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NFS4

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Originally posted by: IHateRequiredNicknames
It's funny that I see quite a few people saying things along the lines of "it was okay, but something just didn't click... I prefer the original 1989 movie".

I and the group of friends who went to see the original movie (17-19 yr olds at the time) had some of the same feelings about it. The specific complaints that at least some of us had at the time (not all of these are things I didn't like, but someone from our group mentioned it) were that Keaton seemed forced as Batman (or his batman voice did), didn't like the fights (too obviously choreographed or slow), some moments that were too cheesy (like the batplane being framed against the moon to make the bat symbol), Joker was too over-the-top, etc.

It seems like a chocolate vs. vanilla, black coffee vs. sugar & cream arguement. Some expect more fun, some expect more darkness, and so they see different strengths & weaknesses in both fimls.

I'm just glad that although I think I prefer this new version more, now I have at least two good Batman movies to watch.

And that's all fine and dandy. But there will always be people who prefer the original, and there will always be people that prefer the new series. I for one prefer the old. You aren't going to change people's minds, just as I'm not going to change yours. If you're gonna be sticking your nose in the comics following every little lead and every little inconsistency or consistency with the comic book, you're probably going to like the new movie. If you just want to watch a movie that's fun and is just plain great cinema with a dark atmosphere, great score, and colorful characters without trying to bend yourself over obssessing about the comic storyline, you'll probably like the original...as I did.

As for cheese? The bat symbol with the batwing was a nice touch if you ask me. And as for over the top? It's the Joker!!!!! Do you want him to seem like he's been on anti-depressants???? That's like telling Angelina Jolie not to act sexy in a love scene with Brad Pitt.


"Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile."

 

Plasdom

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no none has mentioned this yet, but I do believe that the little kid is going to be robin in the future. When bat first met him he looked like was living in a shelter
 

brigden

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Dec 22, 2002
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Originally posted by: Plasdom
no none has mentioned this yet, but I do believe that the little kid is going to be robin in the future. When bat first met him he looked like was living in a shelter

No way. Dick Grayson and family were part of a circus act.
 

jjzelinski

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Originally posted by: Plasdom
no none has mentioned this yet, but I do believe that the little kid is going to be robin in the future. When bat first met him he looked like was living in a shelter

I was wondering about that as well. Additionally, I'm curious about the guy with the scars on his neck; they seemed to accentuate him.
 

Basilisk6

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Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Originally posted by: Plasdom
no none has mentioned this yet, but I do believe that the little kid is going to be robin in the future. When bat first met him he looked like was living in a shelter

I was wondering about that as well. Additionally, I'm curious about the guy with the scars on his neck; they seemed to accentuate him.


The guy with the scars was Victor Zsaz. He was a psychotic serial killer in the comics who gave himself a scar for each person he murdered. His whole body was covered in scars.
 

Plasdom

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Originally posted by: brigden
Originally posted by: Plasdom
no none has mentioned this yet, but I do believe that the little kid is going to be robin in the future. When bat first met him he looked like was living in a shelter

No way. Dick Grayson and family were part of a circus act.

still very young. If that was a shelter he could be adopted by a travelling circus that comes to town or something
 

AAman

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a nice and solid production, worth the wait and the price of admission, kept the camp to a minimum...
could've used some more character development, but then that would have slowed the pace

 

brigden

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Dec 22, 2002
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Originally posted by: Plasdom
Originally posted by: brigden
Originally posted by: Plasdom
no none has mentioned this yet, but I do believe that the little kid is going to be robin in the future. When bat first met him he looked like was living in a shelter

No way. Dick Grayson and family were part of a circus act.

still very young. If that was a shelter he could be adopted by a travelling circus that comes to town or something

It won't happen like that.

Wayne adopted Grayson after the young boy's parent's were killed by the mob as retaliation against the circus for failing to pay extortion.

The two characters shared the bond of watching their parents die at the hands of criminals, creating the urge to fight crime.

To be honest, it's a fairly involved story and I'd rather see them skip it if they're going to focus on developing the origins of future villians.
 

Fox5

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Originally posted by: brigden
Originally posted by: Plasdom
no none has mentioned this yet, but I do believe that the little kid is going to be robin in the future. When bat first met him he looked like was living in a shelter

No way. Dick Grayson and family were part of a circus act.


But Tim Drake wasn't.
 

brigden

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Dec 22, 2002
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Originally posted by: Fox5
Originally posted by: brigden
Originally posted by: Plasdom
no none has mentioned this yet, but I do believe that the little kid is going to be robin in the future. When bat first met him he looked like was living in a shelter

No way. Dick Grayson and family were part of a circus act.


But Tim Drake wasn't.

They won't skip Grayson.
 

Excelsior

Lifer
May 30, 2002
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Originally posted by: brigden
I feel a lot of the complaints are ungrounded.

This film is not a prequel. It does not have anything to do with any Batman film before it. The four films before it are unrelated.

The Joker did not kill Wayne's parents in the comic book. Burton dreamed up that idea. Joe Chill was responsible for Wayne's parents murder and it went down nearly exactly as it was descibed over sixty years ago.

Obviously, Batman is in the infancy of his career. Both the Batmobile and the Batcave will evolve as he grows. Having a ready-made Batmobile with Bat-wing fins a la Tim Burton would have been too unrealistic. I think the "Tumbler" was perfect.

The "close-up, blurry" fight scenes make sense. One, they're more intense, and two, watching Batman neatly take down a group of thugs while being treated to a full and steady shot of his costume takes some of the mystique away. I'm pretty sure the filmmakers tried filming the fight scenes neatly but realized that it looked akward.

The acting was perfect; Bale was without doubt the most convincing Wayne/Batman. The visuals were perfect too; there wasn't too much CG (thank God). The only gripe I have is that there wasn't a better musical score. I realize that the music can become a character in the film (like Elfman's '89 score) and the filmmakers probably wanted to avoid the epic, but a decent theme would have been nice.

Overall, this movie was for the fans. It isn't as accessible as, say, Spider-Man, but I'm glad they made a Batman film for the fans and not necessarily just for the masses.

I honestly think it was the best movie I've ever seen.

Dude..I pretty much agree with everything you have said there..for the most part.
 

Excelsior

Lifer
May 30, 2002
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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: The Boss
Originally posted by: brigden
Originally posted by: NFS4
Just got back from seeing it with my dad.

**Note, Batman (1989) is my favorite movie of all time...PERIOD. End of discussion**

That being said, I thought this movie was decent but left me wanting mostly. It just didn't "click" with me the way the original did when I saw it at age 9. This one seemed sorta meh and the fast cutting fight scenes were enough to drive my batty. Bale had the whole cocky, I'm mad at the world attitude going on, but he just can't top Keaton.

And the baddies in this movie? Puhlease. They can't even come close to touching Jack in the original.

But by far, the WORST offense in the whole movie was when he first said "I'm Batman!" It was so horrible I wanted to puke my brains out.

That being said, I still like Batman and Batman Returns way better than this new flick

You suck.

I concur. Anyone who prefers another Batman movie to Batman Begins must be a Batman movies fan, not a true Batman fan.

You're right. I'm a fan of the first two movies (fvck the last two). Never read the comics, but was intrigued by the first Batman and it STILL is my favorite movie.

Michael Keaton IS Batman as far as I'm concerned and Bale did an excellent job. I just prefer Keaton.

There is just something about the chemistry of the characters in the original Batman that just worked. I didn't see any of that going on between characters in this film. Some of the Gordon <-> Batman interaction seemed a bit too forced. Same goes for Bruce <-> Alfred. Subtle attempts at humor were also lost on me in the movie. Moments that were supposed to get a rise out of the audience didn't do a damn thing. The only consistency with the audience seemed to be that everyone loved the Morgan Freeman's character and his dialogue.

I haven't read the comics, so maybe I didn't know that Scarecrow was supposed to come across as a little annoying prick.

I'll just have to wait til the next movie to see what kind of baddies they throw in b/c as far as I'm concerned, there's no way in HELL they can top Jack Nicholson as The Joker. He was MADE for that role. Sadistic bastard

I respect your opinion, but I honestly think the fact that you saw the first Batman at age 9, and of course, before Batman Begins, is affecting your judgement. I love Batman too, but I am not letting it affect the way I perceive Batman Begins.

Thats all.
 

Excelsior

Lifer
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Originally posted by: NFS4
And another thing I wondered...you mean that nobody from Wayne Industries figured out that that was one of THEIR tumblers be driven around by Batman?

But all of the sh!t down there was for the most part, secret, and they only showed Freeman down there, for the most part. It wouldnt surprise me if hardly any people from Wayne industries knew it was their vehicle.
 

EKKC

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im confused. does freeman's character fox know about bruce = batman?
 

zainali

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Originally posted by: EKKC
im confused. does freeman's character fox know about bruce = batman?

yes. he was the one who made the antidote for scarecrows poison.
 

MmmSkyscraper

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Jul 6, 2004
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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: brigden
I feel a lot of the complaints are ungrounded.

This film is not a prequel. It does not have anything to do with any Batman film before it. The four films before it are unrelated.

The Joker did not kill Wayne's parents in the comic book. Burton dreamed up that idea. Joe Chill was responsible for Wayne's parents murder and it went down nearly exactly as it was descibed over sixty years ago.

Obviously, Batman is in the infancy of his career. Both the Batmobile and the Batcave will evolve as he grows. Having a ready-made Batmobile with Bat-wing fins a la Tim Burton would have been too unrealistic. I think the "Tumbler" was perfect.

The "close-up, blurry" fight scenes make sense. One, they're more intense, and two, watching Batman neatly take down a group of thugs while being treated to a full and steady shot of his costume takes some of the mystique away. I'm pretty sure the filmmakers tried filming the fight scenes neatly but realized that it looked akward.

The acting was perfect; Bale was without doubt the most convincing Wayne/Batman. The visuals were perfect too; there wasn't too much CG (thank God). The only gripe I have is that there wasn't a better musical score. I realize that the music can become a character in the film (like Elfman's '89 score) and the filmmakers probably wanted to avoid the epic, but a decent theme would have been nice.

Overall, this movie was for the fans. It isn't as accessible as, say, Spider-Man, but I'm glad they made a Batman film for the fans and not necessarily just for the masses.

I honestly think it was the best movie I've ever seen.

Dude..I pretty much agree with everything you have said there..for the most part.

Seconded. I can't wait for the next part.
 

MmmSkyscraper

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Originally posted by: Nik
It's subtle, but you get a very long, very deep look into the complexities of the character. Not with words, not with actions per say, but just the look in Bale's eyes in most scenes is a window into the dark, dark soul of The Bat.

Just reading back through the thread from the start and spotted this... I agree 100%.

 

Attrox

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Aug 24, 2004
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OMG, I just got back from watching it.
I haven't been in the movie theatre for about 1 year. Definitely money well spend!
The audience clapped at the end of the movie
 

OneOfTheseDays

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watched it twice, in two different theaters. Both audiences were clapping at the end. This movie was well made, if your a fan of the comic you will most likely enjoy this movie. I thought the musical score was pretty good actually, very moving in some scenes.
 

Excelsior

Lifer
May 30, 2002
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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
watched it twice, in two different theaters. Both audiences were clapping at the end. This movie was well made, if your a fan of the comic you will most likely enjoy this movie. I thought the musical score was pretty good actually, very moving in some scenes.

Yeah, the people clapped at my showing too...I still don't get clapping though, and I will never do it unless the movie is the best movie I have EVER seen..or ever will see..which would be hard to know.

I agree about the musical score.there were some moments when I really enjoyed it.
 

BigToque

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Batman Begins > all other Batman movies. It's probably one of the best movies I've seen.

There were a few things I didn't like though:

[*]When Bruce Wayne begins his training, Ducard (Qui-Gon ) says that the death of his parents was his dads fault through is inaction. You can't hold anyone other than Joe Chill responsible, but I guess this statement through the eyes of a man who is essentially a "bad guy".

[*]At the end of the movie, I thought it was totally out of place when Batman said "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you". He knew the train would crash and it would kill him if he was in it, so in my eyes, through inaction, Batman killed Ducard. You also have to take into account that Bruce Wayne had already saved him once before, so he would have been a fool to save him again though.

[*]The technology and set seemed to be too advanced for the time period I thought Batman took place and doesn't fit with the tehnology in the first movies. Maybe this was just me.

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This wasn't initially going to be in my post, but I just realized that my first two points seem to be related, but I'm not totally sure how Can someone shed some light onto this?
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: Stefan
[*]The technology and set seemed to be too advanced for the time period I thought Batman took place and doesn't fit with the tehnology in the first movies. Maybe this was just me.

The first two movies had a sorta 40-50's sorta atmosphere with the reporters, cops, cameras they used, dialog, newspaper boys, etc.

But as stated before, this is movie isn't really supposed to "fit in" with the older ones
 

BigToque

Lifer
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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Stefan
[*]The technology and set seemed to be too advanced for the time period I thought Batman took place and doesn't fit with the tehnology in the first movies. Maybe this was just me.

The first two movies had a sorta 40-50's sorta atmosphere with the reporters, cops, cameras they used, dialog, newspaper boys, etc.

But as stated before, this is movie isn't really supposed to "fit in" with the older ones

I didn't read the thread before I posted. Once I read it, I understood that this movie wasn't supposed to be a prequel.
 
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