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dbigers

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THey would have responded by hiking up the Sandy Bridge prices.

Thats kind of what I was getting at. It might have helped AMD if they had went ahead and shown Intel the performance months ago, prior to the announced price cuts on SB. Not to mention the 2700k. Would Intel have even announced that if they knew this was coming?
 

exar333

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Just remember, next time, all this utter bull-feces we've been fed the past year from certain people, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice and shame on me.

Thread after thread, months worth, all bull-feces. Remember this the next time we see people walking like a duck and quacking like a duck. If you don't, shame on you that second time around.

The last 2 major releases from AMD have been similar. Phenom I and now BD. PhII was a decent performer, but was really not that 'new' compared to PhI.

I really do think folks will be much more skeptical the next time around. The marketing for BD didn't do any favors for AMD either.

Interesting that now the product has launched the AMD marketing guys are MIA...:whiste:
 

Vesku

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Just remember, next time, all this utter bull-feces we've been fed the past year from certain people, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice and shame on me.

Thread after thread, months worth, all bull-feces. Remember this the next time we see people walking like a duck and quacking like a duck. If you don't, shame on you that second time around.

I'm wondering if "quiet period" for AMD will extend past the industry standard for this release, .
 

Elixer

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Just remember, next time, all this utter bull-feces we've been fed the past year from certain people, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice and shame on me.

Thread after thread, months worth, all bull-feces. Remember this the next time we see people walking like a duck and quacking like a duck. If you don't, shame on you that second time around.

Exactly.
Such needless effort was put forth into trying to fool consumers into thinking this is going to be something special.
It was something, just not special.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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No one said you had to do anything.

The post was in response to someone who called people who don't buy intel because of their business practices pathetic, which is weird, because we're talking about pieces of silicon here, whereas, in the case of the people lex was referring to, it goes beyond the actual product, all the way up to economical and legal mischief. Or supposed mischief, so as to not offend anybody.

My second point was about the fact that you should feel glad that OTHER people are helping out the underdog, which may lead to fiercer competition, not that YOU, or anybody who didn't buy a bulldozer has to buy it, for any reason.




But this is just ideological nonsense. IF supporting the underdog results in more competition, then why does it matter if failure is rewarded? (in before 100 page political debate)

Again, IF.

Again, not YOU, specifically.

The Phenom II and Athlon II got plenty of support, and for good reason: they had good bang-for-buck and decent efficiency. After their success, AMD turns around and gives us a CPU that is inferior in single-threaded performance and a meager 15% better in multi-threaded than their previous. All this without taking into account K10.5 is, at heart, an architecture from 2003. IIRC, development on Bulldozer started in 2007. Four years in the making, and it's barely an improvement. How you manage to mess up something this bad, I don't know.

Supporting the underdogs in this case is to do exactly the opposite of what you should. As a consumer you should buy better products, or if they're similar, you could go as you say for the underdog (if you believe in that philosophy). AMD knows they made a massive mistake they're gonna have to rectify, similar to what they did with the Phenom. The Phenom was an unpopular chip, which pushed AMD to come out with a good chip on second try so they could win enthusiasts back again. If you simply support their failures they'll be laughing all the way to the bank, and why would they need to rectify the mistake if they're getting your money anyway?


If it's a good product, buy it. If it's not, go with the competition. Simple as that.
 

StrangerGuy

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Just can't over-emphasize timing in the industry. BD was meant to come out and compete against Nehalem. If it did, it wouldn't have nearly the cool reception it has.

That being said,was anyone else pleasantly surprised about the Thuban 1100T in all these benchmarks we're seeing?

Oh you mean how Nehalem still shits all over it. Irrelevant discussion anyway because we simply aren't living in 2008.
 

drizek

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I've actually just been looking over the numbers and BD doesn't seem to be that bad, actually. It beats the 1100T in most benchmarks and I think with a mild OC to 4.0 or 4.2GHz the power consumption will be tolerable.

I honestly really like certain aspects of it.

1. Idle power consumption is unrivaled. Most of us don't actually stress our systems to the max most of the time, and so this really helps to balance out the ridiculous power consumption at max load.
2. The high power load kind of sucks, but it isn't that big of a deal. Most apps aren't multithreaded and so if you're in a game, half the CPU is going to be turned off anyway. I'd like to see some real world power consumption numbers instead of just people burning it up with LinX.
3. I actually genuinely do use 7-Zip a lot
4. I want to encrypt my entire system, and I need hardware accelerated AES in order to be able to do so
5. I'm hoping it will be usable for running a Hackintosh now that we have SSE3 support and other fun things.

There is no doubt that BD is inferior to Sandy Bridge in many many ways, but I don't think it is fair to say that it is a bad CPU, assuming they sell the octalcore in the $130-$180 range.
 

Tikerz

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I just read the HardwareHeaven review and the benchmarks were more favorable for the FX-8150 compared to the 2600k than the other reviews.

The difference?

They weren't using the AMD press kit ASUS CH5 motherboard.

Interesting...
 
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Mem

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I just read the HardwareHeaven review and the benchmarks were more favorable for the FX-8150 compared to the 2600k than the other reviews.

The difference?

They weren't using the AMD press kit ASUS CH5 motherboard.

Interesting...

Yep I read that and they get the opposite,
There are two areas where the FX-8150 excells though, those are gaming and overclocking. In the former we saw the processor give us improved framerates over the Intel model. In the latter the ability to exceed 5GHz with ease offers additional value for money. In fact AMD have indicated that they expect most users to exceed 4.8GHz on air cooling.

Moving on to the 990FX Extreme4 we have another very impressive board from ASRock. It combined flawlessly with the new FX-8150 giving us great overclocking potential and stability from the moment we first turned the system on. Running DDR3-1866 was a simple process also and the overall package is enhanced by the extra features such as support for multiple GPUs, 3TB drives and a great BIOS GUI and update tool.

Amazing how reviews are different,maybe Asrock have the BIOS perfect for BD hehe...
 

Ketchup

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So the performance numbers are in, and it's not that great, and that's not such a big deal, about what I was expecting (actually pretty good for a chip that was due out three years ago.) The thing that has me scratching my head is the pricing. Apparently, AMD has taken everything that got them to this point and threw it out the window.

Does anyone remember why they bought their Athlon CPU? PERFORMANCE PER DOLLAR!

I was shocked when I looked this thing up and it is priced $60 HIGHER than the i5 2500k. I know a lower clocked chip is supposed to arrive in the $200 range, but that is still to high.

AMD needs to fix their pricing on these things if they want them to actually sell.
 

EightySix Four

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So the performance numbers are in, and it's not that great, and that's not such a big deal, about what I was expecting (actually pretty good for a chip that was due out three years ago.) The thing that has me scratching my head is the pricing. Apparently, AMD has taken everything that got them to this point and threw it out the window.

Does anyone remember why they bought their Athlon CPU? PERFORMANCE PER DOLLAR!

I was shocked when I looked this thing up and it is priced $60 HIGHER than the i5 2500k. I know a lower clocked chip is supposed to arrive in the $200 range, but that is still to high.

AMD needs to fix their pricing on these things if they want them to actually sell.

The die is MASSIVE, I don't think AMD can lower the prices.

To help performance? Cache is a quick way to bump performance without having to rewrite the microcode...

Anand mentioned that the L3 doesn't help performance much if any, but AMD needed it for servers and didn't have an opportunity to develop a chip without it.
 

choliscott

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I am curious to know if places like Newegg saw an increase of cpu sales today from people that wanted to upgrade their machine, but waited until BD came out
 

mrjoltcola

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In the end, the chip isn't bad, it's just 2 years late.

If BD had shipped Fall 2009, (prior to Sandy Bridge), people would be falling over themselves to pay $399 for it. Price/performance is relative to what else is available. Sandy Bridge is the "else" and has completely repositioned the price/performance bar, fortunately, for the overall good of processor evolution.

AMD could have blindly followed Intel's lead, but they didn't. They attempted to out-flank Intel with 8-core, and a new design. At least they tried. In my own experience a complete redesign rarely succeeds, but often breeds new breakthroughs. Now that the product has shipped, I expect marketing and executive pressure is off for a while, and 2012 will have a positive revision for the FX chip, plus, who knows, we may now see a revised, die-shrink of Phenom. One way or the other, good things will come.

In the meantime, as a consumer you are entitled to spend your money as you see fit. You have more choices now than ever. Vote with your dollar. Personally, I see Bulldozer as 2009 performance, plain and simple. I'll save my money for SB-E or a 2700K uberclock.
 
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I think the main reason we all feel let down here is we were expecting Bulldozer to close the single threaded performance gap that Intel leads AMD in.

It did nothing of the sort, in fact it seems to have WORSE IPC than Ph2.

Is that not why we're all disappointed?
 

Vesku

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Yes, was hoping for 10% improvement from Phenom II IPC after shared module penalty. Expecting about even IPC with Phenom II. Received -10% IPC, I am disappoint.

No. We knew it wouldnt touch SNB for IPC or single threaded stuff. It sucks for multi threaded stuff. Not only does it suck it eats gobs of power doing it.

Well to do well in multi-threaded you need to have a good IPC to core count ratio. Current FX needs 10 cores to be OK, if they'd gotten some IPC improvements than the current 8 core would have been OK.
 
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-Slacker-

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The Phenom II and Athlon II got plenty of support, and for good reason: they had good bang-for-buck and decent efficiency. After their success, AMD turns around and gives us a CPU that is inferior in single-threaded performance and a meager 15% better in multi-threaded than their previous. All this without taking into account K10.5 is, at heart, an architecture from 2003. IIRC, development on Bulldozer started in 2007. Four years in the making, and it's barely an improvement. How you manage to mess up something this bad, I don't know.

Supporting the underdogs in this case is to do exactly the opposite of what you should. As a consumer you should buy better products, or if they're similar, you could go as you say for the underdog (if you believe in that philosophy). AMD knows they made a massive mistake they're gonna have to rectify, similar to what they did with the Phenom. The Phenom was an unpopular chip, which pushed AMD to come out with a good chip on second try so they could win enthusiasts back again. If you simply support their failures they'll be laughing all the way to the bank, and why would they need to rectify the mistake if they're getting your money anyway?


If it's a good product, buy it. If it's not, go with the competition. Simple as that.



Yes, it would be better if they went bankrupt, maybe then they'll decide to put more effort into it.

Also, it seems that I am again forced to remind who it may concern that I'm not trying to guilt anyone into buying FXs.
 
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