*OFFICIAL* CANADIAN ELECTION THREAD

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: desy
He hammered away on the Kyoto accord without putting forward a plan to meet its clean-air targets. He talked about national unity but offered no new ideas for bringing the country together.
He used same-sex marriage and abortion to paint the Tories as rabid right-wingers - while conveniently ignoring the dozens of his own MPs who sided against his policy.

"What are we doing talking about the notwithstanding clause?" he asked rhetorically Monday. "One-third of your caucus voted against same-sex marriage - so get off your high horse."

The Liberals needed to go
If you look at their strength its all in TO, Montreal ,and Vancouver
How is that representative of Canadians? It isn't, its why their support is holed up in large urban centers and their policies reflect that.

You want representation? Switch to proportional representation and we'll see if any party can have majority other than Liberals.

from atlas of canada

From 1996 to 2001, the nation's population further concentrated in four broad urban regions: the extended Golden Horseshoe in southern Ontario; Montréal and environs; British Columbia's Lower Mainland and southern Vancouver Island; and the Calgary-Edmonton corridor. In 2001, 51% of Canada's population lived in these regions, compared with 49% in 1996.

Mostly Liberal no?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Martin

he's talking about the "North West Passage", not north atlantic route
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/nwp.gif

It does go right through Canada, however some countries seem to think its an international passage and the US regularly sends ships and subs up there to make that point. Saying this as an international passage is about as ridiculous as saying the passage between manhattan and long island is an international route.

Most countries reject Canada's imperialistic claims of the Northwest passage.

The US and Canada have an agreement that the US can send ships through the passage by just notifying Canada, and Canada cannot refuse permission.

Uh, what are you smoking dude?

Try sending a PRC warship or sub through these international waters I doubt you would call a hostile US response . . . imperialistic.

How about a Venezuelan cruiser traveling here?

Granted, its still retarded to think Canada is going to buy enough firepower to keep the US Navy out.

But Martin is sounding a touch Bushish . . . cut taxes, spend more . . . I hear that works wonders for the budget.:roll:

 

[desy]

Calgary and Edmonton are ALL Conservative
Historically '80's' TO Montreal and Van to a lesser extent have voted Conservative so its not a given it is a Liberal riding. The Liberals have also done a little Gerrymandering


"It looks like they may have elected a Liberal somewhat south of us in a traditional Conservative stronghold.(West Van/Sunshine Coast/Whistler)

You have the Liberals redrawing the eloctorate boundries for that.

Pemberton is connected to these areas via the Sea to Sky highway. Traditionally, Pemberton votes COnservative.

When they (Liberals) redrew the boundries a coupel of years ago, Pemberton was lumped in with Chilliwack. There is no direct route form Chilliwack to Pemberton.

The difference between the Liberal and Conservative candidates in votes was a few hundred,last I checked.

Pemberton voters would have made the difference.

While Iam sure all the people in Chilliwack are great people, Pemberton shares little in common (except farming roots) and we share ALOT with Whistler. 1/2 of Pemberton works in Whistler.

Our MP, Chuck Strahl, is a great guy, but he doens't need Pembertons votes. John Weston, the CPC candidate for West van, sure could have used them, as the race was run by a couple of hundred votes.

FOr once I wish I lived there and could have voted in Whistler...."

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Uh, what are you smoking dude?

Try sending a PRC warship or sub through these international waters I doubt you would call a hostile US response . . . imperialistic.

How about a Venezuelan cruiser traveling here?

Granted, its still retarded to think Canada is going to buy enough firepower to keep the US Navy out.

But Martin is sounding a touch Bushish . . . cut taxes, spend more . . . I hear that works wonders for the budget.:roll:

I think I should be asking what you're smoking because the situations are completely different. There are territorial disputes in the arctic involving Canada, US, Russia, Norway, Denmark, and maybe others. Canada is trying to push its imperialistic agenda onto others, but most countries dismiss it. If a ship was sailing around Prince Edward Island or Newfoundland, then it could be comparable to your examples.

 

[coomar]

Originally posted by: desy
Calgary and Edmonton are ALL Conservative
Historically '80's' TO Montreal and Van to a lesser extent have voted Conservative so its not a given it is a Liberal riding. The Liberals have also done a little Gerrymandering


"It looks like they may have elected a Liberal somewhat south of us in a traditional Conservative stronghold.(West Van/Sunshine Coast/Whistler)

You have the Liberals redrawing the eloctorate boundries for that.

Pemberton is connected to these areas via the Sea to Sky highway. Traditionally, Pemberton votes COnservative.

When they (Liberals) redrew the boundries a coupel of years ago, Pemberton was lumped in with Chilliwack. There is no direct route form Chilliwack to Pemberton.

The difference between the Liberal and Conservative candidates in votes was a few hundred,last I checked.

Pemberton voters would have made the difference.

While Iam sure all the people in Chilliwack are great people, Pemberton shares little in common (except farming roots) and we share ALOT with Whistler. 1/2 of Pemberton works in Whistler.

Our MP, Chuck Strahl, is a great guy, but he doens't need Pembertons votes. John Weston, the CPC candidate for West van, sure could have used them, as the race was run by a couple of hundred votes.

FOr once I wish I lived there and could have voted in Whistler...."

immigrants primarily vote liberal and guess where they usually settle?

the GTA is only going to become more liberal in the future unless the conservatives can figure out a way to get the minorities

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Uh, what are you smoking dude?

Try sending a PRC warship or sub through these international waters I doubt you would call a hostile US response . . . imperialistic.

How about a Venezuelan cruiser traveling here?

Granted, its still retarded to think Canada is going to buy enough firepower to keep the US Navy out.

But Martin is sounding a touch Bushish . . . cut taxes, spend more . . . I hear that works wonders for the budget.:roll:

I think I should be asking what you're smoking because the situations are completely different. There are territorial disputes in the arctic involving Canada, US, Russia, Norway, Denmark, and maybe others. Canada is trying to push its imperialistic agenda onto others, but most countries dismiss it. If a ship was sailing around Prince Edward Island or Newfoundland, then it could be comparable to your examples.

you really need to lay off the crack.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Colt45

you really need to lay off the crack.

No thanks!

Fight the imperialists.

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Colt45

you really need to lay off the crack.

No thanks!

Fight the imperialists.

You don't understand the meaning of the word imperialism, do you?

 

[Zebo]

So what was so bad about current govt? From waht I understand y'all have 7 years of balanced budget - many years or non-interventionist foriegn policy - cradle to grave healthcare, free education university too and about the same taxes as the US. Sounds pretty ideal to me - cept they don't allow freedom or speech or expression.

 

[Looney]

What do you mean no freedom of speech or expression? We have more of it up here in Canada than the US. We don't have Christiian fundamentalists with enough power to affect the media up here.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Zebo
So what was so bad about current govt? From waht I understand y'all have 7 years of balanced budget - many years or non-interventionist foriegn policy - cradle to grave healthcare, free education university too and about the same taxes as the US. Sounds pretty ideal to me - cept they don't allow freedom or speech or expression.

Huh? I can not only call my primi minister a crackhead who hates blacks and get away with it (not saying its true) but..I can also call Bush anything I want...and not be investiagted (by Canadian government anyway)

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Zebo
So what was so bad about current govt? From waht I understand y'all have 7 years of balanced budget - many years or non-interventionist foriegn policy - cradle to grave healthcare, free education university too and about the same taxes as the US. Sounds pretty ideal to me - cept they don't allow freedom or speech or expression.

The policies and outcomes from the outgoing government were pretty good, all things considered. This is more about the fear that they became too comfortable, as evidenced by the 'sponsorship' scandal (money stolen by previous members of the party, pretty much a drop in the bucket, but indicative of a problem).

This round, some of the election platform was questionable (handgun ban) but this election wasn't about policy anyway.

We have freer speech here than you have in America; not freer than you are supposed to have, but freer in reality.

 

[coomar]

our education is more heavily subsidized but we still have to pay for it, our taxation rate should be higher than the states

eastern ontario is more traditional conservative as is the non-urban 519 (windsor/waterloo/guelph/london)

the 905 was conservative under mike harris, its just going to take them a while to trust any conservative after the utter disgrace of that government

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: coomar
our education is more heavily subsidized but we still have to pay for it, our taxation rate should be higher than the states

eastern ontario is more traditional conservative as is the non-urban 519 (windsor/waterloo/guelph/london)

the 905 was conservative under mike harris, its just going to take them a while to trust any conservative after the utter disgrace of that government

Wow, you have everything backwards there. The 519 is generally conservatives, while other areas are liberals. And the 905 was heavily liberal, and when Mike Harris came into power, he heavily punished Toronto for voting against him.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Uh, what are you smoking dude?

Try sending a PRC warship or sub through these international waters I doubt you would call a hostile US response . . . imperialistic.

How about a Venezuelan cruiser traveling here?

Granted, its still retarded to think Canada is going to buy enough firepower to keep the US Navy out.

But Martin is sounding a touch Bushish . . . cut taxes, spend more . . . I hear that works wonders for the budget.:roll:

I think I should be asking what you're smoking because the situations are completely different. There are territorial disputes in the arctic involving Canada, US, Russia, Norway, Denmark, and maybe others. Canada is trying to push its imperialistic agenda onto others, but most countries dismiss it. If a ship was sailing around Prince Edward Island or Newfoundland, then it could be comparable to your examples.

Dude, the Arctic is friggin' ice cap . . . at least it used to be until the "imperialists" pumped the atmosphere full of crap. Regardless, Russia can certainly claim territorial LAND that's near or in the ice cap. Denmark is FOS except to the extent they are claiming Greenland's territory that's near or in the ice cap. Norway ceded its claim in the 19th century . . . which was to Greenland NOT the Arctic or Canada.

The US does NOT have territory in the Arctic ice cap and certainly no justification to prowl through the territories. All we have is friggin' Alaska.

Now we did have one total BS claim . . .

In World War II, after the German occupation (1940) of Denmark, the United States invoked the Monroe Doctrine for Greenland and reached an agreement (1941) with the Danish minister at Washington that permitted the establishment of U.S. military bases and meteorological stations. A Danish-American agreement for the common defense of Greenland was signed in 1951, and U.S. bases were retained, notably at Thule . Thule is now the sole remaining U.S. military base in Greenland.

That whole "claiming shyte just b/c you can" doesn't work anymore.

kiddie map of Northwest Passage that even a huffing juvenile or dry drunk could understand.

So you see, the Northwest Passage goes THROUGH Canada.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: coomar
our education is more heavily subsidized but we still have to pay for it, our taxation rate should be higher than the states

eastern ontario is more traditional conservative as is the non-urban 519 (windsor/waterloo/guelph/london)

the 905 was conservative under mike harris, its just going to take them a while to trust any conservative after the utter disgrace of that government

Wow, you have everything backwards there. The 519 is generally conservatives, while other areas are liberals. And the 905 was heavily liberal, and when Mike Harris came into power, he heavily punished Toronto for voting against him.

519 went mostly red this time

 

[envy me]

Stephen Harper doesn't care about black people.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: envy me

Stephen Harper doesn't care about black people.

lol

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Dude, the Arctic is friggin' ice cap . . . at least it used to be until the "imperialists" pumped the atmosphere full of crap. Regardless, Russia can certainly claim territorial LAND that's near or in the ice cap. Denmark is FOS except to the extent they are claiming Greenland's territory that's near or in the ice cap. Norway ceded its claim in the 19th century . . . which was to Greenland NOT the Arctic or Canada.

The US does NOT have territory in the Arctic ice cap and certainly no justification to prowl through the territories. All we have is friggin' Alaska.

Now we did have one total BS claim . . .

In World War II, after the German occupation (1940) of Denmark, the United States invoked the Monroe Doctrine for Greenland and reached an agreement (1941) with the Danish minister at Washington that permitted the establishment of U.S. military bases and meteorological stations. A Danish-American agreement for the common defense of Greenland was signed in 1951, and U.S. bases were retained, notably at Thule . Thule is now the sole remaining U.S. military base in Greenland.

That whole "claiming shyte just b/c you can" doesn't work anymore.

kiddie map of Northwest Passage that even a huffing juvenile or dry drunk could understand.

So you see, the Northwest Passage goes THROUGH Canada.

You obviously don't understand the situation and are just spouting crap since this is probably the first time you've even heard of this situation. The US claim doesn't involve Greenland, it involves Alaska as well as international law. The US, EU, Japan, etc. do not recognize Canada's unilateral claim of the Northwest Passage.

True, this "claiming shyte just b/c you can" doesn't work, and the Canadians need to learn this instead of trying to bully people.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: coomar
our education is more heavily subsidized but we still have to pay for it, our taxation rate should be higher than the states

eastern ontario is more traditional conservative as is the non-urban 519 (windsor/waterloo/guelph/london)

the 905 was conservative under mike harris, its just going to take them a while to trust any conservative after the utter disgrace of that government

Wow, you have everything backwards there. The 519 is generally conservatives, while other areas are liberals. And the 905 was heavily liberal, and when Mike Harris came into power, he heavily punished Toronto for voting against him.

519 went mostly red this time

Are you sure? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Canada_election_2006_ontario_v2.png

Anyways, i don't really pay attention to most of the area... but i know my area almost always goes conservatives.