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Yreka

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Stripped my DH tonight and started a barb.. Priced the loot for way more than it is worth, so I will likely get most of it back..

Sold my quiver ( 500K gold bought last week) for $50 ( $41.64) after fee's.

Still having fun playing, but curious to see what happens to the gold AH and 1.03 patch. Worst case, I hawk the rest of my crap for $20 and buy TL2
 
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Udgnim

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Apr 16, 2008
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sold a 1H Crossbow, $250



Int/Vit/All Resist Shoulders, $40

Int/Vit/Attack Speed/Crit Damage Amulet, $15



I could make more USD if I stripped my Witch Doctor's glass cannon DPS gear but I like playing WD more than making USD
 
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weez82

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Jan 6, 2011
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you didnt sell shit. You just made the auctions. But I really hope no one is dumb enough to spend 250 on an item like that (but thats highly unlikely seeing as most people that will buy from the AH are idiots)
 

thejunglegod

Golden Member
Feb 12, 2012
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Jeeeesus??? 250$ ?? for an in-game weapon??? 4 times the cost of the game itself?? #facepalm#
 
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Zenoth

Diamond Member
Jan 29, 2005
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It's getting out of control, can't Blizzard just impose a maximum selling price? Let's say... nothing can't be sold above $20? (example)

Something like that? No?

Sure no one is obliged to use the RMAH, but that's ridiculous. I think I'd rather just play a F2P MMORPG and maybe spend $30 for various micro-transaction-based extras (such as new "chapters" or maps, or having access to more content or whatever), or even just vanity items (heck sure I guess I'd pay $5 for a set of vanity so I could maybe see more of my female toons skin). I was expecting most items - even "uber" ones - to be sold for maybe no more than around $15 or $20 each, with most of them at around $2 or $3... boy was I wrong (and surely naive). Instead I'm seeing items at $60+ and most of them wouldn't have been sold for more than maybe 2 or 3 million Gold even two weeks ago, which can be farmed in a matter of a day or two by most players whom might be looking for such items to start with.

My issue with the RMAH, even though it's not "imposed" per se, is that it still consists of a potential form of a "Pay-to-Win" advantage for people using that to... well, to gear up their toon(s) to become uber without the "hassle" (for them) of actually playing the game, which will obviously influence how the PvP will be going when it gets out. Watch as the Level 60's PvP'ing encounters the inevitable duels of players geared up in uber items from the RMAH's "best", against the players using the "crappy" GAH's "crappiest", thus leading to the predictable rage quits and complaints of unfairness and "imbalances". Good thing I myself never planned to play PvP though (and I did I think less than a dozen times in D2 over seven years or so).

None of the whole RMAH business should affect solo'ing (obviously, no one cares if Mr. Joe is uber from the RMAH but still mostly plays alone anyway) nor co-operation though. Now, that's for the people using the RMAH to gear up... that's one thing. The other category of "players" aren't players per se, they end up (or always planned to from the start) using the RMAH to make real-life money out of farming the game for items that can be sold, and becoming absolutely oblivious to the game as being "a game", but then considering it as a form of income, however negligible that income can ever be. I mean sure they have to "play" the game to farm said items worthy of selling for a cent, or a grand, but will they do it out of enjoyment of the game itself? I doubt it. Maybe their bot(s) will enjoy that though. It'll be more something along the lines of "let's log-in and let's try to find some items to make some cash so I can go buy my free BigMac", rather than "let's go play some Diablo III".

All of it will, I believe, simply contribute to accelerate the process of the game's degradation over time (a short period of time at that). I can't see D3 being "desirable" anymore in just a few months, and it already got to that point for many (even regardless of the RMAH business). I think that most of the game's loss in popularity will mostly come from word of mouth and the perception of the community, even by players whom were not nor ever planned to use the RMAH. Such "indifferent" players (to the RMAH) might still be discouraged to play especially when seeing uber-RMAH-geared toons 1-hitting everything in 4 players Inferno games, then asking them if it took them a long time to find said items, with the uber player replying "nah, bought @ RMAH lolz, played like 3 days on this toon lolz". Yeah must be fun knowing that the Demon Hunter next to you is being played by a guy who apparently doesn't want to progress with a challenge.

Meh...

Ultimately though, in retrospect, it's not that different from what happened with Diablo II and D2JSP, which one could argue that it (D2JSP) was just an unofficial "auction house" of sort. I've used that site myself for D2 trading for a time, since of course in-game trading in Diablo II was virtually non-existent, unless you could obviously find other D2JSP users and then en up trading via their forums anyway. Just like D3's auction house(s), one could just trade items there to receive the D2JSP's own currency, and never "have to" spend a real life dime for anything... or of course you could "donate" to D2JSP and in return receive 'x' amount of said currency to your account. That, or you could of course ignore D2JSP altogether and just "play on your own" forever, but doing that in D2 is making the game more of a chore than anything else, unless you play off-line and take the game with a grain of salt that happens to not be that much of a grain and is instead the size of our Sun.

With that said... despite D2JSP (which has existed since... many years) Diablo II is still going, perhaps even stronger than D3 as I type this. Heh maybe D3 will still be going "strong" despite the RMAH... who knows huh? Anyway, I can't wait to see someone posting a picture of their newly-bought HD television thanks to a few weeks (or days) worth of money made from RMAH transactions. Come to think of it I want new GPU, might as well just farm Inferno Act 1 to... ah crap never mind I leveled up a Barbarian, damn...
 

Adrenaline

Diamond Member
Jun 12, 2005
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Good to know people spend hours to farm D3 so they can sell stuff in RMAH for $5.....in the mean time, I will make my 6 figure in my day job and play games with real story and real fun during my spare time.

Thank you for providing nothing to the conversation. I work about 60 hours a week and do really well. I used the RMAH and plan on using it in the future.

I have three level 60s and bought two things that won't decrease in value anytime soon. The RMAH can be used to your advantage, I saw more deals on that last night than I have in the GAH in the past seven to ten days.
 

Adrenaline

Diamond Member
Jun 12, 2005
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Holy shit? $100 for a weapon? I think I am done for good...I was expecting the RMAh to get me back into the game to be able to deck out my guy for $10-$15 or so.

The weapon my DH uses would go for $250 and it isn't max but it would get the sell. I should have kept my previous weapon and sold it on the RMAH but I sold it on he GAH for a steal so someone could get a nice upgrade.
 

StinkyPinky

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2002
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Any time you buy a game it is just pixels. This is an old argument that has no merit.

You bought a game for a Wii, PS3 or a 360, it was just pixels.

Yeah and buying a book is just paper.

Millions of development cost goes into a game these days. No development cost goes into having players farm equipment and then selling it on your greasy auction house.

The weirdest thing is that this game is all about the fun of finding loot right? No one plays it for the story. So if you're just going to buy your loot....what's the point?
 

Adrenaline

Diamond Member
Jun 12, 2005
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Yeah and buying a book is just paper.

Millions of development cost goes into a game these days. No development cost goes into having players farm equipment and then selling it on your greasy auction house.

The weirdest thing is that this game is all about the fun of finding loot right? No one plays it for the story. So if you're just going to buy your loot....what's the point?

Then don't use the AH, either one. After farming and farming and farming, I want an upgrade that isn't dropping.

Blizzard maxed the amount of games that you can make in an hour to ten, that hinders farming and finding items to me. Blizzard is pushing the AH on to the casuals a little to much from what I have seen, but the idea is excellent.
 

Adrenaline

Diamond Member
Jun 12, 2005
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I put a bunch of crap up for 10-20 bucks. Maybe I'll get lucky and some dingo buys my shit bank fodder.

That is one thing that people aren't seeing, stuff that you find crappy someone else will buy for a small fee so they can progress because they can't find anything. Sell enough junk and you can use the money to buy do begging you can use yourself or cash it out.
 

StinkyPinky

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2002
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Then don't use the AH, either one. After farming and farming and farming, I want an upgrade that isn't dropping.

Blizzard maxed the amount of games that you can make in an hour to ten, that hinders farming and finding items to me. Blizzard is pushing the AH on to the casuals a little to much from what I have seen, but the idea is excellent.

I don't understand this. Again, why even bother playing if you're just going to buy stuff? What sense of achievement do you get from buying your gear?
 

rchiu

Diamond Member
Jun 8, 2002
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Gold or money AH it is basically the same. You pay one way or the other.

Seriously? You can't tell the difference between fantasy money and real money?

Thank you for providing nothing to the conversation. I work about 60 hours a week and do really well. I used the RMAH and plan on using it in the future.

I have three level 60s and bought two things that won't decrease in value anytime soon. The RMAH can be used to your advantage, I saw more deals on that last night than I have in the GAH in the past seven to ten days.

lol, won't decrease in value? what do you think this is? some investment? The only fool buying with real money is probably people thinking they can flip items for money. Classic bubble with thing with no real value. Oh well, maybe you cry enough after you lost your money, the US government will bail you out like everything else. Good luck.
 

rchiu

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Jun 8, 2002
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It's getting out of control, can't Blizzard just impose a maximum selling price? Let's say... nothing can't be sold above $20? (example)

Something like that? No?

Sure no one is obliged to use the RMAH, but that's ridiculous. I think I'd rather just play a F2P MMORPG and maybe spend $30 for various micro-transaction-based extras (such as new "chapters" or maps, or having access to more content or whatever), or even just vanity items (heck sure I guess I'd pay $5 for a set of vanity so I could maybe see more of my female toons skin). I was expecting most items - even "uber" ones - to be sold for maybe no more than around $15 or $20 each, with most of them at around $2 or $3... boy was I wrong (and surely naive). Instead I'm seeing items at $60+ and most of them wouldn't have been sold for more than maybe 2 or 3 million Gold even two weeks ago, which can be farmed in a matter of a day or two by most players whom might be looking for such items to start with.

My issue with the RMAH, even though it's not "imposed" per se, is that it still consists of a potential form of a "Pay-to-Win" advantage for people using that to... well, to gear up their toon(s) to become uber without the "hassle" (for them) of actually playing the game, which will obviously influence how the PvP will be going when it gets out. Watch as the Level 60's PvP'ing encounters the inevitable duels of players geared up in uber items from the RMAH's "best", against the players using the "crappy" GAH's "crappiest", thus leading to the predictable rage quits and complaints of unfairness and "imbalances". Good thing I myself never planned to play PvP though (and I did I think less than a dozen times in D2 over seven years or so).

None of the whole RMAH business should affect solo'ing (obviously, no one cares if Mr. Joe is uber from the RMAH but still mostly plays alone anyway) nor co-operation though. Now, that's for the people using the RMAH to gear up... that's one thing. The other category of "players" aren't players per se, they end up (or always planned to from the start) using the RMAH to make real-life money out of farming the game for items that can be sold, and becoming absolutely oblivious to the game as being "a game", but then considering it as a form of income, however negligible that income can ever be. I mean sure they have to "play" the game to farm said items worthy of selling for a cent, or a grand, but will they do it out of enjoyment of the game itself? I doubt it. Maybe their bot(s) will enjoy that though. It'll be more something along the lines of "let's log-in and let's try to find some items to make some cash so I can go buy my free BigMac", rather than "let's go play some Diablo III".

All of it will, I believe, simply contribute to accelerate the process of the game's degradation over time (a short period of time at that). I can't see D3 being "desirable" anymore in just a few months, and it already got to that point for many (even regardless of the RMAH business). I think that most of the game's loss in popularity will mostly come from word of mouth and the perception of the community, even by players whom were not nor ever planned to use the RMAH. Such "indifferent" players (to the RMAH) might still be discouraged to play especially when seeing uber-RMAH-geared toons 1-hitting everything in 4 players Inferno games, then asking them if it took them a long time to find said items, with the uber player replying "nah, bought @ RMAH lolz, played like 3 days on this toon lolz". Yeah must be fun knowing that the Demon Hunter next to you is being played by a guy who apparently doesn't want to progress with a challenge.

Meh...

Ultimately though, in retrospect, it's not that different from what happened with Diablo II and D2JSP, which one could argue that it (D2JSP) was just an unofficial "auction house" of sort. I've used that site myself for D2 trading for a time, since of course in-game trading in Diablo II was virtually non-existent, unless you could obviously find other D2JSP users and then en up trading via their forums anyway. Just like D3's auction house(s), one could just trade items there to receive the D2JSP's own currency, and never "have to" spend a real life dime for anything... or of course you could "donate" to D2JSP and in return receive 'x' amount of said currency to your account. That, or you could of course ignore D2JSP altogether and just "play on your own" forever, but doing that in D2 is making the game more of a chore than anything else, unless you play off-line and take the game with a grain of salt that happens to not be that much of a grain and is instead the size of our Sun.

With that said... despite D2JSP (which has existed since... many years) Diablo II is still going, perhaps even stronger than D3 as I type this. Heh maybe D3 will still be going "strong" despite the RMAH... who knows huh? Anyway, I can't wait to see someone posting a picture of their newly-bought HD television thanks to a few weeks (or days) worth of money made from RMAH transactions. Come to think of it I want new GPU, might as well just farm Inferno Act 1 to... ah crap never mind I leveled up a Barbarian, damn...

Why limit the price? why $20 vs let's say $200. Let those fool pay if they want to. People with enough intelligence already knows what D3 is all about - Big money machine for Blizzard to make money from RMAH. Let the morons have their fun and pay their money. They rather have some umber DH with gazillion DPS with some $100k gear, go for it. Whatever make their life happy. D3 is crap RMAH or not anyway. It strictly rely on some people's addictive behavior to get that umber gear to kill that umber elite, otherwise, there is really not much to the game.
 
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slayer202

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Nov 27, 2005
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If you don't have money or don't want to buy things, why bother whining? Enjoy the game the way you want to enjoy it.
 

Magusigne

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I think the RMAH is pretty neat.

Firstly, I don't care if people are playing to win. I'm not directly competing against them in this game (Until some sort of PvP). Let them pay.

I liked the idea of randomly stumbling upon something worth 250 USD, pretty neat! I can make real money from a drop legitmately. Blizzard is taking a cut, so it will be more likely to release micro content and expansions to keep the loot cycle going. Gold farmers have taken a small hit.

Everyone wins. There are no problems here.
 

Adrenaline

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Jun 12, 2005
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Seriously? You can't tell the difference between fantasy money and real money?



lol, won't decrease in value? what do you think this is? some investment? The only fool buying with real money is probably people thinking they can flip items for money. Classic bubble with thing with no real value. Oh well, maybe you cry enough after you lost your money, the US government will bail you out like everything else. Good luck.

Considering the fact that you can sell gold for real money, there is not a big difference between the two AH. Also, I do gaming as a hobby, one I don't plan on profiting off of, but one I want to enjoy. I have a gaming budget for myself. Instead of buying games, I can put more money towards Diablo.

The two items I bought were such a good price they won't go down any time soon that I could get what I paid for them back or really really close to it.

I am sorry that I work hard, pay my bills off, spoil my family and still have time to do whatever I want.

Since you are so concerned about my finances, I will worry about them with you when my famiy cruise happens next month or when we go to Disney World later this year.
 
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BadgerYou

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So people were originally buying gold for like $10/10 million gold (towards the end of the gold price market). Now people are buying items for $100-150 (not the norm but it happens). The question is, would they have purchased those items for 150 million gold? It would be interesting to see the psyche of people and if they think one seems more reasonable than the other. I would venture a guess people would rather spend $150 rather than "spend" 150 million gold they purchased. Which amazes me.
 
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