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Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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My Barbarian just isn't all that fun to play anymore, so I've pretty much been ignoring Act V. In regard to him, I think I might just need to completely switch his spec around, because he just takes so much damage. Albeit, I didn't die during my limited time in Act V, but I did get down far in health a few times. I figure that I might just need to go sword-n-board versus 2H. I might just need to drop Leap from my active skills (even though it's so much darn fun) and finally switch so I have a single target ability along with a multi target (cleave) and Rend (heals me).

Just started a crusader. Seems a bit week early on with the limited skills. Bought some gear from the crafter though and that made him a bit OP feeling even with no skills though.

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Crusader is really slow until 70, and then he is a lot of fun. And you will get a ton of Mighty Belts. I get, at the very least, 5 per inventory fill. It is incredibly stupid.


Anyway, I mention the Barbarian because I've mostly been playing my Crusader, and I don't think it's slow at all. Shield Bash with the first rune is really good for AoE DPS, and it can even be used for closing the gap as there's a minor charge mechanic. My only complaint is that the charge mechanic is sooooo buggy. If the enemy moves at all, you will not hit them with the Shield Bash. I also use that chain whip thing for AoE DPS. As for AoE DPS, I also have the rune that makes me explode when I block, and I combined that with the passive that gives me +30% block chance with 4+ enemies around me. That block chance increase also affects my Shield Bash damage.

I tried 2H + Shield with the Crusader, but I just didn't find it that much more potent and worthwhile considering I gave up a Passive to do it (and it slows you down) and the damage difference wasn't that great.

As for my other abilities, I just use the default Wrath generator. I haven't really tried any of the others yet. I use the blind with the +damage rune. It has such a short cooldown, and it's fairly effective at keeping tough enemies at bay. I'm only level 20, so I just kept the Dragoon-wannabe ability for the last slot.

I also haven't gotten a single Mighty Belt yet! Of course, now that I say that, I will get an umpteen amount of them. I do get other class-designated loot from time to time, but it's not terribly common. I actually got an item that was an upgrade for my Demon Hunter (a few levels below my Crusader), so I wasn't complaining!
 
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Stuka87

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Crusader is really slow until 70, and then he is a lot of fun. And you will get a ton of Mighty Belts. I get, at the very least, 5 per inventory fill. It is incredibly stupid.



I've been told, can anyone confirm, that the new Ice Climbers make you immune to movement impairing effects such as frozen. You still take the damage, but you just don't get stunned.

I have heard the same re: Ice Climbers. I am running a legacy set, wanting to find a new set. Freezing is the only reason my Crusader dies currently.
 

Stuka87

Diamond Member
Dec 10, 2010
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My Barbarian just isn't all that fun to play anymore, so I've pretty much been ignoring Act V. In regard to him, I think I might just need to completely switch his spec around, because he just takes so much damage. Albeit, I didn't die during my limited time in Act V, but I did get down far in health a few times. I figure that I might just need to go sword-n-board versus 2H. I might just need to drop Leap from my active skills (even though it's so much darn fun) and finally switch so I have a single target ability along with a multi target (cleave) and Rend (heals me).

Anyway, I've mostly been playing my Crusader, and I don't think it's slow at all. Shield Bash with the first rune is really good for AoE DPS, and it can even be used for closing the gap as there's a minor charge mechanic. My only complaint is that the charge mechanic is sooooo buggy. If the enemy moves at all, you will not hit them with the Shield Bash. I also use that chain whip thing for AoE DPS. As for AoE DPS, I also have the rune that makes me explode when I block, and I combined that with the passive that gives me +30% block chance with 4+ enemies around me. That block chance increase also affects my Shield Bash damage.

I tried 2H + Shield with the Crusader, but I just didn't find it that much more potent and worthwhile considering I gave up a Passive to do it (and it slows you down) and the damage difference wasn't that great.

As for my other abilities, I just use the default Wrath generator. I haven't really tried any of the others yet. I use the blind with the +damage rune. It has such a short cooldown, and it's fairly effective at keeping tough enemies at bay. I'm only level 20, so I just kept the Dragoon-wannabe ability for the last slot.

I gave up on my Barbarian, switched to a Crusader and not looking back.
 

Rhezuss

Diamond Member
Jan 31, 2006
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My Barbarian just isn't all that fun to play anymore, so I've pretty much been ignoring Act V. In regard to him, I think I might just need to completely switch his spec around, because he just takes so much damage. Albeit, I didn't die during my limited time in Act V, but I did get down far in health a few times. I figure that I might just need to go sword-n-board versus 2H. I might just need to drop Leap from my active skills (even though it's so much darn fun) and finally switch so I have a single target ability along with a multi target (cleave) and Rend (heals me).

Anyway, I mention the Barbarian because I've mostly been playing my Crusader, and I don't think it's slow at all. Shield Bash with the first rune is really good for AoE DPS, and it can even be used for closing the gap as there's a minor charge mechanic. My only complaint is that the charge mechanic is sooooo buggy. If the enemy moves at all, you will not hit them with the Shield Bash. I also use that chain whip thing for AoE DPS. As for AoE DPS, I also have the rune that makes me explode when I block, and I combined that with the passive that gives me +30% block chance with 4+ enemies around me. That block chance increase also affects my Shield Bash damage.

I tried 2H + Shield with the Crusader, but I just didn't find it that much more potent and worthwhile considering I gave up a Passive to do it (and it slows you down) and the damage difference wasn't that great.

As for my other abilities, I just use the default Wrath generator. I haven't really tried any of the others yet. I use the blind with the +damage rune. It has such a short cooldown, and it's fairly effective at keeping tough enemies at bay. I'm only level 20, so I just kept the Dragoon-wannabe ability for the last slot.

I also haven't gotten a single Mighty Belt yet! Of course, now that I say that, I will get an umpteen amount of them. I do get other class-designated loot from time to time, but it's not terribly common. I actually got an item that was an upgrade for my Demon Hunter (a few levels below my Crusader), so I wasn't complaining!

Yeah the Barb feels weirdly fragile and frail most of the time. I started Act V on T1 and dropped to Master...sometimes dropping to Expert for bosses. But as I play i'm lucky enough to get some nice upgrades and he feels a bit more powerful now.

I use:

- Cleave/Broad Sweep : coupled with my Schafer's Hammer + Thundergod's Vigor for electricity damage boosting)
- Rend/Lacerate : really powerful DoT
- Ancient Spear/Boulder Toss : freshly replaced Leap for that skill...pure awesomeness. You can dish out tremendous damage when at full Rage (my low-par Barb can do 2.5M-3M dmg on crit to all ennemies in a 9 yard radius at full Rage)
- Revenge/Bloodlaw : The healing from this is really useful and the DPS is quite nice too.
- Battle Rage/Marauder's Rage : The passive buff in DPS is nice (+15% dmg and +3% crit). I might replace it soon for something else with more direct DPS...i'll see.
- Wrath of the Berserker/Insanity : Greatly boost your attack speed and overall DPS and healing. Awesome for bossea and elite fights.

You should maybe check to replace some skills and see how your Barb is doing, could be worth the try.
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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I am afraid to play my barb, as he is reliant on LS and damage output. =( Even in 2.0, I did fine after swapping to a rend build (I would decimate T6 CotA with ease), but, I think in a real, no farming scenario I wouldn't fair as well.


Also, I got my ring last night that lowers the set bonus requirement by 1 finally. It only took like 30 or so Act 1 caches (and I got it on the very last one I opened). Thankfully, it wasn't awful and I could fit it into my gear. Now, I just have to find some set pieces! I've only found one so far and it was for Crusader.
 

akahoovy

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I've seen very little in the way of set pieces since I got to 70. Kind of a shame because I keep running T1 hoping for one of the new set pieces to drop.
 

Stuka87

Diamond Member
Dec 10, 2010
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I've seen very little in the way of set pieces since I got to 70. Kind of a shame because I keep running T1 hoping for one of the new set pieces to drop.

I have found a lot of 60 set pieces, but not a single 61+ set piece.
 

smackababy

Lifer
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I've "seen" a good bit, but that is from other people getting them. I've only found one so far, but I imagine more will come.

Also, for any 700k+ DPS guys, running Manglemaw on T6 is supposed to be where it's at for legendary drops, you just need the DPS to do it.
 

darkewaffle

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My friends did some Manglemaw, I think they got 'some' legendaries but I don't know that it ended up being particularly lucrative overall. I enjoy just playing the game more, too much of something like that would definitely cause burnout.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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I gave up on my Barbarian, switched to a Crusader and not looking back.

Yeah, I'm liking the Crusader so far. I was actually have too easy of a time, so I jacked my difficulty up to Hard. Now, I run into plenty of champion packs and named enemies, and they sometimes provide a little challenge.

Yeah the Barb feels weirdly fragile and frail most of the time. I started Act V on T1 and dropped to Master...sometimes dropping to Expert for bosses. But as I play i'm lucky enough to get some nice upgrades and he feels a bit more powerful now.

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You should maybe check to replace some skills and see how your Barb is doing, could be worth the try.

Yeah, I think if you were to look at my setup (I'd link it if I were at my PC), you would probably say "you're too buff-heavy". I think slots 2-4 are all buffs/debuffs. I have Threatening Shout, Battle Rage, and that other damage-increasing one (not Wrath of the Berserker). That's why I'm thinking about sacrificing Leap and maybe Threatening Shout. I do like Threatening Shout as it serves to lower the damage that I take.

One of my qualms with the game's setup is that the game throws a ton of bosses at you up to the boss, which makes you focus a bit more on AoE, but then at a boss, there usually aren't many adds. So, you need to make sure you can avoid being overwhelmed, but not limit your single target potential. I think this is why I end up so hurt with the Barbarian... the lack of skill exclusions (e.g. only one Mantra) makes me flood my character with beneficial buffs/debuffs, but I lose out on a good toolkit of damage-dealing abilities.
 

Rhezuss

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Yeah, I'm liking the Crusader so far. I was actually have too easy of a time, so I jacked my difficulty up to Hard. Now, I run into plenty of champion packs and named enemies, and they sometimes provide a little challenge.



Yeah, I think if you were to look at my setup (I'd link it if I were at my PC), you would probably say "you're too buff-heavy". I think slots 2-4 are all buffs/debuffs. I have Threatening Shout, Battle Rage, and that other damage-increasing one (not Wrath of the Berserker). That's why I'm thinking about sacrificing Leap and maybe Threatening Shout. I do like Threatening Shout as it serves to lower the damage that I take.

One of my qualms with the game's setup is that the game throws a ton of bosses at you up to the boss, which makes you focus a bit more on AoE, but then at a boss, there usually aren't many adds. So, you need to make sure you can avoid being overwhelmed, but not limit your single target potential. I think this is why I end up so hurt with the Barbarian... the lack of skill exclusions (e.g. only one Mantra) makes me flood my character with beneficial buffs/debuffs, but I lose out on a good toolkit of damage-dealing abilities.

IMO you have too many buffs. You should relaly just keep one, preferable Battle Rage and replace the rest with damage skills. Revenge, Whirlwing, WotB, Ancient Spear...anything that you enjoy and feels right for you.

You should see quite a difference in the fun factor and power of your Barb.
 

Qbah

Diamond Member
Oct 18, 2005
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Man this expansion is fun Found a Thunderfury on my way to 70 and it's insane

Running my barb with:
- revenge/fire dmg
- HP shout + HP regen
- sprint + tornado
- wrath of berserker
- frenzy/lightning
- whirlwind/lightning

And I'm tearing things apart in T1 So much fun! 3+ enemies and I can WW forever (and can do sprinting all the time!), procing TF left and right, single enemy dps is excellent thanks to frenzy. And the stuns happen a lot too, also from the weapon

So much fun!

EDIT: Also, I probably got around 12-15 legendaries now, one of the bounties boss dropped two :awe: Also 2 set items. Loving it!
 
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smackababy

Lifer
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IMO you have too many buffs. You should relaly just keep one, preferable Battle Rage and replace the rest with damage skills. Revenge, Whirlwing, WotB, Ancient Spear...anything that you enjoy and feels right for you.

You should see quite a difference in the fun factor and power of your Barb.

I doubt it. Having active skills outside of your RMB / LMB on a barb is kind of a waste. Especially, if you played a barb pre 2.0. Even post 2.0, I did just fine with Rend / WW on my mouse and the rest as buffs / fury generators.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Real fun is going with a mostly cold wiz and then running into that boss that is cold immune. Yeah, wonder if my templar +black hole can kill it on their own.
 

smackababy

Lifer
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I love being in a group with a wiz running black hole. It is just amazing for them to suck in a group of elites so I can cluster shot them all for 6 mil crits. >_<
 

lupi

Lifer
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With my mirror ball, magic missile with freeze effect, blizzard with increased damage, black hole with either bigger damage or removing elite affects, force weapon, and one of the shields and either diamond skin or teleport. For passive using +cold damage, the one that gives buffs when stationary, dominance, and can't recall the last but think it was glass canon.
 
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Ok, so I should be getting my copy of the game in today. Should I try to beat Malthiel on a higher difficulty level in order to get a better guaranteed legendary drop? And should I be level 70 when I kill him the first time?
 

smackababy

Lifer
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Ok, so I should be getting my copy of the game in today. Should I try to beat Malthiel on a higher difficulty level in order to get a better guaranteed legendary drop? And should I be level 70 when I kill him the first time?

You will get a legendary drop on any difficulty the first time you defeat Malthael. I would recommend being 70 when you do it, otherwise, the legendary isn't going to be something you hold on to for a good while. Unless you're skipping content, you should hit 70 by the time you go through Act 5 anyway. It is fairly long and filled with mobs.
 

Rhezuss

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You will get a legendary drop on any difficulty the first time you defeat Malthael. I would recommend being 70 when you do it, otherwise, the legendary isn't going to be something you hold on to for a good while. Unless you're skipping content, you should hit 70 by the time you go through Act 5 anyway. It is fairly long and filled with mobs.

Yeah, I started the xpac at level 62 and i'm now 69 after beating
Adria and starting the quest to gather the runes for the battering ram with Imperius.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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I was about 69.5 when I killed him. Got a 69 legendary wep that should be fairly awesome once I have a high enough of a barb.
 

silverpig

Lifer
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I've found one or two pieces from blackthorne's set, and the one pair of boots from Vyr's set.

Oh, and a litany of the undaunted, if that counts.
 
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