**OFFICIAL** Diablo 3 Thread

[Aristotelian]

Hey all, normally I come to this threat to whine a bit but actually I'd like to be a bit more positive this time.

Essentially, I gave up on trying to be a unique snowflake wizard (who could still not do T6 with his main lightning/stun wizard). I switched to (mediocre) firebird gear.

Firebird gloves, shoulders, helm, boots and offhand. Craptastic rorg and soj. Ancient Chantodo (2800dps), vyr's legs, tal rasha chest, and nemesis bracers. Decent fire amulet.

And I did better than I've ever done before, instantly, it's hilarious. If it weren't for a friend I was carrying in Grift 28 (far better than I've ever done) I would have beaten the rift guardian easily. And the play style is quite funny: hydra, black hole to group, blizzard to tick, and teleport around as necessary in a circle re-casting blizzard and black hole as necessary.

And bam, 800 million hp elites melt away. There are so many ticks I can't even calculate what I'm doing.

It's a hilarious playstyle, reminds me a bit of DHs plonking sentries down then lunging here and there to avoid damage.

I think with the significant increases to my gear that are still possible (I'm at work, wish I could easily link my battlenet character) I think I should be able to push much higher. Becoming easily able to farm t6 will be great to do act 1 bounties over and over until I get a very nice rorg.

So the point of the post was to give some of the people hope - going cookie cutter really can make a difference ;-)

 

[Rhezuss]

Yeah but then everyone look the same and you see the exact same stuff on the screen over and over again...

I understand what you say though but this is what is pushing me away slowly from this game. I hate it with a passion. What's the point of giving you lots of skill choice if ultimately you're forced in one build to be viable?

 

[sweenish]

You're not forced into anything.

You want to push super high grifts, then only the best build will do. That's the nature of the beast. grift 25 is ~T6, so going above that is always going to require some specialization.

You want to speed farm T6? There are a ton more options available. Sure, you typically still need a full set with its bonuses, but it's T6. Not grift 35-40.

Also, transmogs. People rarely look the same even if they play similarly.

Talking about my seasonal monk for a bit, I was able to clear 32 solo without unity, so that felt good. My torch is probably about as low rolled as it can be, but at least I got one. As it stands, I think Unity would get me to maybe 34, definitely 33. 34 is always my goal, I just want to be able to get legendary gems up to 25 solo.

Still missing about 3 pieces before I start my hunt for better versions of what I have.

I'm working on farming Inna chest for now to survive better, then Gungdo, then finally the wuko shines. Once I'm able to clear grift 34 reliably, I'll see if I have time to get a seasonal DH going. I've been playing a lot of monk lately, and wouldn't mind a change of pace.

I'm thinking I don't play enough for seasons to be really worth it. Next season I'll probably just wait a few weeks, and hope someone in the clan is willing to powerlevel me. I still want the transmogs. I guess I'll see how I'm feeling when the next season actually rolls around.

 

[digiram]

Yeah but then everyone look the same and you see the exact same stuff on the screen over and over again...

I understand what you say though but this is what is pushing me away slowly from this game. I hate it with a passion. What's the point of giving you lots of skill choice if ultimately you're forced in one build to be viable?

I hear that, but that's why there's changes up coming for patch 2.2. Looking forward to it myself, but for right now it is hard to go with anything besides standard FB build for wiz. I finally found a winter fury, and it's useless. Also, frostburns need a huge buff to.

 

[Schfifty Five]

I started playing again after about 5 month haitus. I finally got enough FB pieces to get the 6 piece bonus and wow it's made a huge difference.

Before, i was rocking Tal's set, aghuilds set, and MM/conflag build. Could do decent but nothing crazy. Now w/ FB, I'm doing significantly more damage with that 3000% DOT.

Now I just need to find more ancient gear and tweak around my build.

 

[TallBill]

I might be doing wizard for season 3, although I had fun with my firebird build before.

 

[Aristotelian]

Yeah but then everyone look the same and you see the exact same stuff on the screen over and over again...

I understand what you say though but this is what is pushing me away slowly from this game. I hate it with a passion. What's the point of giving you lots of skill choice if ultimately you're forced in one build to be viable?

There is some merit to what you say, even when contrasted with what Sweenish wrote after.

I, personally, like the frost capability. I never found a Winter Flurry, I just found a perfect (non-ancient) azurewrath. Never the frostmourne gloves, or ice climber boots. It'd be nice if a frozen orb build (with a frost magic missile or something like that to generate apoc). But a t6 frozen orb build just isn't viable, let alone greater rift progression.

But it should be. The elemental capabilities of the wizard are heavily skewed towards fire. Perhaps that is intended, perhaps not. Lightning is great for stun lock builds, but it doesn't put out the damage for even t6 in a good way.

With firebird, it's so much easier. And my firebird pieces and gear in general are not that very good. But now I can teleport forward, group/blizzard, hydra, get hit (deliberately) and teleport forward again etc. I had the firebird pieces (on my main wiz, not season) in my inventory but never got around to trying the build.

I have never played another D3 class and wonder if this is similar. I'm playing with a friend who plays a witch doctor and he gave up on his pet build, he's trying Jade Harvester. Is there a trump build for every D3 class?

Can you look at a WD and say "you ought to do this build for higher grift", and with DH and Crusader as well? If so, then this is just the way that D3 is, but from some of the complaining on D3 wiz forums, it seems like this isn't the case with other classes (a pure pigeonhole to one ELEMENT for higher grifts).

 

[sweenish]

Wizards are a bit more pigeon-holed. As far as I know, they nerfed CM Wiz, eventually gave them the new Firebird to make up for that, and no other set has come close since.

Every other class has a couple options that you can run for up grift 30 for sure. Maybe even up to 40. Higher than that, I don't know what the options are. I know that fire and lightning monks are popular, but only lightning monks make the leaderboards.

You're typically only limited by what you want to do with your toon. If that thing happens to be pushing super high grifts, you're only ever going to have one option.

 

[redrider4life4]

After playing Wizard season 1 and DH season 2 they are in the same boat. The only difference is DH can use almost any element, but have to use cluster arrow (multi shot is viable for solo grifts) and 5 sentries.

Wizards have to go fire, but in groups they can use multiple builds to stack the DOT, one of the best wizards last season for groups was using disintegrate and pushing high 40 GRs in a group (before ancient items).

The reason why i switched is because as a wizard nobody wanted me in a grift group, on my DH I get invited without even asking. If you should be mad at anything it should be the fact that DH out damages every other class by 2-3x in high grifts, the new sets don't solve the problem either. If you want to experience the top levels of this game as a dps class you really have to be a DH.

 

[Aristotelian]

After playing Wizard season 1 and DH season 2 they are in the same boat. The only difference is DH can use almost any element, but have to use cluster arrow (multi shot is viable for solo grifts) and 5 sentries.

Wizards have to go fire, but in groups they can use multiple builds to stack the DOT, one of the best wizards last season for groups was using disintegrate and pushing high 40 GRs in a group (before ancient items).

The reason why i switched is because as a wizard nobody wanted me in a grift group, on my DH I get invited without even asking. If you should be mad at anything it should be the fact that DH out damages every other class by 2-3x in high grifts, the new sets don't solve the problem either. If you want to experience the top levels of this game as a dps class you really have to be a DH.

Yeah there's a lot of this as well. I spoke to one of the top EU DHs the other day - I added him as a friend randomly after seeing him absolutely blow screens in T6 away before I could even get the dot up and running. DH damage is frankly insane.

It's an interesting dynamic because frozen orb (in its original state) was rather powerful, but nowhere near the way a DH can obliterate everything on screen. But frozen orb was nerfed - pitiful range now, 300 something percent weapon damage per cast...large mana cost.

He told me that he frequently gets invited by people to any group - he can easily carry groups of four (3 besides him) who do nothing in a grift except get carried. I think next season I'll try a DH to see how it goes, but the issue I think in overall class balance looks something like:

"dh, wizard (and others) can clear a T6 rift in under 3 minutes, balanced" & "wizards can go quite high in grifts (all using the same build/equipment really) so they don't need a fundamental balancing act".

But DHs seem to have incredible burst (up front) and sustained damage. Firebird wizards can melt, but it takes longer. Maybe DHs are more squishy but I doubt that, too.

I saw a video of Jaetch doing a level 59 grift, I think it was two wizards a crusader and one other class, using the new tal rasha set on PTR. It seems like the new tal rasha set will bring something very new and viable to the table. So maybe it's just a matter of time before wizards start getting invited to groups at a higher level. So far, seems like high end DHs and Monks are asked for on EU general chat for high level grifting.

 

[JimKiler]

Wizards are a bit more pigeon-holed. As far as I know, they nerfed CM Wiz, eventually gave them the new Firebird to make up for that, and no other set has come close since.

Every other class has a couple options that you can run for up grift 30 for sure. Maybe even up to 40. Higher than that, I don't know what the options are. I know that fire and lightning monks are popular, but only lightning monks make the leaderboards.

You're typically only limited by what you want to do with your toon. If that thing happens to be pushing super high grifts, you're only ever going to have one option.

Monk does has more options since the last patch even if you don't make the leaderboard you can still perform well in T6 and grifts with the skill choices added to the Sunwuko set.

 

[sweenish]

Monk does has more options since the last patch even if you don't make the leaderboard you can still perform well in T6 and grifts with the skill choices added to the Sunwuko set.

Which counters nothing that I said.

 

[digiram]

After playing Wizard season 1 and DH season 2 they are in the same boat. The only difference is DH can use almost any element, but have to use cluster arrow (multi shot is viable for solo grifts) and 5 sentries.

Wizards have to go fire, but in groups they can use multiple builds to stack the DOT, one of the best wizards last season for groups was using disintegrate and pushing high 40 GRs in a group (before ancient items).

The reason why i switched is because as a wizard nobody wanted me in a grift group, on my DH I get invited without even asking. If you should be mad at anything it should be the fact that DH out damages every other class by 2-3x in high grifts, the new sets don't solve the problem either. If you want to experience the top levels of this game as a dps class you really have to be a DH.

I hear that, and as a WD you're useless in a group unless you tiki. but I'm not a fan of tiki. I want bears to be like DH cluster arrows.

 

[Brainonska511]

Kind of a nice night for loot. Another two pieces of FB for my wizard, one ancient and an ancient RoRG, plus an ancient Avarice Band I threw to the WD.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Brainonska-1770/hero/58912680 (the season heroes)

 

[redrider4life4]

Yeah there's a lot of this as well. I spoke to one of the top EU DHs the other day - I added him as a friend randomly after seeing him absolutely blow screens in T6 away before I could even get the dot up and running. DH damage is frankly insane.

It's an interesting dynamic because frozen orb (in its original state) was rather powerful, but nowhere near the way a DH can obliterate everything on screen. But frozen orb was nerfed - pitiful range now, 300 something percent weapon damage per cast...large mana cost.

He told me that he frequently gets invited by people to any group - he can easily carry groups of four (3 besides him) who do nothing in a grift except get carried. I think next season I'll try a DH to see how it goes, but the issue I think in overall class balance looks something like:

"dh, wizard (and others) can clear a T6 rift in under 3 minutes, balanced" & "wizards can go quite high in grifts (all using the same build/equipment really) so they don't need a fundamental balancing act".

But DHs seem to have incredible burst (up front) and sustained damage. Firebird wizards can melt, but it takes longer. Maybe DHs are more squishy but I doubt that, too.

I saw a video of Jaetch doing a level 59 grift, I think it was two wizards a crusader and one other class, using the new tal rasha set on PTR. It seems like the new tal rasha set will bring something very new and viable to the table. So maybe it's just a matter of time before wizards start getting invited to groups at a higher level. So far, seems like high end DHs and Monks are asked for on EU general chat for high level grifting.

Yeah i wanted to try out the PTR but they got rid of the 2,000% leg drop buff, guess I'll have to wait until they reinstate it to try out wizard again.

 

[OCNewbie]

Yeah i wanted to try out the PTR but they got rid of the 2,000% leg drop buff, guess I'll have to wait until they reinstate it to try out wizard again.

It has been reinstated as of last night, but that also means it's back to 1+ hour queue times (like right now at 11AM EST on a Wednesday).

 

[Cappuccino]

Ok, I lied. I'm going to start a season character. I want to ask couple of questions. Do I keep all my gear, gold, materials, well, basically everything you find in season mode and be able to be transfer all the stuff into my soft core character? Also, what class is most fun atm? I'm thinking playing DH. When does this season end? Am I too late to start? really appreciate the help

Typed on Tapatalk.

 

[sweenish]

Yes.
Depends on you.
Probably soon. 2 week notice will be given.
Never!

 

[ch33zw1z]

well, it's been in the 40's all week here, it this keeps up I won't be on as much...that's for sure

 

[darkewaffle]

This season isn't going to end for months (imo), it basically just started a month ago and S1 ran for 6+ months.

 

[Cappuccino]

Ok just started seasons and I'm paragon 90. Anyone want to play? I'm from EUW. Post BT
DH

 

[Aristotelian]

Ok just started seasons and I'm paragon 90. Anyone want to play? I'm from EUW. Post BT
DH

Finally, an EU player! I'm paragon 220 or so, and would definitely love to group with a DH (I play a firebird wiz). My battletag is ggrechbnet#2600. I tend to play evenings/weekends, work too much during the week to play regularly though.

PS: welcome back

 

[Cappuccino]

Finally, an EU player! I'm paragon 220 or so, and would definitely love to group with a DH (I play a firebird wiz). My battletag is ggrechbnet#2600. I tend to play evenings/weekends, work too much during the week to play regularly though.

PS: welcome back

Added and thank you

I forgot to ask. Is it worth grinding Paragon points in Seasons? Do they add up for the next season? How does it work? I've heard it adds the XP but how does that give you an advantage for next season? ;_;

 

[sweenish]

This season isn't going to end for months (imo), it basically just started a month ago and S1 ran for 6+ months.

That's really poor logic since the team has said themselves that 3 months is their intended max and that S1 ran as long as it did because of issues on their end.

Added and thank you

I forgot to ask. Is it worth grinding Paragon points in Seasons? Do they add up for the next season? How does it work? I've heard it adds the XP but how does that give you an advantage for next season? ;_;

Just google that crap or search this thread. It's been said a ton when season 1 was ending.

 

[Brainonska511]

Added and thank you

I forgot to ask. Is it worth grinding Paragon points in Seasons? Do they add up for the next season? How does it work? I've heard it adds the XP but how does that give you an advantage for next season? ;_;

Paragon experience you get in seasons adds onto regular characters after it ends. There are also season-only items you can find that won't be available to nonseason until after S2 ends.