*OFFICIAL* ATI Radeon X800 PRO & XT Review Thread

[KillaKilla]

Why is everyone griping about size issues? Does anyone use that PCI slot below the AGP anyway?
Really.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Nebor
Looks like I can safely return to Nvidia video cards. Good to see they're so even.

Have fun with your 480W PSU

have fun with your PS2 only card while i am playing farcry and stalker in PS3

 

[Acanthus]

The only people who can really complain about the size of the card or cooling solution are Micro ATX or SFF users.

Most people use 2 or less PCI slots nowadays.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: KillaKilla
Why is everyone griping about size issues? Does anyone use that PCI slot below the AGP anyway?
Really.

You're forgetting microATX and SFF.

 

[JBT]

I'm not sure whye everyone is complain about the NV Cards PSU requirements. So ffar in all the reviews I have seen the 480 watt suggestion is really high... the GT version I have seen ran perfectly fine on a 350 watt...

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Nebor
Looks like I can safely return to Nvidia video cards. Good to see they're so even.

Have fun with your 480W PSU

have fun with your PS2 only card while i am playing farcry and stalker in PS3

True, you might have higher framerates, but I bet the games will look the same.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Nebor
Looks like I can safely return to Nvidia video cards. Good to see they're so even.

Have fun with your 480W PSU

have fun with your PS2 only card while i am playing farcry and stalker in PS3

True, you might have higher framerates, but I bet the games will look the same.

Thats pretty much what its going to come down to, speed differences on games that use long shader instructions for effects. (Currently most PS2.0 are small shaders that are executed in a single pass anyway)

In the future where shader length can increase dramatically, it may be the difference between playable and unplayable (this is over a year off easy). Extremely long shaders for water and lighting, and long shaders for displacement maps can be a huge difference between 2.0 and 3.0. Because 2.0 will take many more passes to render the same effect.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: JBT
I'm not sure whye everyone is complain about the NV Cards PSU requirements. So ffar in all the reviews I have seen the 480 watt suggestion is really high... the GT version I have seen ran perfectly fine on a 350 watt...

Yea but for how long could it keep that up.

 

[Acanthus]

One site even tested the 6800U in a shuttle SFF system on 220w and it ran fine.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: JBT
I'm not sure whye everyone is complain about the NV Cards PSU requirements. So ffar in all the reviews I have seen the 480 watt suggestion is really high... the GT version I have seen ran perfectly fine on a 350 watt...

Two power leads
Heat
Two slots (not an issue for me, but it may be to some others)

I'll stick with ATI...and I should still be able to use my Zalman ZM80 fanless heatsink on it. The 6800U would self destruct if I used that unit

 

[Acanthus]

Retracted

 

[Dulanic]

Good to see everyone fighting over the basic crap.... their both VERY good cards with GREAT performance, ATi wins some, Nvidia wins some. I think the only way Ill beable to determine which one is better to me is cost, MSRP is great, but I want to see what the actual cost will run me.

 

[LTC8K6]

Will shader instruction length really matter since R420 is much better in that area than R3XX was?

ATI's X800 specs

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Nebor
Looks like I can safely return to Nvidia video cards. Good to see they're so even.

Have fun with your 480W PSU

have fun with your PS2 only card while i am playing farcry and stalker in PS3

True, you might have higher framerates, but I bet the games will look the same.

Thats pretty much what its going to come down to, speed differences on games that use long shader instructions for effects. (Currently most PS2.0 are small shaders that are executed in a single pass anyway)

In the future where shader length can increase dramatically, it may be the difference between playable and unplayable (this is over a year off easy). Extremely long shaders for water and lighting, and long shaders for displacement maps can be a huge difference between 2.0 and 3.0. Because 2.0 will take many more passes to render the same effect.

When exactly will be the future my friend? Of course many titles will use ps3 in the near future but will they be extremely different and complicated? I don't think so. So if you're reffering to the far future then thanks but I'll wait for the future cards.

 

[XBoxLPU]

From AT:

The bottom line is that R420 has the potential to execute more PS 2.0 instructions per clock than NVIDIA in the pixel pipeline because of the way it handles texturing. Even though NVIDIA's scheduler can help to allow more math to be done in parallel with texturing, NV40's texture and math parallelism only approaches that of ATI. Combine that with the fact that R420 runs at a higher clock speed than NV40, and even more pixel shader work can get done in the same amount of time on R420 (which translates into the possibility for frames being rendered faster under the right conditions).

:Q

 

[XBoxLPU]

X800 Demos

 

[Corporate Thug]

the 6800 GT looks really good, accord to firing squad benchies, it performs better than the 6800 ultra platinum when overclocked and is a single slot solution

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Nebor
Looks like I can safely return to Nvidia video cards. Good to see they're so even.

Have fun with your 480W PSU

have fun with your PS2 only card while i am playing farcry and stalker in PS3

True, you might have higher framerates, but I bet the games will look the same.

Thats pretty much what its going to come down to, speed differences on games that use long shader instructions for effects. (Currently most PS2.0 are small shaders that are executed in a single pass anyway)

In the future where shader length can increase dramatically, it may be the difference between playable and unplayable (this is over a year off easy). Extremely long shaders for water and lighting, and long shaders for displacement maps can be a huge difference between 2.0 and 3.0. Because 2.0 will take many more passes to render the same effect.

When exactly will be the future my friend? Of course many titles will use ps3 in the near future but will they be extremely different and complicated? I don't think so. So if you're reffering to the far future then thanks but I'll wait for the future cards.

Reading comprehension.

 

[MemberSince97]

Originally posted by: shady06
the 6800 GT looks really good, accord to firing squad benchies, it performs better than the 6800 ultra platinum when overclocked and is a single slot solution

Si, that looks pretty decent

:wine:

 

[BoomAM]

Interesting.
Unless the SM3.0 vs SM2.0 scenario gets really significant in games, which i highly doubt it ever can from what ive read of the techs, then it seems that ATI, for the second generation running, produced a card thats faster than the competitions, uses less power, dissipates less heat, and is compatible with more systems. A card thats been very well designed from all angles.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Nebor
Looks like I can safely return to Nvidia video cards. Good to see they're so even.

Have fun with your 480W PSU

have fun with your PS2 only card while i am playing farcry and stalker in PS3

True, you might have higher framerates, but I bet the games will look the same.

Thats pretty much what its going to come down to, speed differences on games that use long shader instructions for effects. (Currently most PS2.0 are small shaders that are executed in a single pass anyway)

In the future where shader length can increase dramatically, it may be the difference between playable and unplayable (this is over a year off easy). Extremely long shaders for water and lighting, and long shaders for displacement maps can be a huge difference between 2.0 and 3.0. Because 2.0 will take many more passes to render the same effect.

When exactly will be the future my friend? Of course many titles will use ps3 in the near future but will they be extremely different and complicated? I don't think so. So if you're reffering to the far future then thanks but I'll wait for the future cards.

Reading comprehension.

Yes I'm a foreigner so I apologise for this. Ok let's make it clearer.

Do you really believe that all these ps3 titles that are supposed to come out , will differ in terms of shader complexity and length? And if yes, do you think that this will happen in the near future?

ATI had the CLEAR advantage with ps2 in the past , yet developers didn't even use ps2 shaders in the vast majority of games, as you Nvidia owners claimed.
Do you think because PS3 is easier to be programmed,that they will use extremely long shaders right now? I don't think so. Maybe you will be surprised if you see 6800 performance, if there's a single game that takes REAL ADVANTAGE OF PS3 in terms of IQ
And if ps2 IQ is almost identical with ps3 for now, and ATI has a performance lead why would I go with Nvidia?

For futureproofness? Thanks, but until REAL PS3 shaders are utilized I prefer X800XT. In the future we will see. New cards will be here.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Interesting.
Unless the SM3.0 vs SM2.0 scenario gets really significant in games, which i highly doubt it ever can from what ive read of the techs, then it seems that ATI, for the second generation running, produced a card thats faster than the competitions, uses less power, dissipates less heat, and is compatible with more systems. A card thats been very well designed from all angles.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FINALLY A SMART REPLY.
But warning don't say much about NVIDIA. YOU MIGHT BE ACCUSED OF FANBOYISM.

:beer:

 

[Storm]

Good to see its a pretty even battle...

I wonder what kind of 3rd party video encoding applications will be created for the nvidia card... Or will nvidia package something nice with the card?

Heh I wouldnt mind dropped five benjamins for an x800 XT card... since Im kind due for a total upgrade.

p3 700, geforce ddr, 256 megs of RAM.

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Interesting.
Unless the SM3.0 vs SM2.0 scenario gets really significant in games, which i highly doubt it ever can from what ive read of the techs, then it seems that ATI, for the second generation running, produced a card thats faster than the competitions, uses less power, dissipates less heat, and is compatible with more systems. A card thats been very well designed from all angles.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FINALLY A SMART REPLY.
But warning don't say much about NVIDIA. YOU MIGHT BE ACCUSED OF FANBOYISM.

:beer:

Why thank you!
Fanboyism i cannot be accused of. Ive only ever owned 1 ATI card, all of my previous cards have been nVidia/S3 cards.
To continue;
The 6800U is still a good card, its fixed the nV30s problems, ie; the PS performance. But for the forseeable year at least, the X800s seem the better card.
Dont get me wrong, neither, appear to be bad choices, unlike the FX vs 9x00 debates, there is no clear cut winner. Both have their merits. nVidia being features, ATI being speed. And i think that this generation will be down to personal preference only, with very little in terms of real world gains seperating them.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
BTW, after watching that Ruby demo movie...

Nalu's flipper is toast!

i just watched it, it did not impress me much after seeing individual strands of hair move in water(plus the ATI demo was very cheesy)

"we will meet again my dear ruby!"
*overly dramatic music plays*

ROFL!!!

i guess i will be playing farcry, stalker, battle for middle earth...etc. in PS3 with superior framerates and image quality while the ATI fanboys console themselves with the fact they only have to use one molex connector...