Official Athlon 64 X2 preorder/instock thread...

[Zebo]

Don't bother preordering, just wait it out.

 

[ryanv12]

Think prices will be a bit lower when they show up retail?

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

ermm...cuz AMD doesnt want the money?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Checking other forums, people won't pay the mark-up, so prices should drop closer to msrp quickly.

 

[Zebo]

Good ole AMD fans I knew I could count on them... they understand value after all.

 

[imported_Starman]

Prices will remain where they are or possibly even go up. This is not a mass market CPU so you can't factor in economies of scale. The X2 will be available in a supply equal to what estimated demand will be. If more people seek out the X2 than anticipated, costs will rise to meet the increased demand. If estimates are right on target, costs will remain the same. The only way these CPUs become less expensive for the consumer is when the supply is increased beyond demand and that is not going to happen for quite some time; you need the mass market for that type of pricing change to occur.

 

[Capt Caveman]

If enthusiasts aren't willing to pay the current mark-up, retailer's will drop their price gouging prices to msrp or they won't sell. You would be correct if retailers were able to sell all of their inventory at current prices but they will not.

For example, I purchased my Asus P5WD2 motherboard when it first came out. How many people were buying this board when dual-core cpus weren't even available? Not many. Yet, two weeks later, prices have dropped almost $40.

 

[rise]

curious as to why you think that starman as both venice and sandies have come down in short order from their original pricing. are you saying demand will be so great?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Starman
Prices will remain where they are or possibly even go up. This is not a mass market CPU so you can't factor in economies of scale. The X2 will be available in a supply equal to what estimated demand will be. If more people seek out the X2 than anticipated, costs will rise to meet the increased demand. If estimates are right on target, costs will remain the same. The only way these CPUs become less expensive for the consumer is when the supply is increased beyond demand and that is not going to happen for quite some time; you need the mass market for that type of pricing change to occur.

That's nice. I'm only paying $550 max. Gotta set limits especially on the grand champion of depreciation, the computer. After I buy it it has no where to go but down and fast.

 

[EODetroit]

IMO these pre-order prices aren't gouged. They are pretty fair. I guess that's why I pre-ordered one. I'd be surprised if the prices went down more than $30 within the next month... and for me getting the new CPU next week instead of in five weeks is worth $30.

Now in contrast, when the GeForce 6 and Radeon x800 series' came out a year ago... that was price gouging. I don't see this as being anywhere near the same.

 

[Avalon]

I'd love to get my hands on an X2. I don't need one, because I just game, but I don't care. I'm sure I could find things to use it for just to give myself an excuse to buy one.



I bet the system would feel a lot more smooth with these in, though. That would be a nice enough benefit to me on its own. I just don't have $500 at the moment.

 

[imported_Starman]

Originally posted by: rise4310
curious as to why you think that starman as both venice and sandies have come down in short order from their original pricing. are you saying demand will be so great?

Venice and San Diego CPUs are as mainstream as it gets. The amount of production on these chips far exceed what will be the case for the X2 (at least at first). The X2 is a workstation chip, not meant (at this stage) for the mass market and therefore production will be limited. When the supply of something is limited, prices remain high. The whole confusion and frustration over the X2 has arisen because it's AMD's latest and greatest technology. AMD's "regular" customers have incorrectly viewed this CPU as the next must-have simply because it's new and full of potential, but in reality it's not a good purchase for most of them. Gamers need not apply. This is a workstation chip that has the most benefit to people who'd otherwise purchase dual-processor systems. Yes, eventually popular apps and games will use dual-core, but that's far in the future and by that time AMD will be releasing less-expensive dual-core chips designed for the mass market.

 

[Zebo]

Yea don't buy it guys.. not for you..listen to starman.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

i found the first reseller in europe that offers a MT-30 for 199Euros! curios if it will work on a S754 desktop board too?
http://www.overclockers.de/produkt.php?pid=1579&kat=248

 

[ryanv12]

Well, I like the X2 solution because it's much cheaper than a comparable dual processor system. Not to mention I get flexibility in which I can still do my entertainment applications like gaming very well. I had entertained getting a dual processor system back when I made my last processor upgrade, but it didn't end up being practical since this is a multirole computer.

 

[imported_Starman]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Yea don't buy it guys.. not for you..listen to starman.

LoL :laugh:

Seriously though, it's not a wise investment at the moment for the majority of people interested in it (ie. gamers). Most would be better off waiting for the prices to fall and they'll also have more (and less expensive) dual-core options in the future. The best (and intended) market for this chip right now are those who'd otherwise be candidates for dual-processor systems (ie., those who actually use multi-threaded apps).

 

[ryanv12]

Yeah, if you're a gamer and need an upgrade now, the FX-55 is for you

 

[imported_Starman]

Originally posted by: ryanv12
Well, I like the X2 solution because it's much cheaper than a comparable dual processor system....I had entertained getting a dual processor system back when I made my last processor upgrade

Bing! You're the perfect X2 customer. I will also be buying the X2 since I researched dual processor systems and was scared away by the cost. The application I use the most, Cubase SX3, is wonderfully multi-threaded and just begging to be penetrated by some X2 salami :shocked:

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

Originally posted by: Starman

Originally posted by: Zebo
Yea don't buy it guys.. not for you..listen to starman.

LoL :laugh:

Seriously though, it's not a wise investment at the moment for the majority of people interested in it (ie. gamers). Most would be better off waiting for the prices to fall and they'll also have more (and less expensive) dual-core options in the future. The best (and intended) market for this chip right now are those who'd otherwise be candidates for dual-processor systems (ie., those who actually use multi-threaded apps).

but thats common sense. Is a SLI 6800U rig a wise investment? 850XT PE? $300 Memory sticks? Yes, for certain people, others wil jump on the train later on.
and...can somebody please start the engies of that time machines to put me into mid` 2006? Just for checking out pricings and maybe some buying...XD

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Starman

Originally posted by: ryanv12
Well, I like the X2 solution because it's much cheaper than a comparable dual processor system....I had entertained getting a dual processor system back when I made my last processor upgrade

Bing! You're the perfect X2 customer. I will also be buying the X2 since I researched dual processor systems and was scared away by the cost. The application I use the most, Cubase SX3, is wonderfully multi-threaded and just begging to be penetrated by some X2 salami :shocked:

That's a bad mental image right there!

I had investigated dual Opteron systems in the past, but they were just too expensive despite that my usage patterns would work well with them. An Athlon X2 system for over $1000 less is much more reasonable for a kid looking for a long-term system for college (hopefully this will last three or four years with only upgrades in storage and memory). Of course, the dual Opteron has the advantage of upgradability to dual dual core Opterons, but the applications I use wouldn't benefit much at all from 4 processors - especially considering the >$1000 premium for two dual cores vs. two single cores.

 

[Dacalo]

This is just what I have been waiting for. My 3 year old P4 2.66 and 9700 pro is getting a bit too slow for me, so I am looking for an upgrade.

I will end up pre-ordering for Tank Guys since they are pretty good. I was going to order from Monarch but their the motherboard I want and the processor is much higher than other vendors.

 

[davidos]

consolidated at top!

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: davidos
consolidated at top!

:beer:

I really want a 4400+ but I'm thinking maybe I should wait and see how initial overclocking results are, etc. Well, that plus I have an AGP 6800GT and I'd need to replace that too...

 

[ryanv12]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan

I had investigated dual Opteron systems in the past, but they were just too expensive despite that my usage patterns would work well with them. An Athlon X2 system for over $1000 less is much more reasonable for a kid looking for a long-term system for college (hopefully this will last three or four years with only upgrades in storage and memory). Of course, the dual Opteron has the advantage of upgradability to dual dual core Opterons, but the applications I use wouldn't benefit much at all from 4 processors - especially considering the >$1000 premium for two dual cores vs. two single cores.

Yeah, it sounds good to me. I'm actually starting graduate school next year (Fall 2006) and I find it highly doubtful that I'll be able to work as much as I do now as an undergraduate, so I'm shooting for this dual core solution to last me till at least the end of that. My 3.2c is getting tired already...time to retire the poor guy!

 

[bjc112]

I'd love to get my hands on an X2. I don't need one, because I just game, but I don't care. I'm sure I could find things to use it for just to give myself an excuse to buy one.

Me too..

But I think I will find something to use it for as well..

I am really interested in a 2ghz dual core.. even with 512K for around $300 or so...