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Gibsons

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Aug 14, 2001
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*snort*

I'd put Michigan State up against any team in the NCAA right now, and I'd be surprised if the odds makers put them down more than 3 points.

State lost their only game early in the season, when they still hadn't even picked a quarterback. Even then, that loss required FIVE pass interference calls. Even the Fighting Irish fans admitted it was BS.

Ohio state didn't get revealed as a fraud. They got beat by a team that just hit its stride a couple weeks ago, has the #1 defense in the country, and should be rated in the top 5 by the end of the year.

What's the best offense MSU played, before yesterday?
 

Fern

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Sep 30, 2003
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I'm from FSU and wanted us to play Bama, but it wasn't meant to be. Second choice was OSU, would have fun to beat Urban. beyond that I don't care much, but I'm OK with Auburn.

I think Auburn is too one dimensional on offense to get by FSU. FSU has a stable of good D-linemen, they'll be able rotate effectively throughout the game. I would also expect to see FSU use man coverage and stack the box and dare Nick Marshall to pass. Then there's the corner blitzes from Joyner et al.

I have no idea WTH Mizzou was thinking with that porous 3 man defensive front. It clearly wasn't working, but they stuck with it. Maybe some Dline were injured?

Should be a good game.

Fern
 

Gibsons

Lifer
Aug 14, 2001
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I'm from FSU and wanted us to play Bama, but it wasn't meant to be. Second choice was OSU, would have fun to beat Urban. beyond that I don't care much, but I'm OK with Auburn.

I think Auburn is too one dimensional on offense to get by FSU. FSU has a stable of good D-linemen, they'll be able rotate effectively throughout the game. I would also expect to see FSU use man coverage and stack the box and dare Nick Marshall to pass. Then there's the corner blitzes from Joyner et al.

I have no idea WTH Mizzou was thinking with that porous 3 man defensive front. It clearly wasn't working, but they stuck with it. Maybe some Dline were injured?

Should be a good game.

Fern

That three man front was a disaster indeed.

I don't think FSU will stop Auburn's running game, I don't think anyone can at this point. On the other hand, Jameis and company are quite capable of just outscoring them.

Wish we didn't have to wait so long for the game, both teams are playing really well right now.
 

sactoking

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Sep 24, 2007
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Michigan State was the first top-15 team Ohio State played in 2 years. The vaunted Ohio State 24 game win streak was against the like of San Diego State, Alabama- Birmingham, Miami of Ohio, and Florida A&M. When Ohio State played a game against a legitimate team they lost. Yes, frauds.
 

sciencewhiz

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I'd put Michigan State up against any team in the NCAA right now, and I'd be surprised if the odds makers put them down more than 3 points.

Sagarin has FSU a 14 point favorite over MSU. For contrast, he has FSU as a 5 point favorite over Alabama and 13 point favorite over Auburn. He has Stanford as a 7 point favorite over MSU.
 

Gibsons

Lifer
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Thought this was interesting. The line moved from about 8.5 to 10.5 last night. Supposedly this is why:

The point spread on the National Championship Game got popped Sunday.

It happened in Las Vegas and offshore during a three-hour flurry of action on Florida State that caused the line to move two points and prompted speculation that the biggest of bettors was involved.

Cantor Gaming, which operates multiple Vegas sports books and caters to some of the biggest players in town, took an influential bet on the Florida State money line Sunday morning and took another significant play on Florida State -8.5 around 11 a.m. PT. By 5 p.m., Florida State was a 10-point favorite, live odds archives show.

At the same time, a similar move was taking place at the MGM Mirage, which, like Cantor, is known to offer some of the highest limits to select players.

“There, right now, we just took another bet from a sharp on Florida State that made us move to 9.5,” said Jay Rood, MGM Vice President of Race and Sports, in an 11 a.m. PT phone interview Sunday.

Soon after, every Vegas book had made Florida State a double-digit favorite.

Meanwhile, the offshore market also was on the move. BetCris.com is considered to have the most influential clients of the offshore books. BetCris sets and moves the U.S. betting market. In the past five days at BetCris, Florida State has grown from an 8.5-point favorite to now giving 10.5 as of Monday afternoon.

Public Pete isn’t forcing a prominent book like BetCris to move its line through a key number like 10. In fact, multiple industry sources said only one man could cause that kind of move – Vegas mega-pro Billy Walters.

Walters is a reclusive businessman who owns golf courses and car dealerships around the U.S. He’s also the most influential U.S. sports bettor, who says he prefers to bet at Cantor and the MGM Mirage in Vegas. His action—and possibly only his action–can cause the kind of line movement we saw Sunday.

Walters, however, also has been known to place bets to influence the market in a certain direction, before coming back with more money on the other side after the point spread moves. Is this one of those times? Few, other than Walters himself, truly know, but the way the point spread on tonight’s game moves leading up to kickoff will be telling.

Professional money was expected on FSU

The LVH SuperBook, William Hill and MGM were expecting professional money to show up on the Seminoles, mostly because high-level power ratings and computer models used by oddsmakers had Florida State as high as a 13-point favorite.

“The deeper we got into and the models I was looking at, I could see that it was definitely going to go up at some point. The question was when,” said LVH head oddsmaker Ed Salmons.

Nick Bogdanovich, sports book director at William Hill, said the two consultants he uses both made Florida State a much larger favorite than 8 or 9.

“I had a feeling that eventually that it would go up,” said Bogdanovich. “I guess they picked yesterday to do it. We’re sitting at 10 ½, but actually there’s plenty of money on both sides, even though the wise guys moved it up pretty good.”

Bogdanovich said, even though his money is pretty even on the game, that he chose to move his number out of respect.

“When they bet it, you have to respect it,” Bogdanovich. “There’s a reason why there are professionals.

Salmons, a college football specialist, said he personally bet Florida State.

“I laid the 8,” said Salmons. “The computer simulation that we used had it at 16. So we were just waiting to see how low we thought it go, and then we played it.”

Vegas bookmakers are allowed to place wagers on games at other Nevada sports books.

The book, however, is rooting for the Seminoles to win, but not cover, due to liability on the Auburn futures bets. The LVH took 14 “$5 and $10” bets on Auburn to win the national championship at 1,000-to-1 from January to June. The book also took a $500 bet on the Tigers at 200-to-1 in August, creating enough liability on Auburn that it forced the LVH to open the point spread on the National Championship Game below the market. The LVH opened Florida State as a 7.5-point favorite, while the majority of shops began with the Seminoles as 8.5- to 9-point favorites.

“We tried to manage our liability (on Auburn) the best we could,” said Salmons. “Then, at some point, we just started booking the game.”

Salmons said at 11 a.m. PT that there were 30 more bets on Florida State than Auburn, but there was two times more money on the Seminoles.

Note: Bogdanovich estimates that the BCS title game will generate approximately 1/10th the amount of betting action that the Super Bowl does.

http://www.bettingtalk.com/auburn-f...wo-points-leading-national-championship-game/
 

mect

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Jan 5, 2004
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Seems like every year one of the team shows up looking like they haven't played for 4 weeks.
 

Via

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Jan 14, 2009
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Have to give a ton of credit to Auburn so far.

I did not expect them to dominate so completely on both sides of the ball. The previous Auburn coach has to be the worst coach ever to screw up that kind of talent.
 

Ferzerp

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I wasn't expecting a repeat of Alabama-Notre Dame but I'll take it. Looks like the polls and computers really failed on picking the SEC's opponent for the title again this year.
 

Via

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One thing is for sure - barring a miracle turnaround all that talk about Winston being the undisputed #1 pick next year can simmer down now.

Facing NFL level speed is wilting him completely. He looks slow and uncertain.
 

Fingolfin269

Lifer
Feb 28, 2003
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Wow ugly drive by FSU but it results in 6. Wonder if they can finally settle in on offense but ultimately they need to figure out how to stop Auburn's offense while they're at it.
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
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Darn, Auburn is playing well tonight. If they keep playing like this, FSU will need a miracle.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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FSU had some really silly game plan. Then proceeded to execute it horribly. This game is over.
 
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