**OFFICIAL** Diablo 3 Thread

[akahoovy]

About the AH... I was irritated this morning because I set an alarm to wake up early to put in a final bid on a source off-hand item for my wizard and didn't get to bid on it. The time remaining got down to 2 minutes, I waited till the last moment I thought I could bid when it said < 1 minute and when I did bid, it said the item was expired. Very irritating. It went from 2 minutes on the timer to finished almost instantly.

Does anyone know if there's safe number of minutes to bid on an item? I would like to wait as long as I can so I can save gold and not be outbid.

 

[nanobreath]

What do you guys think of +MF gear?

Like..what is the trade off for you?

+30% MF on an amulet..worth say...50 in a primary stat?

Or some life regen?

There is no trade off. It's simply a question of are you farming and need magic find? And how much magic find can you equip and still stay alive and kill things. People typically do not equip magic find when progressing through the game. I have 3 sets of gear. Regular gear for progressing through inferno. A magic find set for farming butcher. A gold find set for farming lower difficulties of gold.

My magic find set typically has at least str or vit on it, but I'm not super picky how much. I just want a piece that won't totally gimp me. My gold find set is simply the most +gold find I can get on a particular slot, and hopefully some gold/glove +radius pickup. As I typically gold find in lower difficulties, it is all pushover anyway, I don't care about other stats.

If you are looking for magic find, simply make sure one of the three fields in the searching the auction house have magic find as an option, and then find the best piece of gear you can afford that also has magic find. I found a lot of my magic find gear as I'm not super picky.

Once you get to the inferno difficulties and want to farm act III etc, good pieces that also have magic find are few and far between, and can fetch a fair bit of gold/money. While leveling, I wouldn't worry about magic find at all.

 

[nanobreath]

About the AH... I was irritated this morning because I set an alarm to wake up early to put in a final bid on a source off-hand item for my wizard and didn't get to bid on it. The time remaining got down to 2 minutes, I waited till the last moment I thought I could bid when it said < 1 minute and when I did bid, it said the item was expired. Very irritating. It went from 2 minutes on the timer to finished almost instantly.

Does anyone know if there's safe number of minutes to bid on an item? I would like to wait as long as I can so I can save gold and not be outbid.

People are trying to snipe items in D3? IMO if you really wanna do this, bid your max bid at like 5 mins left.

 

[darkewaffle]

Diablo 2 was easier... If you needed repairs, run out of the town, kill a few things, bring back a 35k or 40k (?) gold piece of armor or sword, sell, done.

The difference is gold had no value in D2. If you had a trillion gold, you still couldn't buy anything because there was no demand for it and there was no hub to spend it over; so it didn't really matter how much you had or how easily it could be earned or found. Repairing was easy because the 'material' needed to repair (in this case, just liquid gold) was worthless.

In D3, gold is finally a usable currency. So it does matter how much is created and how much is 'destroyed'. Blizzard is essentially playing the role of a virtual Federal Reserve; and repair costs and AH cuts are their versions of interest rates. Gold in D3 is more analogous to PGems or SoJs in D2 than it is gold.

 

[diesbudt]

The difference is gold had no value in D2. If you had a trillion gold, you still couldn't buy anything because there was no demand for it

There was a demand. We just didn't see it. We were just looking in the wrong markets. We should have been melting it and turning it into gold plated decorations for our Lepuerchan friend to line the current dungeons with to entice even more adventurers to come in looking for richs, instead of the dread, dark, dank crypts we are walking through.

 

[thespyder]

The difference is gold had no value in D2. If you had a trillion gold, you still couldn't buy anything because there was no demand for it and there was no hub to spend it over; so it didn't really matter how much you had or how easily it could be earned or found. Repairing was easy because the 'material' needed to repair (in this case, just liquid gold) was worthless.

In D3, gold is finally a usable currency. So it does matter how much is created and how much is 'destroyed'. Blizzard is essentially playing the role of a virtual Federal Reserve; and repair costs and AH cuts are their versions of interest rates. Gold in D3 is more analogous to PGems or SoJs in D2 than it is gold.

I have just the opposite view point. In Diablo 2, you got rewarded for going out and killing mobs with gold and treasure. Sometimes just gold, but always with something. In diablo 3, gold hardly ever drops in any significant amount. And nothing sells for any amount at all unless you use the auction house. Yet still you are dealt reversers in terms of having to pay to upgrade the blacksmith and the jeweler and even your storage space. They went from (maybe) giving too much gold to giving none at all, yet requiring you to have it.

A key difference between the two games is that Diablo 2 actually gives you rewards for progressing. Diablo 3, not so much. Since you unlock the same skills as everyone else, getting to be the next level has significantly less uniqueness and therefore less value. And since the rewards you do get are almost purely EXP and whatever drops you can find (which are borked in yet another attempt to coerce you to go to the auction house), the anticipation value is almost non-existent.

As for gold having any value in Diablo 3, it only has value in terms of the auction house. and that is purely ephemeral. You have virtual property which has no actual value outside the game, yet can be sold within the confines of the game. That market is going to tank as soon as people stop playing the game. Considering the relatively limited scope of the game, that shouldn't be very long. 10 years from now, people aren't going to still be auctioning Plate of the Bear (or whatever) from Diablo 3 because no one will care about it.

Yeah, gold may have been a bit too plentiful in Diablo 2, but it had value as a form of reward system that Diablo 3 seriously lacks.

And if Blizzard/Diablo 3 is trying to act like a virtual federal reserve bank, they are doing an even poorer job than the US Federal Reserve bank is doing.

 

[BadgerYou]

I have more or less payed for this game with people buying some things I've posted and I've gotten well over 150 hours of play. I got what i needed out of it. Now everything else is gravy.

edit: i treat this game like a very low payout slot machine at a casino. I can't stop because maybe I'll get that one drop someone will pay 250 for!

 

[PowerYoga]

About the AH... I was irritated this morning because I set an alarm to wake up early to put in a final bid on a source off-hand item for my wizard and didn't get to bid on it. The time remaining got down to 2 minutes, I waited till the last moment I thought I could bid when it said < 1 minute and when I did bid, it said the item was expired. Very irritating. It went from 2 minutes on the timer to finished almost instantly.

Does anyone know if there's safe number of minutes to bid on an item? I would like to wait as long as I can so I can save gold and not be outbid.

i start sniping items at ~ 2 min left because of what you're describing. Usually it's fine up until ~1 minute, after that it's a crapshoot.

 

[Batmeat]

About the AH... I was irritated this morning because I set an alarm to wake up early to put in a final bid on a source off-hand item for my wizard and didn't get to bid on it. The time remaining got down to 2 minutes, I waited till the last moment I thought I could bid when it said < 1 minute and when I did bid, it said the item was expired. Very irritating. It went from 2 minutes on the timer to finished almost instantly.

Does anyone know if there's safe number of minutes to bid on an item? I would like to wait as long as I can so I can save gold and not be outbid.

You can bid clear down to the last second. I've sniped gear that way, you have to be constantly switching screens from the 2 min warning to the <1min warning. That way you know exactly when it goes from 2 min to 1 min and you can count down the rest. My guess is you got off on the timing, and were probably tired since you got up early and just missed it.

 

[mingsoup]

I am so frustrated. Level 60. I used to have 500,000 gold and growing before Inferno and 1.03. Now I have 200,000. Repair costs are eating me alive and I will either have to stop playing or farm Hell. I am one to feel that repair costs are now penalizing for play. I might just stop playing all together. I try to bolster my stats with AH gear because it would takes me years with the crap that drops to fit myself. However, at 60 it always seems like a losing battle. Gain int, lost resist. Gain Vit, lose IAS. Gain DPS, lost LOH. Its like a massive juggling game, which I can't seem to figure out. I might just move onto something else. I saw one quote that said Act 4 Hell could net 100k per hour. Great, only 200 hours till that 20 million 1k DPS. :|. Maybe I'm looking at this wrong. You cannot die anymore. Period.

 

[digiram]

They need a cap on the amount that someone can ask for even in the Gold AH to control the economy a little... just saying.

 

[diesbudt]

I am so frustrated. Level 60. I used to have 500,000 gold and growing before Inferno and 1.03. Now I have 200,000. Repair costs are eating me alive and I will either have to stop playing or farm Hell. I am one to feel that repair costs are now penalizing for play. I might just stop playing all together. I try to bolster my stats with AH gear because it would takes me years with the crap that drops to fit myself. However, at 60 it always seems like a losing battle. Gain int, lost resist. Gain Vit, lose IAS. Gain DPS, lost LOH. Its like a massive juggling game, which I can't seem to figure out. I might just move onto something else.

A) I don't have the same issues other people are having in the repair area of the game. i dont know why. I can still make 20k/15min+ on inferno runs before AH selling.

B) The gear juggling is part of the game. It is hard to find that "perfect" piece of gear that gives you all the stats you want. This is the "carrot" on the D3 stick.

 

[darkxshade]

I usually scout the items I want when they're still cheap, place a single bid(which undoubtedly gets outbid) just to get it on my watchlist. Then when it hits <1min I place my max bid. Works out pretty good.

 

[BadgerYou]

I am so frustrated. Level 60. I used to have 500,000 gold and growing before Inferno and 1.03. Now I have 200,000. Repair costs are eating me alive and I will either have to stop playing or farm Hell. I am one to feel that repair costs are now penalizing for play. I might just stop playing all together. I try to bolster my stats with AH gear because it would takes me years with the crap that drops to fit myself. However, at 60 it always seems like a losing battle. Gain int, lost resist. Gain Vit, lose IAS. Gain DPS, lost LOH. Its like a massive juggling game, which I can't seem to figure out. I might just move onto something else. I saw one quote that said Act 4 Hell could net 100k per hour. Great, only 200 hours till that 20 million 1k DPS. :|. Maybe I'm looking at this wrong. You cannot die anymore. Period.

The problem is, when the game first launched, people were out there using game mechanics in a way that wasn't intended.
Which lead to a domino affect of beating the game entirely to early, introducing items into the market that shouldn't have been out yet (leading to really high prices)
Gold farming exploits leading to buying gold at relatively cheap prices which then in turn increased the BO prices of items in the AH.
And finally an expectation that everyone should be in Act 3/4 inferno farming already. That wasn't their intentions. They wanted us to farm repeatedly in act 3/4 hell or act 1 inferno. So now people that are finally getting up in level seem to think they should be progressing at a rate that is far faster than intended.
But they also are frustrated knowing others got there and feel as though the only way to do so is by buying gear via gold/money.

Personally I can farm in act 3 if i wanted to, but its frustrating because my gear isn't quite there yet. So I mindlessly farm Act 1 in a low risk/low reward setting.

TLDR - Blizzard needed more Beta testing at Inferno level. Not just lvl 13 cap.

 

[Anubis]

They need a cap on the amount that someone can ask for even in the Gold AH to control the economy a little... just saying.

jnah the 2 billion BO items that arent that good are worth some lols

 

[Anubis]

anyone got a good wiz spec for act 2 inferno? i can near sleep my way through act 1 with no deaths and butcher runs are normally 0-1 death depending on what random elites i get, bt i feel im doing crap for damage in act 2

after the IAS nerf im sitting at like 26k DPS with magic wep running the blizz + venom hydra build with MM + seeker as well as force armor & tele + fracture, 28k ish HP with ~300 to all resists

 

[diesbudt]

anyone got a good wiz spec for act 2 inferno? i can near sleep my way through act 1 with no deaths and butcher runs are normally 0-1 death depending on what random elites i get, bt i feel im doing crap for damage in act 2

after the IAS nerf im sitting at like 26k DPS with magic wep running the blizz + venom hydra build with MM + seeker as well as force armor & tele + fracture, 28k ish HP with ~300 to all resists

On my wizard I have completed Inferno Act 1 and half of Act 2 so far and actually havnt had any issues what so ever yet.

His stats (and yes they blow yet I cant find upgrades in my price range or dropped for the life of me):

16k DPS
26k HP
(really high armor) - use 1-h + shield
400-450 Resists

Set-up:

Venom Hydra
Magic Wep (With poison)
Diamond skin (with increase absorption)
The armor buff (prismatic, or w/e the increased resistances are called)
Teleport + fracture
Arcane Orb (Reduced Cost to 20)

Temporal Flux (enemies hit by arcane are slowed)
The one talent that increases AP by 20 and regen rate
??? Cant remember off the top of my head.

 

[darkxshade]

So what is everyone farming now by default with the best payoff? I steamroll A1 now... packs take about 15sec to half min to clear with my build. The butcher run is ridiculously easy for me, only accidental deaths if ever. A2 on the other hand still has a slight difficulty curve but I can still clear it with ease save for a few affix combos.

 

[BadgerYou]

So what is everyone farming now by default with the best payoff? I steamroll A1 now... packs take about 15sec to half min to clear with my build. The butcher run is ridiculously easy for me, only accidental deaths if ever. A2 on the other hand still has a slight difficulty curve but I can still clear it with ease save for a few affix combos.

3 butcher runs an hour (if i don't sort through gear in the process) hitting up festering woods/ old ruins before going to the jailer/butcher

 

[akahoovy]

You can bid clear down to the last second. I've sniped gear that way, you have to be constantly switching screens from the 2 min warning to the <1min warning. That way you know exactly when it goes from 2 min to 1 min and you can count down the rest. My guess is you got off on the timing, and were probably tired since you got up early and just missed it.

I wasn't switching screens. Hah, didn't realize I needed to. That's a bummer, it was a sweet source for cheap.

The reason I've been sniping is just because people have been listing items with a low starting bid. I bid on the items, keep an eye on it, and if the bidding stays low I try to get it as a way to gear up for Inferno.

 

[KIAman]

So what is everyone farming now by default with the best payoff? I steamroll A1 now... packs take about 15sec to half min to clear with my build. The butcher run is ridiculously easy for me, only accidental deaths if ever. A2 on the other hand still has a slight difficulty curve but I can still clear it with ease save for a few affix combos.

I'm still farming act 3 but I've changed my run. Instead of quickly getting 5 buffs and killing Siegebreaker in about 30 minutes, I go through almost the entirety of Act 3 up to Siegebreaker, kill anywhere from 10-20 elites, then kill Siegebreaker in about 1 hour.

Got some decent stuff so far, on average making around 200-300k per run, if my items sell.

 

[darkxshade]

Got some decent stuff so far, on average making around 200-300k per run, if my items sell.

Die a lot? 2-300k/run @ 1hr/run? I could do A3 but it may be a bit of a step backwards if I were to attempt.

Why not do butcher and then port to whimsyshire?

 

[akahoovy]

anyone got a good wiz spec for act 2 inferno? i can near sleep my way through act 1 with no deaths and butcher runs are normally 0-1 death depending on what random elites i get, bt i feel im doing crap for damage in act 2

after the IAS nerf im sitting at like 26k DPS with magic wep running the blizz + venom hydra build with MM + seeker as well as force armor & tele + fracture, 28k ish HP with ~300 to all resists

I haven't played in Inferno yet, probably will be there by this weekend, and hopefully 60, but I've been using an almost all arcane damage skill set. My setup may change at that time but for what it's worth:

LMB - Arcane Torrent (Disruption)
RMB - Disintegration (Volatility)
W - Magic Weapon (Force Weapon)
A - Hydra (Arcane)
S - Diamond Skin (Crystal Shell)
D - Archon (Arcane Destruction)

Evocation - Shorten cooldowns
Astral Flows - more arcane, faster regen
Temporal Flux - arcane damage slows by 30%

So I kite mostly, using Hydra, and try to lay down Arcane Torrent on everything and play depending on what I come up against. I'll run the whole time if I have to, using Diamond Skin to stay alive. There are some elites that I can take down by changing to Archon on top of them and using the aoe Blast and melee attack as quickly as possible.

In the future if this build works in Inferno, I'll probably change Disintegration to Arcane Meteor.

 

[KIAman]

Die a lot? 2-300k/run @ 1hr/run? I could do A3 but it may be a bit of a step backwards if I were to attempt.

Why not do butcher and then port to whimsyshire?

I die maybe once if that. Ever since the damage nerf, I haven't died often. I like act 3 because more iLvl61-63 drop and whimsyshire is a waste now because of cloud nerfs and only having 3-5 elites with 5 stacks.

My act 3 runs, I can kill up to 15 elites which have a high chance of dropping 61-63 drops with full 5 stacks.

Stormbad#1950

I'll add you pantlez tonight.

 

[Pantlegz]

for some reason all my AT friends got removed from my list, if anyone wants a pretty decent meat shield add me. pantlegz#1355