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Malladine

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still haven't found a goblin portal - Deni you're 70 now right? I assume you beat Malthael pretty easily?

I did so on the demon hunter at lvl 57 on hard. Wasn't a challenge at all.

So I upped to Expert for adventure mode and have done a few bounties and a couple rifts so far. Interesting, very random which is fun. MAJOR upgrades once I hit 60...like I went from around 20k to 90k damage in 1 hour of play time.

Blood shards seem a waste of time??
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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still haven't found a goblin portal - Deni you're 70 now right? I assume you beat Malthael pretty easily?

I did so on the demon hunter at lvl 57 on hard. Wasn't a challenge at all.

So I upped to Expert for adventure mode and have done a few bounties and a couple rifts so far. Interesting, very random which is fun. MAJOR upgrades once I hit 60...like I went from around 20k to 90k damage in 1 hour of play time.

Blood shards seem a waste of time??

blood shards are great. i have gotten 2 set pieces.
 

waggy

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Melee characters kinda suck in this game now. You run into an electrified mob with out the lightning immune ammy, and you're dead. I don't know if Blizz play tests their own game sometimes.

or mobs that have the chain, or mobs that have the spinning thing of doom.


yeah melee sucks. but it's fun!
 

Qbah

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Melee characters kinda suck in this game now. You run into an electrified mob with out the lightning immune ammy, and you're dead. I don't know if Blizz play tests their own game sometimes.

So a shield can't block those anymore? My crusader was laughing each time electrified or fire chains were rolled on an elite...
 

jruchko

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Hey waggy I just want to let you know that after testing the 4 piece Roland's set it is complete garbage. If you are already doing T4 I wouldn't even bother with it. (I am Woot btw)
 

sweenish

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It's complete garbage, but you only tested 4 piece?

Six piece gives you up to +100% attack speed. Were you using sweep or shield bash? If shield bash, do you have a piro marella? Some more information is needed.

I imagine that being able to drop bosses stupid fast using shield bash/pound would be very doable with roland's set.

using bash/cross on mobs should also prove pretty fabulous.

I can see it maybe not working as great in grifts since you can't switch skills around, but the cross should be plenty powerful. I'm leveling a crusader with friends, so it will be a good while before I get to even start looking for end-game set items. I'm just not convinced that the set is garbage, especially when you're only talking about an incomplete set.
 

digiram

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or mobs that have the chain, or mobs that have the spinning thing of doom.


yeah melee sucks. but it's fun!

Most of all affixes are ok. Like when I use my monk, I can dash away from trouble easily, but you just can't touch electricity AT ALL!! I've thought about using deadly reach instead of way of hundred fist. Might do it tonight. I'm using the sunwoko build, so all I need my primary to do is regen spirit for me.

I get that electrified was cake back then, but it's always one extreme to another when they "fix" something.
 

jruchko

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It's complete garbage, but you only tested 4 piece?

Six piece gives you up to +100% attack speed. Were you using sweep or shield bash? If shield bash, do you have a piro marella? Some more information is needed.


I tested 4 piece because that is all I have on a seasonal character and he mentioned he had a few pieces, but not all. I also tested sweep because shield bash just feels bad to use, kind of like furious charge for barbs (haven't played barb since patch, so I don't know how it is right now). I feel like testing just the 4 piece is perfectly acceptable because its mainly about seeing how much damage you do with the abilities, once you know the number you can just double it to know your dps at full stacks with a full set.

I will say this though, with just Gyrfalcon's Foote and Jekangbord you can easily outperform a 4 piece Roland's. I also don't think 6 piece would be that much better, I was mainly testing the damage, and even without the increased attack speed I was having issues with wrath, and that is with 35%+ CDR, unstoppable force laws of valor, and ~27% RCR. Even from what I am reading on the forums if you want to use Roland's you are better off using 3 pieces with 3 pieces of Akkhans and a RoRG.

I think I might have the plan for the shield you mentioned and I will test shield bash tonight and report back to the thread.

I imagine that being able to drop bosses stupid fast using shield bash/pound would be very doable with roland's set.

using bash/cross on mobs should also prove pretty fabulous.

I can see it maybe not working as great in grifts since you can't switch skills around, but the cross should be plenty powerful. I'm leveling a crusader with friends, so it will be a good while before I get to even start looking for end-game set items. I'm just not convinced that the set is garbage, especially when you're only talking about an incomplete set.

The set is just pretty bad in general because the full bonus doesn't allow you to drop your primary. I see no benefit at all over Akkhans set. The 4 piece is good for about T2-T3. You can go higher if you have dual unity + immortal follower but at those torment levels primaries are a liability and it wouldn't be efficient at all. They just don't do enough damage.

TL;DR - You simply cannot move up past about torment 3 and be efficient if you still have to use primaries, and the full set bonus will force you to keep a primary.

EDIT: From doing some more reading/watching videos it seems there are a few people who still use primary attacks at higher torment levels, but they are not nearly as effective as the people who can drop the primary completely.
 
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waggy

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Hey waggy I just want to let you know that after testing the 4 piece Roland's set it is complete garbage. If you are already doing T4 I wouldn't even bother with it. (I am Woot btw)

that sucks. hopefully a full set is better.
 

McLovin

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Big thanks to Mir and Fallenhero for the runs last night. Really appreciate it guys!
 

jruchko

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I was wrong with my previous assessment of the Roland's set. With the Piro Marella shield you can drop a Primary. I have to say that this set is pretty good until you get full Akkhans. Sweep still blows though, and this set doesn't change that fact.

I apologize for my previous error.
 

Denithor

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Yep, I now have my first level 70 HC character. Made it there before the Malthael fight, the legendaries that dropped were 70, but useless IIRC.

Boy did my RNG luck change tonight...

Found three pairs of goblins in the first three bounty areas I went into in Act 1. Third pair gave me a portal into The Vault, where I cleaned up, about 7M gold (I'm only running Hard to get the RoRG), tons of Imperial gems and two more legendaries from the Baroness.

Then, running the fourth bounty, opened a regular old chest...two legendary swords drop! Neither one particularly useful, but dang!! Two at once from a regular chest!

Then, I'm working my way through hordes of skeletons on my way to the Skeleton King in the fifth bounty...a legendary ring drops from a common skeleton.

And all of this was within about an hour.

Of the bunch, only the ring is an upgrade from what I've already got. But the rest will allow me to do some crafting, which I have not been able to do due to lack of mats.
 

pandemonium

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This weekend was amazing for me; had such a blast and got so much accomplished in game on my monk that I couldn't be pulled away.

The breakdown:
  • 3x Thunderfury's (1 rolled pretty nicely and I'm using on Lightning, one rolled for str, and the 3rd was pewp)
  • 2x Shards of Hate (both rolled well, one for lightning, other will be for cold)
  • 1x The Witching Hour (rolled well; my second - gave to my brother)
  • Got about 140 levels on legendary gems
  • Got about 40 levels of paragon
  • Completed GRift 38 in 4 player, attempted 39 and missed it by about a minute
  • Finally found a new SoJ and it rolled Holy on it; attempting to reroll it for a socket
  • Was donated a Unity by one of the DHs I was running with and can now utilize follower immunity
  • Learned a lot about upping my game with different skills and item combinations

All said, I still have not seen the vault and am broke. Around 150 goblins slain. My brother borrowed me his legacy Puzzle Ring, so I'll be farming more this week while the group I'm grifting with isn't progressing.

Fun stuff, man. The challenge of reinventing my character to progress is oddly intriguing to me.
 

FallenHero

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Man screw you people and your drops. I have yet to see a RRoG, let alone a legendary drop from a cache. I hate this game.
 

pandemonium

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The secret to getting stuff is: sheer [kill] numbers and patience.

Join the split bounty farming community and look for a party, get 20 caches (in a good group, it'll take maybe an hour), and you'll likely see a legendary, if not an RoRG. That's how I've gotten mine.

Believe me when I say I've put my time in to get those items, lol.
 
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Ertaz

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The secret to getting stuff is: sheer [kill] numbers and patience.

Join the split bounty farming community and look for a party, get 20 caches (in a good group, it'll take maybe an hour), and you'll likely see a legendary, if not an RoRG. That's how I've gotten mine.

Believe me when I say I've put my time in to get those items, lol.

That's what I'm missing now. My Rorg have all been subpar. I suppose I will try to get cc/cd/Cdr and a socket.
 

jruchko

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Are there limits on how much you can upgrade leg gems?

From what I am reading max level for gems is 50. I know Blizzard wanted them to be able to level much more then that though, so in the future I would expect them to increase the max level for gems.
 

Denithor

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The epic gems come from the greater rifts, right? And you have to get special rift keys to access? I'm so lowbie right now on my HC crusader...doh!
 

jruchko

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The epic gems come from the greater rifts, right? And you have to get special rift keys to access? I'm so lowbie right now on my HC crusader...doh!

You need to do rifts in torment difficulty to have a chance for the rift guardian to drop a keystone of trials which allows you to enter greater rifts. While in a greater rift only the rift guardian drops anything, and for your first couple runs you can expect 2 legendary gems, and 1 gem per RG kill after that until you have them all. I also average 1 legendary per greater rift RG kill.

Since you are playing on HC I would advise to purposely go slow in greater rifts and only kill the RG when the timer has about 4 minutes left so you only move up 1 level. This way you don't risk jumping up to a difficulty that is too hard and lose your character.
 

smackababy

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What happens if you don't complete the GR in time? Do you get a keystone to retry that difficulty (or possibly one lower) or do you have to start over? Or, are the keystones not consumed when used?
 

Worthington

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If you don't finish the rift time you can't upgrade your keystone to the next level. You still can kill the Rift Boss and upgrade your gems.
 

smackababy

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If you don't finish the rift time you can't upgrade your keystone to the next level. You still can kill the Rift Boss and upgrade your gems.

So, I only get a single keystone and I can upgrade it each completed rift, but each failed rift it will still open that same level? So, if I was at like level 30, and I failed, I didn't have to start from level 1, but rather just not be able to go to level 31?
 

sweenish

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I was wrong with my previous assessment of the Roland's set. With the Piro Marella shield you can drop a Primary. I have to say that this set is pretty good until you get full Akkhans. Sweep still blows though, and this set doesn't change that fact.

I apologize for my previous error.

I've never cared about sweep, and was only interested in the set as far as a shield bash and piro go. It's good to know that Akhan's is still the goal. For my playstyle, I've always thought Roland's would serve me pretty well.
 
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