I still don't know what to make out of this. Lets hope this new architecture really shines in server and other high margin areas so AMD can at least bring in some cash to fund better development.
windows performance said:Compile Chromium Test
You guys asked for it and finally I have something I feel is a good software build test. Using Visual Studio 2008 I'm compiling Chromium. It's a pretty huge project that takes over forty minutes to compile from the command line on the Core i3 2100. But the results are repeatable and the compile process will stress all 12 threads at 100% for almost the entire time on a 980X so it works for me.
Ugh.So JFAMD was full of shit with his IPC is better which he kept clinging to in repeated posts.
Well i must admit im not surprised, dissapointed but not surprised.
This just mean we are going to get RAPED by intel as they have no reason at all to release newer faster SKU's or strive to add new innovations to their upcoming CPU's.
Its probably why they stripped down X79 because they know they didnt need anything special to kill off derpdozer.
I hope someone buys AMD and tells them how to run a company because at this point it has become obvious they have no idea what they are doing.
Honestly, management is 100% to blame for this decision. Did they honestly think 90% of programs would use 8 threads in 2011-2012?
All I have to say is this...
If you want AMD to pull through and (hopefully) build better processors and compete with Intel, then you have to support them and purchase their CPUs even if they are are not the cat's meow next to Intel. AMD needs CASH MONEY to get BETTER Engineers for better R&D. Period. If everyone runs to Intel because they can't get the same faps per second or gigglehurts than they can with AMD, then Intel will continue to dominate, charge high prices, and only release competitive products when they have to. Does anyone remember the first company to 1GHz? Intel was incrementally upgrading their CPUs by 33MHz if I remember. With new chipsets. And RAM. Because they could. We all have AMD to thank right now for being as competitive as they are. Lets see, AMD market cap 5 billion, Intel 150 Billion. Who has more money for engineers? At least AMD is trying to stay relevant, and on a shoestring budget. Most engineers are probably like baseball players are go to where the bling is. So, if anything, buy AMD for charity to give them some cash so they can keep Intel on their toes and prices down.
Ugh.
This really does say it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqTU4wVvZL0
They DO got a new CEO, so it is possible he can fix AMD's problems. In the meantime, lower the price of the bloody FX series by $30-60.
All I have to say is this...
If you want AMD to pull through and (hopefully) build better processors and compete with Intel, then you have to support them and purchase their CPUs even if they are are not the cat's meow next to Intel. AMD needs CASH MONEY to get BETTER Engineers for better R&D. Period. If everyone runs to Intel because they can't get the same faps per second or gigglehurts than they can with AMD, then Intel will continue to dominate, charge high prices, and only release competitive products when they have to. Does anyone remember the first company to 1GHz? Intel was incrementally upgrading their CPUs by 33MHz if I remember. With new chipsets. And RAM. Because they could. We all have AMD to thank right now for being as competitive as they are. Lets see, AMD market cap 5 billion, Intel 150 Billion. Who has more money for engineers? At least AMD is trying to stay relevant, and on a shoestring budget. Most engineers are probably like baseball players are go to where the bling is. So, if anything, buy AMD for charity to give them some cash so they can keep Intel on their toes and prices down.
No, I'm sick of choosing the losing team. I backed AMD for years, I even bought AMD processors at a time when AMD was not at their best (ie after the Core 2 Duo came out). Two processors! I should have bought Intel both times, but I didnt. I stubbornly held on.
And I waited for Bulldozer, which was promised in like, 2007? Something like that? Years ago. I waited and I waited. And I even believed JFAMD for a while, that IPC would improve.
Now BD lands, and its clear that its a steaming pile of dung that has been fermenting in AMD's gut for the last few years. What were they doing in that time? Did they never benchmark an engineering sample, and say, gee, this thing underperforms like a wiffle bat in a gunfight? They went ahead, knowing how bad it is even compared to Phenom II. Phenom II! It cant even beat its older sibling! Thats how terrible this processor is.
I stood up for AMD at a time when Intel was abusing their market position. People said AMD was where they were because of incompetence, but I disagreed. Had not the Athlon 64 blown away all opposition? Yet now, years after a settlement was reached, AMD is still underperforming, and this I'm afraid the answer really must be incompetence. They cant blame it on Intel anymore. Stand up and take the blame AMD, you messed up.
Angry ex fan boy.
Phenom II vs. Bulldozer Clock-for-Clock Comparison
Bulldozer is on average 22% slower per core than Phenom II is.
All I have to say is this...
If you want AMD to pull through and (hopefully) build better processors and compete with Intel, then you have to support them and purchase their CPUs even if they are are not the cat's meow next to Intel.
Lets just hope what we havent seen yet is the price drop announcement. Because unless they sell the top end chip for no more than a 2500k(which has regular sales under $200) they are screwed. $180 would be a good price point for the 8150.
Honestly I wouldn't even buy it for that, given the power draw. It ruins the bargain aspect that I was hoping for, as it requires a more expensive power supply in consideration with a system build vs. an overclocked SB.
Honestly I wouldn't even buy it for that, given the power draw. It ruins the bargain aspect that I was hoping for, as it requires a more expensive power supply in consideration with a system build vs. an overclocked SB.