*OFFICIAL* ATI Radeon X800 PRO & XT Review Thread

[biostud]

Sweet mama, PS3.0 better be good, or nvidia looses another round in the High-End.

 

[Dman877]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
If you factor in the power and single slot, it looks like ATI has done it again.

Looks kinda even to me. Some reviews show a big advantage for ATI, some show a back-and-forth battle. Of course the trends of the past are evident, nvidia wins mostly older titles while ati does better in newer stuff (which is usually where it counts since older games are a walk-in-the-park for both of these new chips). What'll be interesting to me is when we see some newer drivers and production X800Pro vs 6800GT benchs. It seems every review site used 4xaa/8xaf (or some variant) too and I never use either one of those.

 

[LTC8K6]

Ultra extreme still not enough for Nvidia? From FS article:


"It certainly looks like the GeForce 6800 Ultra Extreme is NVIDIA?s direct response to the RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition. How successful is the Extreme board at dethroning ATI?s latest flagship board? To us, the results are at best, mixed.

Where NVIDIA?s GeForce 6800 Ultra architecture already takes the performance crown over ATI X800 XT Platinum Edition, the advantage only increases with the 6800 Ultra Extreme board. And when NVIDIA falls behind the RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition, the end result doesn?t change any: the NVIDIA board still loses to the ATI high-end card, only the margins are a little narrower. Is this really worth the time and expense of developing an entirely new limited-edition SKU?"

 

[Reliant]

Originally posted by: Dman877
Anyone live near a best buy? I wonder if they have the X800Pro yet...

I hope so, this GF2 isn't cutting it anymore!

 

[GTaudiophile]

TR'S Conclusion:


The Radeon X800 series cards perform best in some of our most intensive benchmarks based on newer games or requiring lots of pixel shading power, including Far Cry, Painkiller, UT2004, and 3DMark03's Mother Nature scene?especially high resolutions with edge and texture antialiasing enabled. The X800s also have superior edge antialiasing. Their 6X multisampling mode reduces edge jaggies better than NVIDIA's 8xS mode, and temporal antialiasing only underlines ATI's leadership here. With a single-slot cooler, one power connector, and fairly reasonable power requirements, the Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition offers all its power with less inconvenience than NVIDIA's GeForce 6800 Ultra. What's more, ATI's X800 series will be in stores first, with a more mature driver than NVIDIA currently has for the GeForce 6800 line.

 

[Dman877]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Ultra extreme still not enough for Nvidia? From FS article:


"It certainly looks like the GeForce 6800 Ultra Extreme is NVIDIA?s direct response to the RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition. How successful is the Extreme board at dethroning ATI?s latest flagship board? To us, the results are at best, mixed.

Where NVIDIA?s GeForce 6800 Ultra architecture already takes the performance crown over ATI X800 XT Platinum Edition, the advantage only increases with the 6800 Ultra Extreme board. And when NVIDIA falls behind the RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition, the end result doesn?t change any: the NVIDIA board still loses to the ATI high-end card, only the margins are a little narrower. Is this really worth the time and expense of developing an entirely new limited-edition SKU?"

It looks like both companies tried to max out their clocks. Overclocking on both high-end chips was virtually nill (17mhz for the X800XT, 25 mhz for 6800UE). Now if only they would compete by bottoming out on price .

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
From the TR Review

Note some details in the pictures above. The cooler is a single-slot design for both cards. Both the X800 Pro and XT Platinum Edition require only one aux power connector, and they should work with any decent 300W power supply unit. In fact, one of the ATI engineers brought an X800-equipped Shuttle XPC to the X800 launch event, just to show it was possible to use the card in it.

That does it!! Forget NVIDIA with their twin power/dual slot hijinks. ATI all the way this round!! (as it was last round).

And with their superior FSAA, it's a done deal. NVIDIA who??

Superior fsaa?

 

[LTC8K6]

That's why I said the single slot and single power connector could be the difference, Dman.

I am not paying $400 for a card and then not using AA/AF. No way.

Both of the cards will probably improve with new drivers.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: MDE

Originally posted by: Dman877
Anyone live near a best buy? I wonder if they have the X800Pro yet...

Calm down, BB isn't even open yet.

Damn dude. All he asked is if anyone had a BB near them.

From HardOCP:

The X800Pro should be selling in major retail online outlets today, May 4th, and selling for an MSRP of $399. The X800XT Platinum Edition will begin shipping to retailers by May 21st and will be sold at an MSRP of $499. As usual, those MSRP prices will deflate somewhat quickly if the supply is available that ATI assures us there is.

Who'se waiting for the GF6800U GT-2?

may21st, eh?



Looks like i may not be shifting brands after-all . . . the 'xt PE' "release-timing" was a brilliant stroke by ati. . . .

and thanks to GTA for making a Part Deux to his thread.

 

[Dman877]

Toms

 

[Brian48]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
If you factor in the power and single slot, it looks like ATI has done it again.

Yeah, that's another good point. Nice that they were able to get this card to run with LESS juice than the 9800xt. Saves me the trouble of having to get a new PSU as well. This alone would probably weigh me towards the ATI.

Then again, I'm really happy with my current 9800Pro, 9700Pro, and 9700non-pro right now to be overly excited about these cards. Heck, to be honest, I'm still happy with the performance I'm getting with my 128mb R8500. What I'm really waiting for is an opportunity to upgrade to an AMD64 as soon as I find a decent motherboard that I like (which I haven't found yet, but that's another story :roll: )

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
From the TR Review

Note some details in the pictures above. The cooler is a single-slot design for both cards. Both the X800 Pro and XT Platinum Edition require only one aux power connector, and they should work with any decent 300W power supply unit. In fact, one of the ATI engineers brought an X800-equipped Shuttle XPC to the X800 launch event, just to show it was possible to use the card in it.

That does it!! Forget NVIDIA with their twin power/dual slot hijinks. ATI all the way this round!! (as it was last round).

And with their superior FSAA, it's a done deal. NVIDIA who??

Superior fsaa?

Again, I quote the TR conclusion:

The Radeon X800 series cards perform best in some of our most intensive benchmarks based on newer games or requiring lots of pixel shading power, including Far Cry, Painkiller, UT2004, and 3DMark03's Mother Nature scene?especially high resolutions with edge and texture antialiasing enabled. The X800s also have superior edge antialiasing. Their 6X multisampling mode reduces edge jaggies better than NVIDIA's 8xS mode, and temporal antialiasing only underlines ATI's leadership here. With a single-slot cooler, one power connector, and fairly reasonable power requirements, the Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition offers all its power with less inconvenience than NVIDIA's GeForce 6800 Ultra. What's more, ATI's X800 series will be in stores first, with a more mature driver than NVIDIA currently has for the GeForce 6800 line.

 

[Dman877]

Looks like ati owns af, nv owns aa too. The performance dif in ogl games is pretty large, hopefully ati can do something in their drivers to close the gap, D3 is gonna be big and I'm sure a lot of games will use thier that engine.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Dman877
Looks like ati owns af, nv owns aa too. The performance dif in ogl games is pretty large, hopefully ati can do something in their drivers to close the gap, D3 is gonna be big and I'm sure a lot of games will use thier that engine.

D3D is more popular than OGL anyway. The only thing big coming out in OGL is Doom3 AFAIK.

 

[jfall]

Wow, hats off to both Nvidia and ATI, they did an excellent job.

It would be a tough decision for me if I had to pick between the two. Nvidia generally has better drivers, and superior OGL support. A lot of the next gen games are going to be using the Doom3 engine, so Nvidia may have an advantage there. I like how ATI only has one molex, power requirements are lower and it appears to have better AF. Further card and driver revisions will keep the battle going for a while. I really don't think you can lose with either card

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: jfall
Wow, hats off to both Nvidia and ATI, they did an excellent job.

It would be a tough decision for me if I had to pick between the two. Nvidia generally has better drivers, and superior OGL support. A lot of the next gen games are going to be using the Doom3 engine, so Nvidia may have an advantage there. I like how ATI only has one molex, power requirements are lower and it appears to have better AF. Further card and driver revisions will keep the battle going for a while. I really don't think you can lose with either card

By the time Doom3 gets here, ATI and NVIDIA will probably already be loading their refreshes of R420 and NV40

 

[MemberSince97]

ATI Has thier Demos up ATI DEMOS

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
From the TR Review

Note some details in the pictures above. The cooler is a single-slot design for both cards. Both the X800 Pro and XT Platinum Edition require only one aux power connector, and they should work with any decent 300W power supply unit. In fact, one of the ATI engineers brought an X800-equipped Shuttle XPC to the X800 launch event, just to show it was possible to use the card in it.

That does it!! Forget NVIDIA with their twin power/dual slot hijinks. ATI all the way this round!! (as it was last round).

And with their superior FSAA, it's a done deal. NVIDIA who??

Superior fsaa?

Again, I quote the TR conclusion:

The Radeon X800 series cards perform best in some of our most intensive benchmarks based on newer games or requiring lots of pixel shading power, including Far Cry, Painkiller, UT2004, and 3DMark03's Mother Nature scene?especially high resolutions with edge and texture antialiasing enabled. The X800s also have superior edge antialiasing. Their 6X multisampling mode reduces edge jaggies better than NVIDIA's 8xS mode, and temporal antialiasing only underlines ATI's leadership here. With a single-slot cooler, one power connector, and fairly reasonable power requirements, the Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition offers all its power with less inconvenience than NVIDIA's GeForce 6800 Ultra. What's more, ATI's X800 series will be in stores first, with a more mature driver than NVIDIA currently has for the GeForce 6800 line.

Of course it looks better with 6x MSAA... but nvidia has 6x MSAA with a 9 tap blur filter now, or did they just forget to use it?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Dman877
Looks like ati owns af, nv owns aa too. The performance dif in ogl games is pretty large, hopefully ati can do something in their drivers to close the gap, D3 is gonna be big and I'm sure a lot of games will use thier that engine.

D3D is more popular than OGL anyway. The only thing big coming out in OGL is Doom3 AFAIK.

And the 40 other games based on its engine in the future Quake 4 anyone?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Dman877
Looks like ati owns af, nv owns aa too. The performance dif in ogl games is pretty large, hopefully ati can do something in their drivers to close the gap, D3 is gonna be big and I'm sure a lot of games will use thier that engine.

D3D is more popular than OGL anyway. The only thing big coming out in OGL is Doom3 AFAIK.

And the 40 other games based on its engine in the future Quake 4 anyone?

I'll say it again...

By the time Doom3 gets here, ATI and NVIDIA will probably already be loading their refreshes of R420 and NV40

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: MemberSince97
ATI Has thier Demos up ATI DEMOS

Where's the nude patch already???

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Dman877
Looks like ati owns af, nv owns aa too. The performance dif in ogl games is pretty large, hopefully ati can do something in their drivers to close the gap, D3 is gonna be big and I'm sure a lot of games will use thier that engine.

D3D is more popular than OGL anyway. The only thing big coming out in OGL is Doom3 AFAIK.

And the 40 other games based on its engine in the future Quake 4 anyone?

I'll say it again...

By the time Doom3 gets here, ATI and NVIDIA will probably already be loading their refreshes of R420 and NV40

Ahh so we should upgrade every 6 months :shocked:

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Dman877
Looks like ati owns af, nv owns aa too. The performance dif in ogl games is pretty large, hopefully ati can do something in their drivers to close the gap, D3 is gonna be big and I'm sure a lot of games will use thier that engine.

D3D is more popular than OGL anyway. The only thing big coming out in OGL is Doom3 AFAIK.

And the 40 other games based on its engine in the future Quake 4 anyone?

I'll say it again...

By the time Doom3 gets here, ATI and NVIDIA will probably already be loading their refreshes of R420 and NV40

Ahh so we should upgrade every 6 months :shocked:

I do

 

[GTaudiophile]

BTW, after watching that Ruby demo movie...

Nalu's flipper is toast!

 

[KpocAlypse]

Dude, and by the time we see a Quake 4, We will all be running Duel Core Opterons or Tejas chips with R500 stuck in the PCI-E slot. Granted, Q4 could be a black as night project, and released next week..

And that being all said, this makes me sad that i'm sitting on a 1.7 Willamette.. R420/NV40? no matter, new patch old quilt..*sniff*

Must resist... not buy more PC parts..Save for '05 stang......