**OFFICIAL** Diablo 3 Thread

[Adrenaline]

Doesn't matter, if they tried to fix it how the complainers want it, others will complain on top of that.

The are a few changes that could be made and cut the complaints down greatly. Just look over at the battlenet forums, some stuff is entertaining, and you will see a consistent 4-6 things that could significantly improve the game.

 

[Aikouka]

I am curious if anyone complaining about the lack of testing on Diablo III actually has any software engineering experience.

 

[Oakenfold]

I am curious if anyone complaining about the lack of testing on Diablo III actually has any software engineering experience.

You don't need actual software engineering experience to know they are epicly failing to implement a long term business model that should have been D3.

But if you are looking to validate the credibility of statements made by people. <---Certified Information Systems Auditor.

+1 to your humor sir! Love it!

 

[waggy]

I am curious if anyone complaining about the lack of testing on Diablo III actually has any software engineering experience.

LOL you don't need software engineering experience to know they released a very unpolished game. For a blizzard product it sucks ass.

reminds me of the hellgate london. just a crappy game.

 

[Aikouka]

LOL you don't need software engineering experience to know they released a very unpolished game. For a blizzard product it sucks ass.

You don't need actual software engineering experience to know they are epicly failing to implement a long term business model that should have been D3.

But if you are looking to validate the credibility of statements made by people. <---Certified Information Systems Auditor.

Based on both of your posts, it sounds like you're misunderstanding what I'm getting at. I'm not talking about a long-term business model. I'm referring to how people are surprised that something such as the archon invulnerability bug made it through testing.

 

[Adrenaline]

I love the stuff people come up with:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6146816340#11

 

[waterjug]

wtf? Did they change something? I actually felt like playing this evening, was going to do a butcher run....get in, clear halls of agony...0 elite packs....get into the jail.....0 elite packs????? Figure I fucked something up so I reload....same deal. So I actually feel like playing for a change, and something's fucked up. 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Good job Blizzard. I'll never buy another product from these pieces of shit.

 

[darkxshade]

Based on both of your posts, it sounds like you're misunderstanding what I'm getting at. I'm not talking about a long-term business model. I'm referring to how people are surprised that something such as the archon invulnerability bug made it through testing.

That's not what people are complaining about really... most of the complaints I see and understandably so is how they can seemingly let this go unnoticed since launch. The barb one that went public today was mentioned in the support/bug forums over a month ago.

So I dunno... I would think/hope they'd have some in house metric/flagging/detection in place that would alert the Devs when a player has done something extraordinary to the point of impossibility. Like if player x killed 50 packs in a row over a 2 hour span without dying where they could then monitor said player and document the bug, ban him and apply a fix. But no, these things are left unchecked until it goes viral. That is just lazy and shows a lack of foresight IMO.

 

[Oakenfold]

Based on both of your posts, it sounds like you're misunderstanding what I'm getting at. I'm not talking about a long-term business model. I'm referring to how people are surprised that something such as the archon invulnerability bug made it through testing.

Gotcha, you are right I took the meaning of your post incorrectly. I really don't think the one bug in itself is that big of a deal and am not shocked to see it made it live.

This bug is just one example to support the overlying problem (there have been many hotfixes correcting exploits/server stability etc.). When you consider the overall issue that Blizzard has (the lack of functioning key controls in software development) i see how it made it through testing (or lack thereof).

In conjunction with the lack of a sense of urgency to fix core gameplay issues (1.03 was when?) and smoke and mirrors from Blizzard Management (see Morhaim's post- spelling?) the community is losing/has lost faith in Blizzard to continue to function as a key player in game development.

For some reason I do keep periodically reading the general forums, hoping that they will deploy a patch soon that will address many of the outstanding issues the community has provided feedback on.

 

[darkxshade]

hoping that they will deploy a patch soon that will address many of the outstanding issues the community has provided feedback on.

that's a good one

 

[Oakenfold]

that's a good one

I agree, I've come to the conclusion that they are in total denial!

 

[Adrenaline]

wtf? Did they change something? I actually felt like playing this evening, was going to do a butcher run....get in, clear halls of agony...0 elite packs....get into the jail.....0 elite packs????? Figure I fucked something up so I reload....same deal. So I actually feel like playing for a change, and something's fucked up. 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Good job Blizzard. I'll never buy another product from these pieces of shit.

I had the happen in act 3 after having 5 stacks. I could not find a champion pack or elite for thirty minutes. I logged out and just shut it down.

 

[Adrenaline]

N/m

 

[Olikan]

LOL, blizzard managed to give god mode in a moster...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX5LvOZt2C0&feature=player_embedded

 

[Aikouka]

That's not what people are complaining about really... most of the complaints I see and understandably so is how they can seemingly let this go unnoticed since launch.

"Complain" may not be the best word... maybe "mock"? In other words, I can't really fault them for not finding a random bug like that. I don't know how Blizzard's testing works (their process), but in my experience testing software, you would probably only find a bug like that by accident.

Chances are that they simply never saw the bug before people made it known. Now...

The barb one that went public today was mentioned in the support/bug forums over a month ago.

I'm guessing that while it's not a good bug for balance, the bug isn't a showstopper. Like I said, I don't know Blizzard's process, but in my experience, all issues are given priorities. If I were to give that Barbarian bug a priority level from 1 (major) to 5 (very minor), I would probably give it a 4.

Being a software guy, hearing about bugs like this usually intrigues me. It's interesting to think about what could be causing it. My assumption is that it's probably pretty easy to fix. What's most likely happening is that the Furious Charge rune places a buff (it's most likely invisible) on you that provides a benefit such as health on hit, etc. Well, that buff is normally removed when your move is ended either normally or forcefully (stun, vortex, etc.) My guess is that when the server forces you into a cutscene, it may stop you from moving, but it either doesn't do it properly (like what would happen if your move finished naturally) or it fails to check for buffs.

That would explain why using Furious Charge again screws it up and why dying gets rid of it. Although, I do wonder what would happen if you bugged your character with one rune and swapped it. I kind of doubt that the code is designed to look for any buff for the ability, so it might ignore the permanent one. It being a persistent buff like I mentioned also explains why it works on all damage.

In conjunction with the lack of a sense of urgency to fix core gameplay issues (1.03 was when?) and smoke and mirrors from Blizzard Management (see Morhaim's post- spelling?) the community is losing/has lost faith in Blizzard to continue to function as a key player in game development.

I guess a lot of that makes me wonder... what's taking them so long to make some of these decisions on the game? I guess we shouldn't be surprised with how long it's taking. We saw how many times they changed things over the course of the beta and even between BlizzCon events.

In some ways, it felt like they just could never make up their mind.

 

[Imp]

wtf? Did they change something? I actually felt like playing this evening, was going to do a butcher run....get in, clear halls of agony...0 elite packs....get into the jail.....0 elite packs????? Figure I fucked something up so I reload....same deal. So I actually feel like playing for a change, and something's fucked up. 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Good job Blizzard. I'll never buy another product from these pieces of shit.

... Did a few butcher runs along with clearing swathes of Act 1 to take advantage of my 5 stack nv. I noticed a few dungeons I haven't seen before, or at least not in a long time, in Field of Misery, Southern Highlands, and Northern Highlands. Highlands Cave and Decrepid Crypt?

And my shit is suddenly selling again after I got rid of all the questionable stuff, and only auctioned stuff I would buy.

 

[mashimaroo]

Hardcore Death from lag NOOOOOOO.. lost 6 mil in gear time. Time to farm again or quit..

 

[fustercluck]

Hardcore Death from lag NOOOOOOO.. lost 6 mil in gear time. Time to farm again or quit..

that sucks :X

I've also been noticing lag spikes over the past week or so.

 

[flexy]

LOL you don't need software engineering experience to know they released a very unpolished game. For a blizzard product it sucks ass.

reminds me of the hellgate london. just a crappy game.

This is funny, because i cannot not at all agree with D3 being "unpolished". In fact, for a game..even shortly after release (minus the initial server problems) D3 is actually a game i'd call VERY polished.

People are obviously not aware that a game with millions of lines of code simply cannot be "perfect" right from the start - and it's logical/mathematical not really predictable what people will do once a game is released in terms of exploiting and gaming "game mechanics", things which are impossible to predict (IMHO) also amidst rather limited beta testing.

My experience also shows that MOST people who are complaining and crying, eg. on the blizzard forums, are doing this MOSTLY because of some simple reasons: #1 GREED (I want, i need, ME, ME, ME, "i feel like i have a disadvantage and the others don't", "why cant i finish inferno right away with my shit gear" ....expecting ANYTHING handed to them with minimal effort etc..etc..) - the huge majority of complaints are not based on anything substantial, rather EMOTIONAL and serving only one purpose: The benefit of whoever is voicing their complaints

Like in WoW where for years basically ANY class is complaining that THEIR class needs to be buffed while ANY OTHER class needs to be nerfed...etc..etc..

So..they found a glitch/bug....so what? Is this extremely surprising? Other games dont have bugs and glitches?

Complaining about non-issues like "always online", "cant login at the day of release", server maintenance on tuesday, "this or that player can do that i cannot" - "i got scammed by this or that person", "this or that is unfair" "why do i need to spend 50M on gear to beat inferno", "i got disconnected" due to whatever internet problems, "my 14 year old son was just scammed by another player", "why are items so expensive in the AH"..why does it take so long to farm gold, why i cant i make millions anymore by breaking vases AND SO ON AND SO ON.

Those things are all meaningless, again having nothing to do with the game or the game "being polished" but simple coming from people who expect everything with little effort only driven by greed - the few meaningful and constructive, "real" complaints you can actually count on one hand.

If a severe bug is found, they *do* actually fix them, and despite the zillions of whining people on the forum blizzard is actually taking user opinions seriously and occasionally do changes to accommodate those wishes....in WoW but also in D3.

I am not stating that there is no things which can be improved, because, heck yes, there are ZILLIONS....but this just to voice my opinion that i am so sick of this endless whining about how bad the game is etc..etc. because its so simple to just look behind the facade of most people who complain - to realize the reason behind this is most of the time only for the benefit of the one complaining, like the kid in the candy store crying to their mommy because because it wants that lolly pop she doesn't get him.

 

[Adrenaline]

This is funny, because i cannot not at all agree with D3 being "unpolished". In fact, for a game..even shortly after release (minus the initial server problems) D3 is actually a game i'd call VERY polished.

People are obviously not aware that a game with millions of lines of code simply cannot be "perfect" right from the start - and it's logical/mathematical not really predictable what people will do once a game is released in terms of exploiting and gaming "game mechanics", things which are impossible to predict (IMHO) also amidst rather limited beta testing.

My experience also shows that MOST people who are complaining and crying, eg. on the blizzard forums, are doing this MOSTLY because of some simple reasons: #1 GREED (I want, i need, ME, ME, ME, "i feel like i have a disadvantage and the others don't", "why cant i finish inferno right away with my shit gear" ....expecting ANYTHING handed to them with minimal effort etc..etc..) - the huge majority of complaints are not based on anything substantial, rather EMOTIONAL and serving only one purpose: The benefit of whoever is voicing their complaints

Like in WoW where for years basically ANY class is complaining that THEIR class needs to be buffed while ANY OTHER class needs to be nerfed...etc..etc..

So..they found a glitch/bug....so what? Is this extremely surprising? Other games dont have bugs and glitches?

Complaining about non-issues like "always online", "cant login at the day of release", server maintenance on tuesday, "this or that player can do that i cannot" - "i got scammed by this or that person", "this or that is unfair" "why do i need to spend 50M on gear to beat inferno", "i got disconnected" due to whatever internet problems, "my 14 year old son was just scammed by another player", "why are items so expensive in the AH"..why does it take so long to farm gold, why i cant i make millions anymore by breaking vases AND SO ON AND SO ON.

Those things are all meaningless, again having nothing to do with the game or the game "being polished" but simple coming from people who expect everything with little effort only driven by greed - the few meaningful and constructive, "real" complaints you can actually count on one hand.

If a severe bug is found, they *do* actually fix them, and despite the zillions of whining people on the forum blizzard is actually taking user opinions seriously and occasionally do changes to accommodate those wishes....in WoW but also in D3.

I am not stating that there is no things which can be improved, because, heck yes, there are ZILLIONS....but this just to voice my opinion that i am so sick of this endless whining about how bad the game is etc..etc. because its so simple to just look behind the facade of most people who complain - to realize the reason behind this is most of the time only for the benefit of the one complaining, like the kid in the candy store crying to their mommy because because it wants that lolly pop she doesn't get him.

This game is not polished at all. In fact it is so far from it that it is sad. I enjoy this game but even I can see the see it has flaws. How about reading through some valid complaints before trying to praise this 60 percent finished game as being polished. LoD was more polished than this, that should be the blueprint for this game. Read through the complaints to see people miss things from LoD that were actually good. Not everything about it was good but it had a lot of stuff in it hat should have been in this game and it wasn't.

Polished, I laughed.

Archon exploit
Charge exploit (Blizzard was informed of this over a month ago supposedly but they know about it now for sure, so much for fixing these quickly like you tried to point out they do)
DH health bug when smoke screened
Invulnerable minions bug when they are far apart
Horrid drop rates of set items / legendaries
Legendaries being pathetic mostly
Botters galore and they worry about vase breaking for gold / chest farming for items

There was a list of bugs I saw on Blizzard's own forums that has been updated as new ones are found. Call this game a good / decent game but it is far from polished.

A guy from Europe made a list of 100 improveable items with this game and I read his entire set of posts as he put in details behind each one. Over 90% made sense but it won't get put into this game. I am tired of reading where people suggest to wait for he exp pack. You shouldn't have to, this game had a solid blueprint and they had more than four years of working on it.

 

[lupi]

If it's being greedy to not want all this game lag in my solo game, or to be able to play it on a Tuesday, I'll be greedy.

 

[EDUSAN]

i found this ilvl 63 chest that i think its pretty cool, please tell me for how much gold/$ can i sell it...

CHEST ARMOR
110 Dex
50 vit
150 life regen
50 poison resistance
50 resist to all
3 sockets

edit: now i can remember if the vit and dext are swapped. if it was 110 dext or vit and 50 vit or dext

 

[ScottAD]

i found this ilvl 63 chest that i think its pretty cool, please tell me for how much gold/$ can i sell it...

CHEST ARMOR
110 Dex
50 vit
150 life regen
50 poison resistance
50 resist to all
3 sockets

edit: now i can remember if the vit and dext are swapped. if it was 110 dext or vit and 50 vit or dext

If the vit is 110 that would be nice for a barb. If it's dex then a DH or Monk could use.

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[bonkers325]

i found this ilvl 63 chest that i think its pretty cool, please tell me for how much gold/$ can i sell it...

CHEST ARMOR
110 Dex
50 vit
150 life regen
50 poison resistance
50 resist to all
3 sockets

edit: now i can remember if the vit and dext are swapped. if it was 110 dext or vit and 50 vit or dext

probably worth a few mil to a poison stacking monk

 

[EDUSAN]

yes, i know...im just asking for price check