am obviously missing the nicer gear and trait lines on my guardian. Pretty much got owned out there lol

My buddy was rolling around with an elementalist. Thinking of rolling up my warrior as a melee for WvW and a Mesmer for ranged? Opinions?

Mesmer is great for PvP. Not that I've done PvP, but from what I hear...

they can be painfully hard to kill, but for WvW, the class offers, probably, the best offensive support out of all classes. defensive support is no slouch, either. They offer a nice chunk of anti-ranged skills and traits, and stealth-generating for allies, as well as teleporting all allies around the field. Cool stuff when trying to get under the rain of arrows when seiging a wall.
 

aigomorla

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My guardian is lvl 45. Everything scales to lvl 80 in WvW.

theres a hugh difference between scaling and geared tho.

The other day i was telling people in WvW, i was spawn camping a supply depot.
For some noobish reason the same 3 guys would constantly try to retake the supply depot.

These 3 were not geared lvl80's. You could tell because they had standard armor on.
Short to say, 1 fully geared exotic lvl80 (me) completely pwned the hell out of them 3 times. They couldnt do enough damage to me collectively to kill me.

I basically didnt give them any oportunity to do anything due to the shield / mace setup i was in.

After 3 deaths they came back with 15 people, a few geared lvl80's in which i decided to run at that point.

But WvW is not balanced at all.
If your not geared, and u see a geared 80, YOU RUN, unless u have other geared 80's in your group.
 

Josh123

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theres a hugh difference between scaling and geared tho.

The other day i was telling people in WvW, i was spawn camping a supply depot.
For some noobish reason the same 3 guys would constantly try to retake the supply depot.

These 3 were not geared lvl80's. You could tell because they had standard armor on.
Short to say, 1 fully geared exotic lvl80 (me) completely pwned the hell out of them 3 times. They couldnt do enough damage to me collectively to kill me.

I basically didnt give them any oportunity to do anything due to the shield / mace setup i was in.

After 3 deaths they came back with 15 people, a few geared lvl80's in which i decided to run at that point.

But WvW is not balanced at all.
If your not geared, and u see a geared 80, YOU RUN, unless u have other geared 80's in your group.

Where and how do you get WvW gear? I still haven't stepped into WvW so I don't know much about it.
 

aigomorla

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Where and how do you get WvW gear? I still haven't stepped into WvW so I don't know much about it.

ur pve gear is your WvW gear.

So if im using a all exotics from weapon + armor + accessories, all those (+) attributes adds up.

Include the fact that im not only exotic'd geared, but fully exotic class PvP gear with toughness + vit + power.... yeah... id like to see even a lvl80 last long against me unless he's also in PvP class gear.

Basically if u see a really spikey heavy armor warrior, he will PWN the hell out of you, unless u have a heavy spikey lvl80 with you or, other PVP orientated lvl80 in the midclass or light class exotic setup backing you up.
 

zinfamous

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Basically if u see a really spikey heavy armor warrior, he will PWN the hell out of you, unless u have a heavy spikey lvl80 with you or, other PVP orientated lvl80 in the midclass or light class exotic setup backing you up.

jsut like to add that basing analysis on the players gear on the skin, is a very bad idea in this game.

If it is an exclusive exotic skin--yeah, that's obvious.

but a level 5 skin could easily be a full exotic set, due to transmutation, and your over-zealous opponent won't know until they are dead.

I'm gonna run my warrior around with transmuted gladiator gear. If I can ever bring myself to play it, again.
 

NoSoup4You

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I'm leveling my alt, up to 26 now and finding the game far more entertaining now than when I was leveling my main. This is due in large part to the fact the events no longer get zerg'ed by 70-100+ players. I often find myself dying now while playing solo and in turn waiting around for more players to show up to take down a boss. Fortunately it never takes more than a minute or two for others to show up, the brilliance of the GW2 map overlays.

I might end up an alt-aholic as a result, not because I can't stick to one character but rather because I just can't stand wasting my time in the zerg-friendly zones like Cursed Shore. I don't play this game to farm, I play to have fun and that means not standing in a massive clusterfluff spamming skills amidst a technicolor haze of particle effects. And if that means I'll never get the best loot then so be it, Guild Wars actually does this right since there's no stat differences amongst exotic gear so I won't be at a disadvantage as far as stats are concerned one I'm all exotic-ed up.
 
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Zenoth

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I'm leveling my alt, up to 26 now and finding the game far more entertaining now than when I was leveling my main. This is due in large part to the fact the events no longer get zerg'ed by 70-100+ players. I often find myself dying now while playing solo and in turn waiting around for more players to show up to take down a boss. Fortunately it never takes more than a minute or two for others to show up, the brilliance of the GW2 map overlays.

I might end up an alt-aholic as a result, not because I can't stick to one character but rather because I just can't stand wasting my time in the zerg-friendly zones like Cursed Shore. I don't play this game to farm, I play to have fun and that means not standing in a massive clusterfluff spamming skills amidst a technicolor haze of particle effects. And if that means I'll never get the best loot then so be it, Guild Wars actually does this right since there's no stat differences amongst exotic gear so I won't be at a disadvantage as far as stats are concerned one I'm all exotic-ed up.

Same for me in terms of alternate characters.

My main character (now a Thief, was a Guardian previously) is Level 51. Then I have six other characters which I like. So I split my free time to play with around one character each time I do play (sometimes two within one session). So other than my Thief I also have a Necromancer (Level 27), a Guardian (Level 40), an Engineer (Level 22), a Mesmer (Level 5) and a Ranger (Level 11). I also leveled up a Warrior for some time up to I believe Level 10 or something then deleted him to make my Guardian. And only two days ago was I finally able to grind enough Gold to use the currency exchange to buy Gems so that I could buy a new character slot (which I used to create my Mesmer).

I can't stick to one, the thing is I like them all. My World map's completion is something like 40% on my Thief (goes about in line with the Level) and it feels to me that I already have explored the equivalent of Cyrodiil ten times over and it's not even half of the game's zones (or "size" if you want to think that way). The thing is huge and there's a crap load of things to do, and I haven't seen any zones for levels above 45 as a limit so far, any zones with content or mobs of levels 50+ are still untouched and unseen territories for me. I estimate that my Thief will be Level 80 in perhaps one month from now, and that's just my Thief, and that's completely excluding actual participation in end-game or even trying to find end-game gear. I'm just talking about reaching the Level alone.

I know a lot of players "rushed" their leveling with Crafting or WvW and went to Level 80 in something like one week or even less... but that ain't for me I can't rush it. My play style demands alternate characters and exploration at my own pace of every single pixels of terrain. All Tasks, Points of Interests, Vistas, etc... I must complete (in all senses of the word) each zone I go in, it's just a reflex from the completionist that I am in games similar to this. So each time I get to any zone with any of my characters I have to complete that zone I am in before I move to any other even if I want to, I just feel uncomfortable leaving a zone before completing it.

Just taking Wayfarer Foothills for example, I remember completing that zone two times in a row with my Guardian then switched to my Engineer (also a Norn) and did that again. In fact I follow almost the same order of zones completion chronology with all my characters with the exception of a few zones which I visit a bit before or later due to different races or story-line related quests. I just know that I have enough things to do with this game for many months if not a year+, not to mention that there's more content coming on October 22nd for that Halloween update. In fact I expect another such update before my Thief gets to Level 80.
 
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I4AT

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I just finished the Weyandt's Revenge jumping puzzle, just wondering if these can be repeated or is it a once per character thing? All I found were some crappy shoulders.
 
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zinfamous

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I just finished the Weyandt's Revenge jumping puzzle, just wondering if these can be repeated or is it a once per character thing? All I found were some crappy shoulders.

You got them from a chest at the end, right? If so, I imagine the chest respawns, but is likely never worth it. You do get those "ANet points" for completion, though--so that would be the one-time-per-character credit. I think they are mostly intended for game completion purposes.
 
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