**OFFICIAL** Diablo 3 Thread

[KIAman]

I'm kinda at a dilema now. So far, I've been farming gold or selling stuff I can't use on the AH to make gold. This is because almost all the gear I have was purchased from the AH.

So now my wizard is decently specced, 58k dps, 36k hp, 4800 armor, ~350 resists. I can blow through Act I and II inferno, now I'm farming Act III. I have around 10m gold with around 10m on the AH.

Every day I make gold but with the knowledge of how much gold the farmers make and how cheap gold will be to purchase (in 2 months, I fully expect gold to sell for $3-$6 per mil) and with cheap gold comes at a cost of inflated prices.

So my dilema is, what is the point of diablo now? Do I farm good items and keep them because they will be more valuable commidity than gold? Do I spend 4 hours farming items and gold to make 1-2m when the reality is that amounts to only making $.75-$1.5/hr in wages?

I'm thinking gold will pretty much be worthless and the real commodities will be loot. But then, with persistent loot, even that will become saturated...

 

[Imp]

Just started Hell with my barb and holy shit... 33k health, 4-5k dps and I do fine with everything but certain elites and boss minions (boss I can take if alone).

In a party of 4 with 2 wizards and a demon hunter, I was almost always the last one standing or last to die. I've had to give up most of my +damage and +crit perks/skills for health regen/boost ones though.

Think I managed to farm $100k gold doing quests through Act 1. With a level 60 character and beaucoup +gold gear, I think Act 1 hell or Act 3 nightmare would be a great place to farm - going to try that.

Interdasting on the real money auction. Not sure if I want to screw around with that or not now.

By the way, when you guys sell stuff on AH, do you do "market research" or just pull a reasonable number out of your ass and sell? I find that throwing mediocre stuff on there and lowballing buyouts seems to work reasonable well.

 

[crownjules]

So my dilema is, what is the point of diablo now? Do I farm good items and keep them because they will be more valuable commidity than gold? Do I spend 4 hours farming items and gold to make 1-2m when the reality is that amounts to only making $.75-$1.5/hr in wages?

I'm thinking gold will pretty much be worthless and the real commodities will be loot. But then, with persistent loot, even that will become saturated...

I'm pretty sure the point of Diablo is to have a bunch of fun slaying the shit out of mobs of demons and seeing what cool items can drop.

 

[OCNewbie]

I'm pretty sure the point of Diablo is to have a bunch of fun slaying the shit out of mobs of demons and seeing what cool items can drop.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read his post.

 

[railven]

I'm pretty sure the point of Diablo is to have a bunch of fun slaying the shit out of mobs of demons and seeing what cool items can drop.

Yes, this! It brings me back to my old days of gaming where I'd just smash the crap out of a few buttons and have a blast while doing it.

As the mobs get harder, you start to strategize a bit more and your CDs get more use, but for the most part it is still just the thrill of slaughtering mobs and hoping to find a rare gem to wear as a trophy.

 

[Kelvrick]

I'm pretty sure the point of Diablo is to have a bunch of fun slaying the shit out of mobs of demons and seeing what cool items can drop.

My friends and I didn't play our level 60's yesterday and used our alts instead. We had so much more fun with the fact that we were advancing through the games and finding things we could actually use instead of grinding the same areas over and over in search of millions. Hopefully it carries until we get to 60 again and we'll all probably just reroll again.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I'm thinking gold will pretty much be worthless and the real commodities will be loot.

That was always going to be the case. I doubt they will be able to put in enough gold sinks to make gold valuable.

 

[AMDZen]

I'm kinda at a dilema now. So far, I've been farming gold or selling stuff I can't use on the AH to make gold. This is because almost all the gear I have was purchased from the AH.

So now my wizard is decently specced, 58k dps, 36k hp, 4800 armor, ~350 resists. I can blow through Act I and II inferno, now I'm farming Act III. I have around 10m gold with around 10m on the AH.

Every day I make gold but with the knowledge of how much gold the farmers make and how cheap gold will be to purchase (in 2 months, I fully expect gold to sell for $3-$6 per mil) and with cheap gold comes at a cost of inflated prices.

So my dilema is, what is the point of diablo now? Do I farm good items and keep them because they will be more valuable commidity than gold? Do I spend 4 hours farming items and gold to make 1-2m when the reality is that amounts to only making $.75-$1.5/hr in wages?

I'm thinking gold will pretty much be worthless and the real commodities will be loot. But then, with persistent loot, even that will become saturated...

There is absolutely no point at all, quit the game now

 

[KIAman]

I'm pretty sure the point of Diablo is to have a bunch of fun slaying the shit out of mobs of demons and seeing what cool items can drop.

So going with this logic, I am only going to get satisfaction after playing ~100 hours with friends for that 1 cool item that finally drops?

So spend 100 hours to have a moment of satisfaction?!?

 

[KIAman]

Yes, this! It brings me back to my old days of gaming where I'd just smash the crap out of a few buttons and have a blast while doing it.

As the mobs get harder, you start to strategize a bit more and your CDs get more use, but for the most part it is still just the thrill of slaughtering mobs and hoping to find a rare gem to wear as a trophy.

Are you talking about inferno? Nobody smashes and slaughters mobs in inferno. It is more like kill, run, kill, run, kill run, kill, run, kill, run x1000.

My friends and I didn't play our level 60's yesterday and used our alts instead. We had so much more fun with the fact that we were advancing through the games and finding things we could actually use instead of grinding the same areas over and over in search of millions. Hopefully it carries until we get to 60 again and we'll all probably just reroll again.

This sounds fun. My buddies are I should restart from the beginning and only use the loot we find. Kinda like hardcore. Except that means more grinding than ever to get the loot you need...

There is absolutely no point at all, quit the game now

Can't tell if serious or sarcastic, but I was kinda thinking this anyway.

Nobody else has this dilemma? What about once PvP comes in to play? You all gonna be ok with your mid-high end gear and getting 1 shot by the guy who spent money on his toon?

Or does nobody consider PvP at all?

 

[Kalmah]

So going with this logic, I am only going to get satisfaction after playing ~100 hours with friends for that 1 cool item that finally drops?

So spend 100 hours to have a moment of satisfaction?!?

If you aren't getting satisfaction out of just slaying demons then the game has failed.

 

[darkewaffle]

So going with this logic, I am only going to get satisfaction after playing ~100 hours with friends for that 1 cool item that finally drops?

So spend 100 hours to have a moment of satisfaction?!?

If you only have fun when you get the reward, not when you play, then there's no helping you. Inevitably, the longer you play, the greater the intervals between upgrades become.

 

[crownjules]

"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it."

In this case, the journey is the gameplay in D3 and the destination is the uber loot. A need to feel instantly gratified all the time is going to take much of the joy out of anything you do.

 

[EDUSAN]

My expectation as far as "whats the point in d3" is:

be able to beat inferno with at least 1 char and then gather a group to be able to beat inferno in hardcore

once i kill diablo in hardcore i wont play anymore at least until the expansion

the point is to beat the game

 

[KIAman]

If you only have fun when you get the reward, not when you play, then there's no helping you. Inevitably, the longer you play, the greater the intervals between upgrades become.

Wow, do you guys even read the quotes? He said that the fun is killing demons and seeing what cool items can drop. He didn't say the fun is just killing stuff.

I was following HIS logic, I was not forming a conclusion.

Now if the fun is in killing demons over and over again, at end game, with money being worthless and good items dropping once in a blue moon, that is fun for you guys?

If so, then my gaming mentality is VERY different for you guys. I'd rather mow the lawn than do the same shit over and over again in a game with no progression or rewards.

If the retort is "you can do it with friends" then I can think of a million different ways to hang with my friends without mindlessly killing mobs over and over again with no progression or rewards.

"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it."

In this case, the journey is the gameplay in D3 and the destination is the uber loot. A need to feel instantly gratified all the time is going to take much of the joy out of anything you do.

I'm not looking for instant gratification. I put in around 150 hours on this toon alone. I've earned everything I've done and have gotten.

 

[Udgnim]

My friends and I didn't play our level 60's yesterday and used our alts instead. We had so much more fun with the fact that we were advancing through the games and finding things we could actually use instead of grinding the same areas over and over in search of millions. Hopefully it carries until we get to 60 again and we'll all probably just reroll again.

my WD outgears A1 Inferno

I had fun recently screwing around with random skills doing A1 Inferno when searching for mats to get into Whimsyshire

 

[EDUSAN]

I'm not looking for instant gratification. I put in around 150 hours on this toon alone. I've earned everything I've done and have gotten.

did you beat inferno? then if you dont feel like creating another char the game is done for you. Not a big deal, games normally have an end

 

[railven]

Wow, do you guys even read the quotes? He said that the fun is killing demons and seeing what cool items can drop. He didn't say the fun is just killing stuff.

I was following HIS logic, I was not forming a conclusion.

Now if the fun is in killing demons over and over again, at end game, with money being worthless and good items dropping once in a blue moon, that is fun for you guys?

If so, then my gaming mentality is VERY different for you guys. I'd rather mow the lawn than do the same shit over and over again in a game with no progression or rewards.

If the retort is "you can do it with friends" then I can think of a million different ways to hang with my friends without mindlessly killing mobs over and over again with no progression or rewards.



I'm not looking for instant gratification. I put in around 150 hours on this toon alone. I've earned everything I've done and have gotten.

Then go mow the lawn. Finding fault with what we find fun in the game isn't going to get you any where. Clearly you can't find your own interest in the game that lawn is looking mighty tempting

 

[darkxshade]

Like I said, once RMAH goes live, I'm going to unload all my gold. My goal is to get the purchase price of the game back. I imagine a lot of folks are on the same boat as me.

As for what it's going to do to the economy... I can only theorize that since gold technically has no purpose in game other than repairs and crafting, there's going to be so much of it that the majority of players who plan to stay long term will move their transactions to the RMAH where cash is safer against inflation. If the best items in the game can only be bought in the RMAH, gold becomes even more useless. The RMAH is going to turn into a trade center with the thought process for most going something like "if I can sell this for X dollars, then it's ok for me to spend X dollars to buy something I need". Of course Blizzard will get their cut.

I see bad things coming for this game.

 

[PowerYoga]

So spend 100 hours to have a moment of satisfaction?!?

...You've never been in a relationship have you?

 

[JamesV]

So going with this logic, I am only going to get satisfaction after playing ~100 hours with friends for that 1 cool item that finally drops?

So spend 100 hours to have a moment of satisfaction?!?

That, and to be a possible customer for cash sales.

Where all these "Just enjoy the game" posters fail, is their inexperience with end-game Inferno. If you haven't spent at least 50 hours A3 Inferno or above, your opinion means nothing - but you will understand after having done that.

D3 is fun, especially early on, but for power gamers like me with over 225 hours already, the end game sucks. I'm not saying the game wasn't worth my money, but only that it will be lucky to last 10 months... no way people are going to be playing this for 10 years.

After 50 hours of finding 100 dps weapons drops from elites that take forever to kill, along with rings with a socket, and items with "Does 9-15 damage over time"... you start to question why you play. Then you find a legendary or set item with a lvl 60 requirement that is beaten by your lvl 50 gear, and you wonder again why you are playing.

In D2 you could go run normal and maybe get a SoJ (highly unlikely, but possible). Or run Meph, or Pindle, or a ton of other options; again with the possibility of finding great gear. In D3 your goal is to run A4 Inferno over and over and over and over and over... because it is the only place top end gear can drop.

In the end, it's simply kill the exact same mobs in the exact same place for the 0.00000001% of finding something better. No uniques or interesting items either, all just pure RNG equipment, of which I doubt any of you know the names of.

 

[gothamhunter]

Authenticator will be required for RMAH:

In preparation for the upcoming launch of the real-money auction house, we will be making some key changes related to the account-security measures required to use Battle.net Balance. Later today, the following updates will be made to the Terms of Use available on our website, and when the real-money auction house goes live, all players will be asked to re-read and accept these changes the next time they play Diablo III.

Battle.net Balance and Authenticator Update
With the introduction of the real-money auction house, account security will become more important than ever. To help ensure that players have a positive experience when using the real-money auction house, we've made some adjustments to how players can use and access their Battle.net Balance.

Starting today, in order to add to your Battle.net Balance, players will be required to have a Battle.net Authenticator or Battle.net Mobile Authenticator attached to their Battle.net account. For clarity, this means you'll need to have an Authenticator to add to your balance via Battle.net Account Management or to send the proceeds of your real-money auction house sales to your Battle.net Balance.

Please note that players who previously added Battle.net Balance to their account prior to this change will be able to use it to make eligible purchases on Battle.net and in the auction house without attaching an Authenticator. However, an Authenticator will be required to add to your balance in the future, as explained above.

While we understand that this creates an extra step for players during the login process, we believe this added layer of account protection will help foster a safer auction house environment for all of our players.

You can learn more about the Battle.net Authenticator, Battle.net Mobile Authenticator, and other account security information by clicking here.

http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/06/08/diablo-3-authenticator-required-for-real-money-auction-house/

Good idea, IMHO.

 

[darkewaffle]

Wow, do you guys even read the quotes? He said that the fun is killing demons and seeing what cool items can drop. He didn't say the fun is just killing stuff.

I was following HIS logic, I was not forming a conclusion.

Now if the fun is in killing demons over and over again, at end game, with money being worthless and good items dropping once in a blue moon, that is fun for you guys?

If so, then my gaming mentality is VERY different for you guys. I'd rather mow the lawn than do the same shit over and over again in a game with no progression or rewards.

If the retort is "you can do it with friends" then I can think of a million different ways to hang with my friends without mindlessly killing mobs over and over again with no progression or rewards.

I'm not looking for instant gratification. I put in around 150 hours on this toon alone. I've earned everything I've done and have gotten.

They go hand in hand. Diablo's ultimate goal is essentially "get the loot" but if the only part of the game that you enjoy is finding a Shiny Sword +7 because you've only got a Shiny Sword +6, then I'm not sure why you're still playing because the longer you go, the longer it takes to find those upgrades and they often have even smaller deltas. There's always ProgressQuest if that's all you're looking for lol.

For me, finding an upgrade or a valuable item is enjoyable no doubt, but it's not like I'm miserable in the interim. I like the gameplay, I like the visceral animations, I love buying and selling and flipping on the AH, I like chasing Treasure Goblins through packs of enemies trying to finish it off without getting myself killed, I like getting a pack full of rares and telling my friend "Hey, got something good for you".

I think if a game doesn't play enjoyably, I don't care often I level up or how many better and better items I find because it just won't be fun. And I think the converse is also true, if I like playing the game, well, then playing it is often reward enough; which is essentially the basis for two of my favorite games ever, Bloodline Champions and Bastions of War (a NWN mod).

 

[clamum]

To the people who were talking about Elemental Damage being "aesthetic", I thought it was stupid at first too but Blizzard's response to the question of why it was made this way does make sense to me:

Primarily due players preference of DPS over everything. As we played the game we found everyone just moved to the damage type that did the most damage. If we equalized damage they ignored ones that didn't have CC options. Case in point, we kept the slow on cold and gave it a lower damage budget and its the least used damage type now.

As far as saying the game was built around the Auction House, I've seen Blizzard employees repeatedly say this is NOT true. One example:

We tuned and balanced the game without the auction house, as there weren't enough people internally using it to test it against gameplay, so we didn't design anything for it.

 

[railven]

That, and to be a possible customer for cash sales.

Where all these "Just enjoy the game" posters fail, is their inexperience with end-game Inferno. If you haven't spent at least 50 hours A3 Inferno or above, your opinion means nothing - but you will understand after having done that.

D3 is fun, especially early on, but for power gamers like me with over 225 hours already, the end game sucks. I'm not saying the game wasn't worth my money, but only that it will be lucky to last 10 months... no way people are going to be playing this for 10 years.

After 50 hours of finding 100 dps weapons drops from elites that take forever to kill, along with rings with a socket, and items with "Does 9-15 damage over time"... you start to question why you play. Then you find a legendary or set item with a lvl 60 requirement that is beaten by your lvl 50 gear, and you wonder again why you are playing.

In D2 you could go run normal and maybe get a SoJ (highly unlikely, but possible). Or run Meph, or Pindle, or a ton of other options; again with the possibility of finding great gear. In D3 your goal is to run A4 Inferno over and over and over and over and over... because it is the only place top end gear can drop.

In the end, it's simply kill the exact same mobs in the exact same place for the 0.00000001% of finding something better. No uniques or interesting items either, all just pure RNG equipment, of which I doubt any of you know the names of.

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Let me get this straight - you've already invested that much time in the game and you're complaining you've run out of things to do? (How many days has this game even been out? 21-24 - that's 576 hours using the top point, so you've spent 225/24 == ~9.4 hours a day playing this game? )

This reminds me a person I know who is unemployed and was complaining Netflix didn't have enough content to keep him happy after he's watched 1500+ movies/shows.

By the time I hit that much time in this game perhaps new content will be available haha. I think I just broke 30 hours combined across my toons.