**OFFICIAL** Diablo 3 Thread

[Wardawg1001]

Any reason to choose two handed weapons or dual wield over one handed + shield, as a barbarian? The DPS seems only to increase slightly.

I think what a lot of people don't realize is that the VAST majority of abilities are effected by the damage of the weapon itself, NOT your dps. When I say the damage, I mean the number that appears directly under the Damage Per Second when you hover over a weapon. Almost all casted abilities are affected by your attack speed as well.

To showcase the importance of understanding these concepts, lets look at a Wizard. This Wizard wants his primary damage ability to be Arcane Orb and wants to maximize its damage potential. He has a couple choices:

1h + Source for his offhand gives him 10k dps
2h gives him 9k dps

Many just assume the 1h + Source is his best option. But he forgot to look at a few things.

His 1h weapon has a damage rating of 200-300, with a base attack speed of 1.4.

His 2h weapon has a damage rating of 400-500 with a base attack speed of 1.0.

So what happens is hes casting his Arcane Orbs faster but they are actually hitting for less damage than they would with the 2h weapon, because your SPELL damage is not based on your dps, its actually based on that damage rating. The end result is get less overall damage from your Arcane Power pool using the higher dps combo than you would using the slower but heavier hitting 2h weapon.

**Please note the damage numbers are completely made up**

Thats just one scenario of course.

For a long time with my Wizard I was using Electrocute is a primary damage source, and since it costs no resources, attack speed and high dps were a good thing.

A Barbarian who is built around surviving based on stealing hp through Life on Hit modifiers wants the fastest weapon he can find, because the more often he hits the more he heals. Dual wielding is also much more attractive for Life on Hit builds because you can essentially double the amount of life you steal per hit (all your life on hit modifiers add together and apply to EACH strike, not just whichever weapon you hit with), and dual wielding gives an innate 15% attack speed bonus.

I'm not even going to bother going in to the details around the advantages of using shields vs offhands, I think most of that is pretty well understood.

But yes, there is a difference between 1h and 2h weapons, and its a lot more complicated than just which one gives you the bigger DPS number on your character sheet.

 

[darkewaffle]

Neat, according to my email I sold something for $22.50 today, now if only I could remember what a "Precious Ruin" was lol.

 

[Imp]

Neat, according to my email I sold something for $22.50 today, now if only I could remember what a "Precious Ruin" was lol.

... I hate how they don't keep track of what the item was after you sell it. Only way I even have a hint of what I sold is by what price I set it at.

 

[ViviTheMage]

So if you sell something for cash, you always get an email on it?

 

[GrantMeThePower]

So for a demon hunter build, it would be more like the wizard example, right? A two handed bow/crossbow is better than two one handed xbows or a shield?

 

[MetalMat]

I think I am hanging up Diablo 3 for the moment, at least until patch 1.03 comes out. Act 2 and 3 of inferno is just tedious and not fun. I had fun getting to level 60 with my WD and DH.

After one of the vulture mobs flew overhead my DH for what seems likes hours then randomly landed and one shotted my 25k hp 2700 Armor guy I said screw it. I have decent gear but don't feel like shelling out 40 million gold just to make inferno tolerable.

 

[ViviTheMage]

I think I am hanging up Diablo 3 for the moment, at least until patch 1.03 comes out. Act 2 and 3 of inferno is just tedious and not fun. I had fun getting to level 60 with my WD and DH.

After one of the vulture mobs flew overhead my DH for what seems likes hours then randomly landed and one shotted my 25k hp 2700 Armor guy I said screw it. I have decent gear but don't feel like shelling out 40 million gold just to make inferno tolerable.

I have been getting good gear for 10k-40k ... surprisingly good gear. Just need to work the auction house, super simple.

 

[MetalMat]

I have been getting good gear for 10k-40k ... surprisingly good gear. Just need to work the auction house, super simple.

For what class?

 

[frowertr]

I have been getting good gear for 10k-40k ... surprisingly good gear. Just need to work the auction house, super simple.

I can't find anything for my WD that is under 500K for what my needs are. I soloed Inferno Act I but I won't even attempt Act II until 1.03 hits and I can actually find my gear myself instead of spending countless millions of gold in the AH.

 

[ViviTheMage]

For what class?

wizard

I think some people are thinking their gear sucks, so they list it really cheap...or they tried the high xxx,xxx mark and didn't sell and wanted to get something.

I got 3 pieces of gear last night... I can SS if you'd like, 10k for a dagger with 7xx dps, 2xx-4xx damage, 2xx intel, and 1xx vitalilty, and 1-2 other stats.

 

[frowertr]

This is what is funny...

If I was to give yo ua choice between:

A) Give you $10, but also give the person you hate most in the world $20
or
B) Give you both $0

Many people decide B over A, because they refuse to help someone they don't like more than thenselves, even though you still come out $10 more ahead.

I choose A, sure I will sell on the RMAH, but to me it is just a game and I will not buy on it.

Eh, its relative. Up the amount to $1000 and I start thinking harder about option A. $10 won't even buy me a lap dance...

 

[Wardawg1001]

I think I am hanging up Diablo 3 for the moment, at least until patch 1.03 comes out. Act 2 and 3 of inferno is just tedious and not fun. I had fun getting to level 60 with my WD and DH.

After one of the vulture mobs flew overhead my DH for what seems likes hours then randomly landed and one shotted my 25k hp 2700 Armor guy I said screw it. I have decent gear but don't feel like shelling out 40 million gold just to make inferno tolerable.

25k hp and 2700 armor is awful, you shouldn't even be considering A2 Inferno with those stats. By the way the vultures fly around until another ground mob shows up (that includes those stationary plant things that just explode when you walk by).

 

[Wardawg1001]

So for a demon hunter build, it would be more like the wizard example, right? A two handed bow/crossbow is better than two one handed xbows or a shield?

Sorry but I'm not sure, I haven't played a DH yet. Most classes have enough variety in their skills that you can build around any type you want (1h/offhand, 2h, dual wield). You really just have to look at which abilities you want to use and what they might benefit the most from. A general rule is if your dps depends mostly on skills that use up your limited resource (arcane power for wiz), then a harder hitting 2h weapon is usually best. This may not be the case for all builds though.

 

[shortylickens]

Eh, its relative. Up the amount to $1000 and I start thinking harder about option A. $10 won't even buy me a lap dance...

I'm old.
I remember when 10 bucks got you a lap dance. From a cute college slut.

 

[frowertr]

I'm old.
I remember when 10 bucks got you a lap dance. From a cute college slut.

Sadly, inflation affects all "professions".

 

[TridenT]

Played about 30 hours of this game. I haven't really been wanting to play anymore.

That must say something about the game... :/

 

[IeraseU]

I've been farming Inferno Act 1 hoping to get some drops to help me with Act 2. So far no luck, so I'm really looking forward to the next patch with adjusted drop rates.

Maybe I can actually group again. At Inferno for me soloing is a lot easier than grouping because with groups the enemies hit so much harder. Next patch they'll have more life, but won't hit any harder, which should make grouping viable again for me as a Barbarian.

 

[Udgnim]

I've been farming Inferno Act 1 hoping to get some drops to help me with Act 2. So far no luck, so I'm really looking forward to the next patch with adjusted drop rates.

Maybe I can actually group again. At Inferno for me soloing is a lot easier than grouping because with groups the enemies hit so much harder. Next patch they'll have more life, but won't hit any harder, which should make grouping viable again for me as a Barbarian.

the group damage nerf has already been applied

 

[IEC]

So for a demon hunter build, it would be more like the wizard example, right? A two handed bow/crossbow is better than two one handed xbows or a shield?

I have used both a sword and a shield, dual xbows, 2h bow, and 2h xbow as a DH.

I just use whatever gives me the highest min/max damage overall and crit chance, as I play a trap build using primarily Caltrops and Spike Traps (with scatter).

Crits for over 200K are pretty nice when all you are using is a cheapy 100k socketed 2h xbow ~900 "dps"

 

[IEC]

25k hp and 2700 armor is awful, you shouldn't even be considering A2 Inferno with those stats. By the way the vultures fly around until another ground mob shows up (that includes those stationary plant things that just explode when you walk by).

Don't get hit and it doesn't matter. My DH has less HP and about the same armor.

Although I guess it's easier to kite if you play a trap build like I started doing...

 

[MetalMat]

Don't get hit and it doesn't matter. My DH has less HP and about the same armor.

Although I guess it's easier to kite if you play a trap build like I started doing...

Well I hit a wall midway through act 2 and cannot proceed. I went back tonight for a last try, was kiting an elite mob for a while, got him down to maybe [ ] this much health, got killed. Get right back to him and he is totally regenerated, within less than 30 seconds. Guess Ill be playing something else till patch 1.03 gets implemented.

 

[fustercluck]

Played about 30 hours of this game. I haven't really been wanting to play anymore.

That must say something about the game... :/

Did you play/like either of the previous games in the series?

Still waiting for them to nerf inferno...nerferno! Playing a barb for fun but I don't see Barb's being a good end-game class. MMOs just tend to make ranged classes far superior. I could be wrong though, anyone have a level 60 barb that they enjoy playing and kicks arse?

 

[AznAnarchy99]

I cant even get to level 60. I get bored of doing the same campaign again ugh. I put a bunch of stuff on the AH for $5. Hopefully some sells lol.

 

[Feneant2]

Does anyone else think that they should make items bind when equip?

It's stupid in a way that every item generated by a loot oriented game can in theory stay in circulation forever. Within a year at this rate even the level 60 best items will sell for 1000 gold vs. 5 million because there will be tens of thousands floating around. It's like their RMAH , there is no way that model will sustain itself, I checked last night and there are already tons of items with a 1.25$ buyout which results in the seller making about 0.10$ if they cash out. Blizzard's 'cut' is beyond retarded, I am making 1-2$ on my legendary items after they take their commission. The only reason I keep using the RMAH is that it gives me 10 additional slots to sell when my gold slots are full.

So that said and done, if items would bind on equip, there would always be a market for the rarer items because as people upgrade, they'd need to destroy their old items at the blacksmith or sell them in game instead of just reselling what they bought a week before.

 

[Ben90]

Still waiting for them to nerf inferno...nerferno! Playing a barb for fun but I don't see Barb's being a good end-game class. MMOs just tend to make ranged classes far superior. I could be wrong though, anyone have a level 60 barb that they enjoy playing and kicks arse?

Interestingly enough, the barb has the most endgame potential for realistic players. That being said, the GG items needed to take you there are still a far cry away from what a casual gamer can get. I'd estimate about 25 million minimum spent wisely to start bringing him up to par with other classes.

Another large problem is the majority of people don't quite understand the best item builds. For example a Doom Hammer is the ONLY option for a GG two handed barb. When looking for a budget one on the AH, absolutely stay away from one that has IAS. It's only once you start reaching 1600+DPS weapon damage that weapon IAS becomes a useful modification for a barb. Remember your skills are based off the damage of a single hit of your weapon. I would estimate that the majority of builds rely on 1 handed weapons, but the above was an example how things might seem counter intuitive at times.

That said, the DH without a doubt has the most potential of any class when played perfectly. SS and vault are just asking to be abused by bots. I just don't believe an actual person would be able to play a DH well enough to outclass a barb aside from ez farming times.