Official Avail. Nov 13th - Android 4.2 - LG Nexus 4 - Asus Nexus 7 - Samsung Nexus 10

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3569688/why-nexus-4-does-not-have-4g-lte

The reason why it doesn't have LTE. It's definitely a good explanation that makes sense. We wouldn't have been able to get the phone that cheap if it did and the carriers have been screwing up the Nexus phones so this means Google has 100% total control of the phone. People were complaining about why Verizon or Sprint versions took long to get updates, all the carriers fault.

The iPhone has international LTE bands. You can still sell them with LTE unlocked you know. Nothing REQUIRES you to sell through carrier.

Also pretty disappointed with 8gb/16gb. Forget the pricing for a sec. Does that mean you can release a single core Nexus for $50 and we'd all be happy? No.

When was the last time 8gb/16gb was used on the iPhone? 3GS? The iPhone 4 didn't have it, and nor did the 4S. Apple did later release the 8GB as a budget model.

I'm fine with an 8gb dirt cheap model, but you should AT BARE MINIMUM offer a 16/32gb option. Let's look at the SGS1. 8gb/16gb. This was back when Google didn't put much onboard storage (look at the Nexus One and Motorola Droid. They emphasized SD Card). SGS2 came in 16/32gb. SGS3 came in 16/32gb. This was on top of the fact that you can put a microSD card in. So the new Nexus topping out at 16gb is a shame.

 

[bearxor]

The iPhone has international LTE bands. You can still sell them with LTE unlocked you know. Nothing REQUIRES you to sell through carrier.

The iPhone doesn't have one model that is compatible with every LTE network.

For the unlocked version, I see the value in avoiding LTE. HSPA+ is plenty fast enough for the majority of people's use.

Still wondering if we'll see this on a carrier in the states with LTE.

 

[TheStu]

Kind of wishing that when they said that it was a Nexus 4 that it would have been, I don't know closer to 4" than 5", but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Unlocked flagship device like that for that price, would have been nice to look into since I hear that Jellybean is pretty great.

 

[zerocool84]

The iPhone has international LTE bands. You can still sell them with LTE unlocked you know. Nothing REQUIRES you to sell through carrier.

It's explained in the article but them supporting LTE bands here in the US means they'd have to support closed CDMA and we know how that turns out. Them selling it as LTE globally only not have LTE here would drive people mad. The carriers want so much control over the phones. No one has the power Apple has over carriers.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

The iPhone doesn't have one model that is compatible with every LTE network.

For the unlocked version, I see the value in avoiding LTE. HSPA+ is plenty fast enough for the majority of people's use.

Still wondering if we'll see this on a carrier in the states with LTE.

It's not but that's because of the stupid US carriers. I see this phone like the i9100 SGS2 or i9300 SGS3. They're international models. They should work worldwide where unlocked phones work, and this means LTE Band 1. If it so happens to work wtih Verizon or AT&T, then fine. The LTE iPhone 5 for Verizon works on VZW AND worldwide.

It's explained in the article but them supporting LTE bands here in the US means they'd have to support closed CDMA and we know how that turns out. Them selling it as LTE globally only not have LTE here would drive people mad. The carriers want so much control over the phones. No one has the power Apple has over carriers.

You're not looking at it logically. You can add intl LTE like the iPhone 5 does. You don't have to support CDMA. And even if your phone does, SO WHAT? It's not any worse than it is currently, and even if VZW doesn't want to carry it, so what? This phone works on AT&T, but we aren't waiting for them to carry it. There's nothing that states the minute you add an LTE chip, carriers need to be involved. I see global LTE frequencies just like 3G frequencies. If they have global 3G, they should have global 4G. Whether they cater to US bands or not is up to them, but the inclusion doesn't hurt. If it means having to choose between an AT&T, Verizon/Sprint, and international model like the iPhone 5, I'd like them to at least pick a international band version.

Furthermore, selling it as LTE globally and not having it LTE would drive people mad? So? That's the US' fault. And that doesn't make life for people here any worse than it already is. Apple has power but it's a different kind of power. They haven't been trying to sell contract free handsets actively. You can buy unlocked iPhones, but it's not their primary market.

 

[jpeyton]

I'm putting my GS3 on Craigslist next week and ordering a Nexus 4.

To clarify, the GS3 isn't lacking in any area, but it will be a zero-dollar upgrade since the Nexus 4 is only $299/$349. Even 8GB is plenty for me, but I'll get the 16GB just in case (I'm only using 2GB on my GS3). Everything is on the cloud. No need for LTE since I'm paying $45/month with Straight Talk.

 

[ponyo]

You want unlocked 32gb LTE model? Apple will be glad to sell you $750 iPhone 5 next month. I'm thankful Google didn't include LTE and delay the phone and bump up the price to $450-500.

 

[techpun]

with cloud storage ..the size shouldn't make a issue.. unless you like having your music collection or vid collection on the go.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

You want unlocked 32gb LTE model? Apple will be glad to sell you $750 iPhone 5 next month. I'm thankful Google didn't include LTE and delay the phone and bump up the price to $450-500.

Okay, is the inclusion of LTE going to bump the phone up $100? Is that something people are just saying as an excuse for a phone lacking LTE or is this a true statement? Because these baseband chips are a few $ at most in difference.

with cloud storage ..the size shouldn't make a issue.. unless you like having your music collection or vid collection on the go.

If you sit on wifi 24/7 sure. If you're on data? Problem. 4G would mitigate it, but with bandwith limits? These new phones have 1080p video and high resolution cameras. Panoramic features add to consumption of space too. I take my SGS2 to concerts and I take dozens of photos and a few videos. I filled up my 16gb onboard storage in no time in one night (well admittedly I had some ROM and basic phone stuff, so maybe it was like using 8GB or so). But the point remains that without additional storage, it's not too hard to gobble up space on these phones.

And once again, if people like to fault Apple for nonremovable storage and then being conservative in providing space, THIS is a clear case in point where Google's doing the same but providing even less.

 

[ponyo]

Okay, is the inclusion of LTE going to bump the phone up $100? Is that something people are just saying as an excuse for a phone lacking LTE or is this a true statement? Because these baseband chips are a few $ at most in difference.

Look, you whine about everything. LTE would've added cost and likely delay. We know you would've whined about it. You didn't care about LTE before but now you want to whine because they left it out. None of this is a surprise. Have fun with your iPhone 5. At least it has the LTE you wanted.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Look, you whine about everything. LTE would've added cost and likely delay. We know you would've whined about it. You didn't care about LTE before but now you want to whine because they left it out. None of this is a surprise. Have fun with your iPhone 5. At least it has the LTE you wanted.

LOL okay. If it doesn't have LTE for Verizon or AT&T, I understand why. That's why I don't care about those, because by inclusion of LTE for any carrier on the US, that typically means they have to sell it with a carrier contract. I understand Google's unwillingness to do that. But international LTE? Can you please give me a reasonable explanation why that can't be done? I could make the argument that they should've just done 2G EDGE and not had 3G HSPA. If they're selling it as an international phone, then they can try to include international bands. For some reason to you that means 4G is undoable.

Added cost and likely delay. According to who? Was there an issue putting LTE on this phone? Once again, I cite the iPhone. Is there some reason Apple can pull it off but LG cannot? There are tons of other LTE phones out there. Honestly, why I'm annoyed is because the apologists are out in force.

If Apple released an 8GB/16GB iPhone 5 (no other models) for $299 and $349 with no LTE you would applaud the pricing but chastise Apple to no end for the lack of LTE and point to your Galaxy Nexus and talk about LTE. All the Android supporters on this board would also come out and slam Apple for not having a microSD slot yet offering little space.

 

[Gooberlx2]

I believe on ST, they will hold you to a 2GB cap or so if you're using an AT&T SIM, whereas a TMobile SIM seems to not have a limit.

Or it's not as strictly enforced at least.

 

[Anubis]

with cloud storage ..the size shouldn't make a issue.. unless you like having your music collection or vid collection on the go.

i currently havd 16.2 GB of nothing but aps and photos on my phone & the OS itself, there isnt a single media item on it. and actually only like 500mb of that is photos

8gb is simply not enough, and i really dont even have that many aps

 

[vi edit]

After reading that article I don't think it was so much an issue of cost, rather time and head aches. Google simply didn't want to get burried down in the pursuit of trying to get certified to run LTE(and CDMA for that matter) on AT&T/Verizon/ect when a perfectly functional, easy to use and wide open GSM band using "good enough" HSPA+.

I think in the case the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. Instead they have a very high spec'd (other than kinda whimpy storage options) unlocked phones at prices that should cause carriers to pucker up a bit.

4.7" phone + quad core + 2GB RAM + unlocked for $349 off contract? That's some serious hardware for a un-serious price.

 

[Spicedaddy]

Carriers must hate this, especially in Canada with our 3-year contracts. Who's gonna pay 199$ + 3-year contract for an iPhone 5/SGS3 when you can get a Nexus 4 for 299$ ??

I see our carriers dropping contract length to 2-years in the future, and finally offering cheaper plans when you're not subsidizing a phone.

 

[zerogear]

I'm putting my GS3 on Craigslist next week and ordering a Nexus 4.

To clarify, the GS3 isn't lacking in any area, but it will be a zero-dollar upgrade since the Nexus 4 is only $299/$349. Even 8GB is plenty for me, but I'll get the 16GB just in case (I'm only using 2GB on my GS3). Everything is on the cloud. No need for LTE since I'm paying $45/month with Straight Talk.

I am thinking about this, but I think I want to wait until maybe a 32GB model. And I'm iffy on LG build, so I'll wait until you guys (ginuea pigs) test it out for me

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I'm willing to pay $399 for a 32gb. *possibly $449*

 

[Ns1]

:'(

4.7" phone + quad core + 2GB RAM + unlocked for $349 off contract? That's some serious hardware for a un-serious price.

so much this.

 

[basslover1]

http://www.tmonews.com/2012/10/t-mobile-confirms-nexus-4-hspa-42mbps-connectivity/

I'm going to be really upset if the T-Mo version has the 42mbs radio and the Play store version does not.

 

[Ravynmagi]

http://www.tmonews.com/2012/10/t-mobile-confirms-nexus-4-hspa-42mbps-connectivity/

I'm going to be really upset if the T-Mo version has the 42mbs radio and the Play store version does not.

Seems weird that the Play version doesn't have HSPA+42, so hopefully that's wrong. Though to me that's a pretty big detail to screw up on Google's website.

 

[TuxDave]

4.7" phone + quad core + 2GB RAM + unlocked for $349 off contract? That's some serious hardware for a un-serious price.

The price is tempting but the omission of LTE is very disappointing. $350 is cheap if you're trying to get into the smartphone arena for the first time but if you already have a Galaxy Nexus, I don't see a good reason to make the jump. $350 saved if you find no real benefit beyond bragging rights.

 

[BenSkywalker]

If Apple released an 8GB/16GB iPhone 5 (no other models) for $299 and $349 with no LTE you would applaud the pricing but chastise Apple to no end for the lack of LTE and point to your Galaxy Nexus and talk about LTE.

Apple does have an unlocked phone that you can buy for $350-

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Apple-iPho...ocked/21280984

You may be utterly shocked, but it doesn't have LTE either, or a tollerable display, or a reasonable amount of RAM, or a remotely decent SoC, and it's only 8GB.

People who don't worship the essence of Apple consider price in their factoring of the worth of a product. 8GB 3GS or 16 GB Nexus 4 for the same price.... hmmmm.... I'm not going to quite call that close.

 

[ponyo]

LOL okay. If it doesn't have LTE for Verizon or AT&T, I understand why. That's why I don't care about those, because by inclusion of LTE for any carrier on the US, that typically means they have to sell it with a carrier contract. I understand Google's unwillingness to do that. But international LTE? Can you please give me a reasonable explanation why that can't be done? I could make the argument that they should've just done 2G EDGE and not had 3G HSPA. If they're selling it as an international phone, then they can try to include international bands. For some reason to you that means 4G is undoable.

Added cost and likely delay. According to who? Was there an issue putting LTE on this phone? Once again, I cite the iPhone. Is there some reason Apple can pull it off but LG cannot? There are tons of other LTE phones out there. Honestly, why I'm annoyed is because the apologists are out in force.

If Apple released an 8GB/16GB iPhone 5 (no other models) for $299 and $349 with no LTE you would applaud the pricing but chastise Apple to no end for the lack of LTE and point to your Galaxy Nexus and talk about LTE. All the Android supporters on this board would also come out and slam Apple for not having a microSD slot yet offering little space.

Look, I don't give a crap about international LTE. Most countries don't even have LTE. I don't care to subsidize or wait on them. Google is only releasing this phone in handful of countries. Tough luck to the rest of them. You suddenly care about international LTE yet don't care about pentaband 3G? Google is one of the few who actively support T-Mobile and prepaid carriers. Where's the iPhone that support T-Mobile 3G? Why aren't you whining about that? That effects many more members here and people in the US. Where is the outrage? Why can't Apple make iPhone that works on T-Mobile 3G?

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Look, I don't give a crap about international LTE. Most countries don't even have LTE. I don't care to subsidize or wait on them. Google is only releasing this phone in handful of countries. Tough luck to the rest of them. You suddenly care about international LTE yet don't care about pentaband 3G? Google is one of the few who actively support T-Mobile and prepaid carriers. Where's the iPhone that support T-Mobile 3G? Why aren't you whining about that? That effects many more members here and people in the US. Where is the outrage? Why can't Apple make iPhone that works on T-Mobile 3G?

Don't even try. This is the guy who RALLIED hard against Google when the Ip5 came out because the IP5 was announced to have support for basically every single spectrum. Much bashing against google because Apple had ONE phone that was compatible with everything. Cue 10 minutes later when we learned that there were multiple models of the IP5 to support different frequency bands.

Suddenly, it doesn't matter there are different models for different frequencies.

 

[basslover1]

Seems weird that the Play version doesn't have HSPA+42, so hopefully that's wrong. Though to me that's a pretty big detail to screw up on Google's website.

https://***********************/androidpresssite/home/tech-specs

Looks like they didn't update the play store listing. Woot 42mbs is plenty fast.

Sure this is anecdotal, but when I had my Verizon Gnex, 10mbs was the max I saw on LTE. Where as doing speed tests with an HTC One S and GS3, 20mbs was the usual. Yea, I'm excited.


For whatever reason that the link isn't working, some kind of censorship? Weird