[OFFICIAL] Bulldozer Reviews Thread - AnandTech Review Posted

[jacktesterson]

What I don't get is even with overclocking there is hardly any performance increase from stock. *scratches head*. Mind boggling.

In gaming? Isn't this often the case as most of us are GPU bottlenecked?


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[AnandThenMan]

If I were an AMD fan, I would also be worried about their 7000 series GPU's that were delayed. Something is going on there.

Why? I don't see the correlation at all. What makes you say this?

 

[ElFenix]

This is a case where it is true that Rome wasn't built in a day, labeling banias as an "emergency" project does nothing to address the fact that the timeline itself was still pretty much locked in stone as a 3yr project timeline.

the argument isn't that they weren't locked into a timeline, the argument was that 'they always had banias to fall back on' which simply isn't borne out.

the design team that worked on it (intel's 3rd tier at the time), started work on it sometime after september 2000 (they were working on a different processor prior). which is within spitting distance of the pentium 4's retail release date, so intel knew what they were getting from that processor.

emergency is emergency, they didn't "always" have banias to fall back on.

 

[jacktesterson]

If you couldn't get your 1035 to 4ghz, why not. You got the PSU. I just couldn't with my 1090t at 4.1ghz.

Its currently not overclocked. It waaasssss game stable at 3.5 but recently had freezing so rather than tinkering with testing stability i waited for today to come figuring id order a bd

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[psolord]

AMD FX-8150 Bulldozer Gaming Performance Analysis

A 4100/70 @4.5-5.0Ghz as a decently performing budget gaming solution, is the only semi decent thing I can think of, regarding today's sadness.

I can only guess, that as per the above real life/real resolution tests, a quad FX OC could hold its ground. I do prefer low res tests for cpu benchmarks, but this could provide a solution for people on a budget. That is if quad fx drops to 100$ or something, which from today's AMD's global banishment, I hope it will.

 

[SithSolo1]

Just wait ya'll, AMD's got this on lock.

 

[quest55720]

If I were an AMD fan, I would also be worried about their 7000 series GPU's that were delayed. Something is going on there.

Anyways crap like this release is what made me jump off the AMD fanboy wagon years ago.

NVIDIA has been delayed also. The fabs are at fault for the GPU delays. I am very confident AMD will bring a GPU that will be competitive in the mainstream market. I am sure NVIDIA will hold the high end crown again. The GPU division seems to learn from its and its competitors mistakes unlike the CPU division.

 

[jacktesterson]

NVIDIA has been delayed also. The fabs are at fault for the GPU delays. I am very confident AMD will bring a GPU that will be competitive in the mainstream market. I am sure NVIDIA will hold the high end crown again. The GPU division seems to learn from its and its competitors mistakes unlike the CPU division.

I agree ... No connection

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[Nintendesert]

NVIDIA has been delayed also. The fabs are at fault for the GPU delays. I am very confident AMD will bring a GPU that will be competitive in the mainstream market. I am sure NVIDIA will hold the high end crown again. The GPU division seems to learn from its and its competitors mistakes unlike the CPU division.

Yeah, I'm very disappointed that AMD couldn't provide more competition for Intel, but Intel seems to be on a roll. I'm loving my 2500K. Their GPU division though has been doing good things and I fully expect the 7xxx series not to disappoint.

I'm a little more worried about the APUs though and what's going on there with these shitty bulldozer chips.

 

[quest55720]

I am not worried about the APUs for now because it will be a while before trinity is out. LLANO and brazos are both very good products. I remcomend those platforms to my friends and family who ask about laptops or netbooks. I hope that they give up on trinity and beef up the memory controller and GPU on the LLANO instead. I am really looking forward to next years next generation brazos.

 

[-Slacker-]

I'll be the first to admit that I have, at best, a very basic understanding of cpus and processors of any kind. Half of the time I read technical posts on these forums, I feel like I'm watching members of an advanced alien species communicating with each other, and I mean that with a lot of admiration, because I wish I had the know-how that many of the people here have.

Even so, I can't help but to indulge myself in personal incredulity when I see these numbers, and I don't mean that as in I think they're fake. No, by this point, I'm sure they're very real.

What I can't believe my eyes is that a cpu with double the transistor count of the nearest competitor gets absolutely trashed, despite operating at higher clock speeds.

I think I'm more confused now as to how this IPC thing works - I thought that, unless you make a chimpanzee design your processor dye, more transistors = higher IPC, or at least "way more transistors = higher IPC".

Yeah, I ... herp derp ... mind = blown etc etc..

 

[daweyo]

Obvious AMD employee is obvious.

Let's not go there.
-ViRGE

Haha. No, not JF-AMD or and employee. I own an Intel 2600k system, use a 4800+ for a webserver, and still like to fire up my old Abut BP6 with dual Celeron 300. I am not saying to buy BD, but AMD, to help keep them afloat. So much bashing and negative energy by a bunch of know it alls drives me nuts. I have been a lurker in threads forever, but just felt like AMD engineers are getting stomped on by the masses because of a horrible board of directors. This is probably this biggest problem of any huge corporation, is that they are run by a bunch of self serving nobodies who have no idea of what is really going on in the engineering trenches. My company is the same way. I agree with a buy out and a cleaning house of directors and chair. Ohwell, I am done, I won't buy BD, but maybe a 6970 or something, because I certainly don't want to see an Intelopoly.

 

[jacktesterson]

Ohwell, I am done, I won't buy BD, but maybe a 6970 or something, because I certainly don't want to see an Intelopoly.

Intel makes good GPU's?

 

[daweyo]

Intel makes good GPU's?

Sure, discrete, but I am refering to support a company that is good for the industry if they do well. Pointless to bash David for not taking down Goliath.

 

[Dominato3r]

I'm looking here and see that the FX4100(3.6ghz, 4C) costs less than the i3-2100 and can be OC'd. How are the benchmarks in this range?

 

[jacktesterson]

I'm looking here and see that the FX4100(3.6ghz, 4C) costs less than the i3-2100 and can be OC'd. How are the benchmarks in this range?

Pretty good. I would personally buy it over a i3-2100 if these are your choices.

http://www.techspot.com/review/452-amd-bulldozer-fx-cpus/page7.html

 

[Arkaign]

Pretty good. I would personally buy it over a i3-2100 if these are your choices.

http://www.techspot.com/review/452-amd-bulldozer-fx-cpus/page7.html

A $120ish 955BE makes more sense at that price range, as it won't break your wall outlet once overclocked. Better than the stupid locked dual core 2100, and better than the BD fiasco. Think about it, a quad-core BD is actually two modules that share a bunch of resources, and each core is about 2/3 the size of a PhII core. Hell even an A8 makes more sense than a 4100.

Edit : from that same review ..

http://www.techspot.com/review/452-amd-bulldozer-fx-cpus/page10.html

PhII X4 beats 4100 in games.

I admit I was wrong about the power draw, the 4100 pulls slightly less than the PhII does at 3.7ghz.

The Thuban is really where it's at for AMD choices, but the PhII X4 is nice as well.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Is there any review posted looking at the FX-8150 or FX-8120 when it comes to Folding@home performance? They look to be the cheapest way to make a system that can run -bigadv since it only supports natively eight threads or more and takes great advantage of them.

 

[Munky]

I just had a crazy idea of where AMD may be headed. What if Bulldozer is merely a transitional step towards a fully decoupled architecture? Similar to how GPUs have evolved over time, what if eventually AMD wants to have a massive unified front end decoding and scheduling instructions to many smaller, simple execution cores, and a unified Load/Store and Retire back end? I'm not a CPU designer, but from an abstract-level perspective, I can see some benefits to this kind of approach.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Is there any review posted looking at the FX-8150 or FX-8120 when it comes to Folding@home performance? They look to be the cheapest way to make a system that can run -bigadv since it only supports natively eight threads or more and takes great advantage of them.

it scores the same as the i5 2500K

 

[busydude]

Almost every reviewer.. including Anand says that BD's architecture is a good one for server environment. Can anyone care to elaborate how this excels or even competes with Intel? I just don't understand.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Almost every reviewer.. including Anand says that BD's architecture is a good one for server environment. Can anyone care to elaborate how this excels or even competes with Intel? I just don't understand.

Well Bulldozer is mainly built for Web and Database that usually need a boost in power consumption

So, ya Bulldozer in the server market

Slower
Weaker
Hotter
Lots of fuel required

Absolutely perfect for the server market

 

[exar333]

Overclocking an FX-8150 is like taking an overclocked 2500k and adding an HD6950 2GB as a cherry on top of it.

Looks like the market for $70+ supercoolers is back!! Thermalright, Prolimatech, Noctua must be having an office party today

BD is a great option for those holding onto an old P4E system.

Power hungry? check
Slow? check
Overpriced? check

 

[exar333]

Well Bulldozer is mainly built for Web and Database that usually need a boost in power consumption

So, ya Bulldozer in the server market

Slower
Weaker
Hotter
Lots of fuel required
Absolutely perfect for the server market

Sorry, I am going to call you out as not knowing anything about server needs. Power/heat are KEY to server needs, and is a huge component of cost.

 

[hans030390]

Sorry, I am going to call you out as not knowing anything about server needs. Power/heat are KEY to server needs, and is a huge component of cost.

I thought that he was saying that...?