"Official" DFI nF4 Ultra-D / SLI-DR Thread

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juandoh

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Jul 12, 2005
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Just want to throw my experience with my DFI motherboard and RAM incompatibility:

Motherboard: LanParty UT nf4 Ultra-D
CPU: Athlon 64 3500+ Venice core
Ram: 2x1024 Corsair Value Select RAM (installed in slots 2 & 4-- the orange ones)
Video: MSI 6600GT 128MB
P/S: Antec TP-II 550

I ran into memory problems from the very beginning when I tried to install Windows XP: PFN_LIST_CORRUPT (once) and IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (subsequent) Blue Screen of Death messages. To get past those errors, I took out the RAM in slot 4 and was able to install Windows.

I tried running both modules individually in slot 2 and I didn't get any problems loading into Windows. But I couldn't get the computer to POST at all, not even the initialize the video card with either module in slot 4 alone. A compatibility problem or a bad DIMM slot? Based on the fact that the computer would recognize both modules when they placed there, I leaned towards a compatibility problem.

I was getting random restarts when I ran with both modules again, but this time I swapped modules in the slots compared to the original configuration when I got BSsoD (Blue Screens of Death).

It was at this point I found out from the dfi-street forum regarding Corsair incompatibility with DFI motherboards, especially of the Value Select line. I followed the general advice I found from there and the Corsair official help forums-- http://www.asktheramguy.com:

I set Load Optimized Defaults in the BIOS (didn't appear to address anything), I flashed my BIOS to the 6/23 BIOS (addressed the random reboots as they were no longer occuring), and ran memtest over both modules and each individual module to single out possible errors. Even though things were appearing stable after I flashed my BIOS, I wanted to find out if the RAM was good or not. In the past, I had an issue with a module of RAM that would only work in one slot on my motherboard. I dismissed it as being an incompatibility problem. Less than a year later, the module died on me-- it's likely the module was bad from the start so I didn't want to repeat that again.

I used memtest v1.60 to do my testing. My tests occured over the course of two days with tests running from 2 hours to as much as 10 hours so that multiple passes would occur. On my machine, it took 25 minutes to run through all 8 tests with 1GB installed. If an error was found on a particular configuration, I re-ran the test to check for consistency. I got an error to occur twice in the same test and same failing address in a 2GB configuration. When I tested the modules individually, one module did not show errors after running 2 tests (2 hours and 10 hours respectively) while the other one showed errors consistenly.

For the bad module, what wasn't consistent was what test numbers and failing address(es) showed errors between the tests. So on one test I would get errors on Test 6 and Test 7 but on another test I would get an error on Test 1. According to the documentation, memtest uses random patterns to test so it isn't guaranteed that you'll always get the same errors for every pass-- this is why they recommend letting the test run overnight or over several days.

So at this point I was convinced that one of the modules was bad. The first few tests were run with the VDIMM voltage set to 2.60V (set by Load Optimized Defaults). But since these specific modules are rated at 2.50V, I decided to run the rest of my tests with this voltage because I wanted to get a baseline test at their rated spec.

The Corsair reps on asktheramguy.com will advise bumping up the voltage to up to 2.8V but if you ask me, if you have to bump up the voltage on a module that's rated at 2.50V just so errors would not show memtest, something's gotta be wrong. And indeed, one module showed no errors at 2.50V while one showed errors at 2.50V and 2.60V.

Where does this leave me: I've decided to RMA both Corsair Value Select modules back to newegg-- one as defective and one as a return for refund. I instead purchased the OCZ Platinum 2GB Dual Channel Kit (this isn't Rev. 2 as it's not sold in 2 GB kits) based on recommendations on the dfi-street forum for maximum compatiblity with my motherboard. Yeah, yeah, I've heard that the dfi-street guys are all "hardcore" about recommending only the very best but it makes sense when you're looking at it from a compatibility standpoint as opposed to a "give me the best just to have" point of view.

I'll run memtest on these guys just to make sure they are okay.

What I took away from this:
1) Check memory and motherboard compatibility!
2) Don't buy "Value"-branded RAM for a machine that isn't built with value parts. I didn't skimp on anything but maybe the video card so why should I skimp on the RAM. Now if I'm building a budget PC for someone, then yeah I'll go with Value RAM.

Hope this helps anyone who might be running into similar issues.
 

rise

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Dec 13, 2004
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nice post juandoh. i learned quickly as well with this board. i spent days pouring over posts at dfi.street.

its great that all posters need to have system specs in their sigs, makes it really easy to find things that work.

i hope your ocz goes well. i was considering those same sticks before deciding on the mushkin hp blue 3200. i'm pretty sure they use the same infineon be-5 chips. works great for me.
 

CheesePoofs

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Dec 5, 2004
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This board often requires more volts than normal to get memory to run with complete stability. But even though you had bad issues with your Corsair Value Select, I wouldnt say dont' get value ram with this board. Value ram is fine in almost all cases, its just that Corsair's value ram happens to occasionally decide to hate this board. It has nothing to do with poor quality parts; I had some Kingston HyperX that hated this board also (it would not let me run it 1:1, even at stock speeds).

Good luch with your new ram!
 

TJmoney

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Nov 22, 2004
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Juandoh: Corsair Value Select works great, i'v been using it on this board since February. You just need to change the Max Async Latency to 7ns if overclocking, 6 if running stock, and the memory works fine. Without setting that i was getting the exact same issues. It ran totally stable even on the origional bios up to 220mhz if max async latency is set correctly. Aparently that defaults to somthing to aggressive for the value ram, but it doesn't appear to affect performance much.
 

reidman

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Jan 29, 2005
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Ok I had a NF4 Ultra -D that was working fine. Though about going to an X2 so I flashed the bios from 310 to 623-3. First thing I noted was I could no longer get on the internet. I use the Nvidia lan and the marvel for something else. I checked all the settings still enabled in bios, shows up in device manager but wont connect. Tried the Marvel and it works fine. Second problem, I have a Raid setup on the Sata 1&2 works fine, I also have a single 160 gig on Sata #3 nothing on 4.
After the flash I could no longer see the 160gb drive. Tried ever setting I could in bios no luck. I also noted that the Optical drives were redected in the bios on every boot. I tried manualy adding them they showed up fine, on a reboot they were gone again and redetected. After a day of waisting time I tried to reflash the new bios again still same problems, flashed back to 310 and no more problems. Lan works Sata drive on #3 is back and optical drives are saved.
I dont see how this could be a problem with just my system, but its a problem non the less.
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lsman

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I found out that a cheaper made SLi bridge sell in HK computer store for HK$30 (US $4)...
just very much lines on PCB and with 2 connectors...
I am asking a friend to get me one... for future possible use....
 

rise

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is that still the case? i haven't looked at it recently, since it first came out and it was a couple 6200's in sli, benched bridge vs non bridge. it did show a slight loss but i wasn't sure it if it ws fixed or not.

seeing as he is buying for future possible use, i figure wait.
 

CheesePoofs

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If its only $4 it can't hurt, especially if your putting two $400 cards into SLI. If yoru spending that much on the cards, you might as well spend $4 more to make sure you get all the performance you can out of them.
 

rise

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oh hell, i didn't see the $4 usd, lol. damn, no brainer. never mind me....
 

lawrenceku

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I don't plan on buying a floppy drive, so if i get a LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D, will i need drivers to detect 2 WD Raptors (74GB 10k RPM) for windows installation?

i know that if i get an ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe, i will not have to.
 

danskii

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Jan 13, 2005
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I'm having abnormally high northbridge chipset temps according to SmartGuardian
It's at 43C, my CPU is at 29-30C...
Any fixes for this? At what temperature does the northbridge get compromised?
 

vanvock

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Jan 1, 2005
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lawrenceku- not unless you'r doing raid

Danskii- shouldn't be a problem. Mine idles at 40, up to around 45 gaming. Make sure the fan is allowed full speed.
 

danskii

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Jan 13, 2005
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Oh ok. I just saw some people's screenies with nice overclocks on Ultra D with like 34C, so I thought mine were abnormal. Thanks for the help bud
 

vanvock

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Your welcome. Some folks swap out the stock thermal pad with AS5 which seems to help a little. Some have waterblocks, but if your not doing any hard overclocking you should be fine.
 

DaFOBulous1

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I know it must have been answered but can anybody give me their exact timings with their DFI SLI-DR board and OCZ Rev 2. Even after I updated my bios to the 6/22? one. Every single time I put in the second memory on slot 4...it gives me the stupid paused beep. It use to work before...I dunno what happen.


UGGGHH. I even copied someone's exact suggested settings on DFI Street.

Any help is appreciative.
 

GuniGuGu

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Jul 21, 2005
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So, I finally bought my new machine.... FINALLY!!!

and so i spents hours putting the thing together (it's my pride and joy now), until I come to find out, that the only way the machine will post is if I have the memory module in dimm 1 and 2 (not DUAL CHANNEL!!)

I've tried every possible combination, but as soon as I put any module in Dimm 3/4 (I need to put at least one in there for dual channel) the machine, doesn't post and gives me long beeps..

I can get it to post if I leave Dimm3 and 4 empty, and have one or both in Dimm 1 and 2.. But like i said, this is not dual channel, and not good enough!!!

Specs:
DFI Ultra NF4 (I just updated the bios to 623-3, not sure how to check the version though, and it also takes quite a bit longer now to get into the bios)
X2 3800
Corsair XMS TwinX 2048 - 3200C2
Geforce 7800 GTX
3 HDD's (2 Pata, 1 Sata)
2 Burners

Also, it was the first time I've put together a newer machine in a while, and found it wierd the mobo had power connects for like a HDD and Floppy type.. I connected them into the mobo, was this right?

Please help me out.. i'm pulling my hair out here.
 

blinky2004

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Mar 2, 2005
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All 4 power connectors to motherboard must be used.

24pin ATX 2.0 PSU must be used (at least 480W strongly recommended). A 20 to 24 pin adaptor is not recommended.

Normally Dimm 2 must be populated (one of the later BIOSes I think gets around this). Use the orange slots for dual channel.

DFI Street Critical Thread

DFI Street Non Critical Sticky Thread

DFI Street has lots of info. Use the search first and make sure you set up a signature with your full spec in - it's now a 7 day suspension if you fail to do so.


 

Hacp

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Jun 8, 2005
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Ok, I have a question. If I have 2x 512 sticks and 2x 256 sticks on my DFI LP UT Ultra-D, will I get 1T or 2T?
 
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