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cubby1223

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Sure it does, anyone in Inferno finds 500-1000+ gold drops quite regularly. Even in hell finding piles of a few hundred gold is not uncommon; and prior to Hell repair rates have increased by exactly zero gold.

Have you not played since the 1.03 patch? Act 4 of hell mode rarely drops even 100 gold at one time. Example, going through with one character of mine for the first time, the boss Izual dropped less than 100 gold and no items on defeat in Hell mode.
 
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cubby1223

Lifer
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Bottom line of Diablo 3...

When the most effective way of progressing through the game is by flipping low valued items in the auction house for higher profits...
 

cubby1223

Lifer
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They need a cap on the amount that someone can ask for even in the Gold AH to control the economy a little... just saying.

I wouldn't cap it.

Instead, I would design a mechanism that makes the auction length increase with the asking price.

Want to list an item for $50m? Go right ahead! But if it doesn't sell, it's hogging up one of your auction slots for two full weeks!
 

thejunglegod

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I wouldn't cap it. Instead, I would design a mechanism that makes the auction length increase with the asking price. Want to list an item for $50m? Go right ahead! But if it doesn't sell, it's hogging up one of your auction slots for two full weeks!

That seems like a brilliant idea and would make those idiots selling their stuff with a 9 and as many '0's as the box allows to think twice.
And they need to include sorting the auctions according to the "time left" on them.
 

mingsoup

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Players of higher level who found it and are selling it to lower level characters because the lower level characters can't find it at their level.

And the level 60 stuff from people who farm for dozens (and perhaps more) hours going over the same ground over and over and over AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER the same ground until they find that one single item to sell or use.

lol.

the wall that is act 2 is so large, i think i just quit. wait and see what blizzard does. that or work on a wizard. i WILL lose all my gold if I keep attempting inferno. like 60 hours of gold can essentially now be flushed in 4-5 hours of inferno. maybe i was hoping to make it and be good at diablo. nope. I will never compete with the really intense farmers. I better go back to casual difficulty. I would totally keep trying if Blizzard hadn't F'ED with the repair prices. A total blunder.
 
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fustercluck

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Don't know anyone who does Pony runs but I want in! Hell or Inferno. I got a buttload of magic find, so let me know.

I started actually progressing through Act 2 finally after 2-3 weeks of being stuck. Progressing very slowly though and Act 2 is long as shit. Getting some horrible drops like rare 2 handed weapons that do 178 dmg and stuff like that, so I can see where people complaining about the lame drops comes from. It could be better but I'm not bothered by it.
 

Kalmah

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Oct 2, 2003
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I launched the game back up for the first time in like 2 weeks. Playing with my WD in a2 inferno.

I found some really nice loot right off the bat. None of it is good for my WD though. I feel it is a waste to just vendor it, which led to me thinking that I should auction it, which led me to think that I need to re-learn the market prices, which led me to consider setting up a paypal for the RMAH, which led me to think how that would be a pain in the ass, which led me to think about the reasons I'm even playing this game, which led me to the menu and straight on to the 'exit game' button.

meh
 

thejunglegod

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found some really nice loot right off the bat. None of it is good for my WD though. I feel it is a waste to just vendor it, which led to me thinking that I should auction it, which led me to think that I need to re-learn the market prices, which led me to consider setting up a paypal for the RMAH, which led me to think how that would be a pain in the ass, which led me to think about the reasons I'm even playing this game, which led me to the menu and straight on to the 'exit game' button.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.
 

fustercluck

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Dec 29, 2002
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I launched the game back up for the first time in like 2 weeks. Playing with my WD in a2 inferno.

I found some really nice loot right off the bat. None of it is good for my WD though. I feel it is a waste to just vendor it, which led to me thinking that I should auction it, which led me to think that I need to re-learn the market prices, which led me to consider setting up a paypal for the RMAH, which led me to think how that would be a pain in the ass, which led me to think about the reasons I'm even playing this game, which led me to the menu and straight on to the 'exit game' button.

meh

heh, well you could always just search the AH for items with similar stats and see what they are going for. It can be really hard to find something comparable sometimes, though.
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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Bottom line of Diablo 3...

When the most effective way of progressing through the game is by flipping low valued items in the auction house for higher profits...

Sounds a lot like work to me. I play games for fun.

Item drops are designed to be rare and sparse so Activision can make a rake off RMAH ( I believe 15% of each item sold) The game itself is impossible to proceed past about mid Hell without using the auction house even if you farm hundreds of hours looking for passable gear. Inferno is where you must spend big money to proceed. Blacksmithing is utterly worthless to get you through dispite spending 2 milion in gold to be able to craft lvl 60 items. I believe this is all by design to encourage micro transactions. Unfortunatly for Activision, as a visitor to bnet forums, I've noticed there seems to be a lot of dissatisfaction with this idea with about half the threads panning this game and most wrt AH/RMAH.

aRPGs can barley stand on their own simplistic gameplay which is why not many are made however one thing that made them interesting was the feedback loop and sense of accomplishment of grinding to find uber items and/or uber stat builds. D3 takes this all away with simply getting rich or being rich in the case of RMAH for success and I don't see it as a viable turn of events judging by responses.
 
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gothamhunter

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Sounds a lot like work to me. I play games for fun.

Item drops are designed to be rare and sparse so Activision can make a rake off RMAH ( I believe 15% of each item sold) The game itself is impossible to proceed past about mid Hell without using the auction house even if you farm hundreds of hours looking for passable gear. Inferno is where you must spend big money to proceed. Blacksmithing is utterly worthless to get you through dispite spending 2 milion in gold to be able to craft lvl 60 items. I believe this is all by design to encourage micro transactions. Unfortunatly for Activision, as a visitor to bnet forums, I've noticed there seems to be a lot of dissatisfaction with this idea with about half the threads panning this game and most wrt AH/RMAH.

aRPGs can barley stand on their own simplistic gameplay which is why not many are made however one thing that made them interesting was the feedback loop and sense of accomplishment of grinding to find uber items and/or uber stat builds. D3 takes this all away with simply getting rich or being rich in the case of RMAH for success and I don't see it as a viable turn of events judging by responses.

Non-AH user here, having no problem; just need to farm for loot like you should.
 

BadgerYou

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Jun 4, 2012
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Anyone else getting severe lag tonight? Trying to figure out if it is my ISP or D3.

I had a lot of lag last night, I just figured it was on my end.

Edit: was up to 5 stacks in Act 3 and my ping was so bad I just exited, must have been a sign to stay in Act 1
 

diesbudt

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Jun 1, 2012
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The only issue I have with the AH is having both the RMAH and Gold auction house exist.

I say this because, most of the items I would love to obtain gold and buy with are on the RMAH. More and More better items are appearing on the RMAH over the GAH
 

SS Trooper

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I spent over 100k last night doing one quest in Act2. I am now finally on the black soul stone quest. If I can finish Act2 and do even remotely ok in Act3 then I will be set. For some reason knowing the best drop rates for the best items cap in Act3 makes farming in the lower level seem like a waste of time. If Act3 destroys me then I will probably hang up the barb and roll a ranged class
 

diesbudt

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Jun 1, 2012
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I spent over 100k last night doing one quest in Act2. I am now finally on the black soul stone quest. If I can finish Act2 and do even remotely ok in Act3 then I will be set. For some reason knowing the best drop rates for the best items cap in Act3 makes farming in the lower level seem like a waste of time. If Act3 destroys me then I will probably hang up the barb and roll a ranged class

It isn't a waste though. Add in AH selling, most people can make close to 150k/hr on butcher runs easy.

Make enough gold and buy a few items on the AH.

What gold seems like to me in this game is similar to Badges of justice/valor "points" from WoW. You have a chance of an item dropping for you, but overtime with enough work you can just buy an item instead.

How did you spend 100k though? Are you just repeatadly dying trying to push through the act? If so you may need to get a little more gear behind you first.
 

herky

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No. I treat the AH like the device that they engineered the game towards use. Having it is fine. Making it Almost mandatory to use, is just wrong on so many levels.

And it isn't a play style so much as you are heavily incented to use it in order to compete. Every word you type reinforces that.

Blizzard has said the game was designed to be played without the AH.

I don't know what game you are playing, but I routinely sell wands in diablo 2 for 10k. Armor and weapons as well. Not sure what Charsi's prices are, but most of the vendors buy for a LOT more than 3261. Not to mention the fact that 3261 vs 10. Hmm, which is more?

3261 of gold that has value vs 10000 of gold that had none....tough one.

My definition of borked is that they are random and specifically skewed to be lower power than you can buy in the auction house and use at your level. In other words, if you don't use the auction house, you can't compete with those who do. And once you get to 60 and Inferno, all I have read suggests that if you don't have AH level equipment, you ain't gonna survive. That's Borked to me.

That's quite a conspiracy theory there. Too bad there's no evidence to back it up.

\Gold in D3 is exclusively tied to AH. Without it, gold is no where near as valuable as in D2 precisely because you will never get enough gold in D3 to buy anything of significance without the AH.

Did you play D2? Gold was worthless.

And again the focus is to "Entice" you to go AH (and by extension RMAH). It's a racket.

And again, Blizzard has said the game was designed to be played without the AH.

My point was, Diablo 2 is still being played 12 years later. Diablo 3 won't be.

Such a short memory that people have. But then again, by everything you've said it's becoming clear that you haven't played D2 much. Diablo 2 was KILLED when released. It was a terrible game that only survived because of patch fixes and the expansion. D3 is getting killed by a small number of people. If history is any indication (and it's the only one we can go on), D3 will be around for awhile.
 

isekii

Lifer
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It isn't a waste though. Add in AH selling, most people can make close to 150k/hr on butcher runs easy.

Make enough gold and buy a few items on the AH.

What gold seems like to me in this game is similar to Badges of justice/valor "points" from WoW. You have a chance of an item dropping for you, but overtime with enough work you can just buy an item instead.

How did you spend 100k though? Are you just repeatadly dying trying to push through the act? If so you may need to get a little more gear behind you first.

I make about 80-90k per run with my monk 2 in A1 just doing the butcher quest. That's getting 5 stacks at the cemetary first. (20 gf Helm)
If I find a nice rare item that I can either use or resell, then i'm up more than that. Repair costs have been pretty decent too as long as you're not dying. I've spent more money repairing items for my glass canon DH than I do with my monk.
average monk repair after 3 runs is about 12-14k DH 1 run repair is about 18k


also to the poster above. Gold in D2 had value. Not like it does it D3 but gold was still coveted for the players that gambled with Gheed.
 
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MikeyLSU

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Don't know anyone who does Pony runs but I want in! Hell or Inferno. I got a buttload of magic find, so let me know.

I started actually progressing through Act 2 finally after 2-3 weeks of being stuck. Progressing very slowly though and Act 2 is long as shit. Getting some horrible drops like rare 2 handed weapons that do 178 dmg and stuff like that, so I can see where people complaining about the lame drops comes from. It could be better but I'm not bothered by it.

I'd like to, but only have my nightmare staff, was going to upgrade but it is 500k and I don't have that much gold.
 

darkewaffle

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The only issue I have with the AH is having both the RMAH and Gold auction house exist.

I say this because, most of the items I would love to obtain gold and buy with are on the RMAH. More and More better items are appearing on the RMAH over the GAH

I think it varies item to item. When I was buying a String of Ears not long ago, I found a lot more reasonably priced high-end ones on the GAH and that's where I ended up buying it for about 8M.

On the other hand, the Justice Lantern I just picked up a day or two ago I found on the RMAH.

Currently I'm looking for a shield and while they come and go, there's usually about equal selection on both AHs. I don't think either one is particularly better than the other.


Loot in D2 was equally random as D3.

Inferno is like Uber Tristram or Diablo Clone (both are D2 content that most people never did because they were actually difficult [unlike D2 on the whole] both in reaching and in completing); it is that accessory difficulty level that simply is not intended for everyone and requires you to prepare for it and approach it as such. If you are dying so much that you're dropping hundreds of thousands in repair bills, you're getting ahead of yourself.

The first time I cleared A1 Inferno I got wrecked in A2, the first time I cleared A2 inferno I got wrecked in A3, once I cleared A3 I hit a major wall at Rakanoth, once I beat Rakanoth it took me about 2 hours and numerous attempts to down Diablo after modifying both my gear and my build.

Each time I went back to previous countent, farmed, re-tooled my build, and scoured the AH for upgrades (Yes, I would say if you want to beat Inferno you should be using the AH. If you don't want to use the AH, that's fine, but it only furthers the idea that Inferno is not for everyone.) and slowly progressed. That's the name of the game.

One outlier does not prove a point.

I feel compelled to remind you that your entire D2 experience is pretty much an outlier.
 

isekii

Lifer
Mar 16, 2001
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Don't know anyone who does Pony runs but I want in! Hell or Inferno. I got a buttload of magic find, so let me know.

I started actually progressing through Act 2 finally after 2-3 weeks of being stuck. Progressing very slowly though and Act 2 is long as shit. Getting some horrible drops like rare 2 handed weapons that do 178 dmg and stuff like that, so I can see where people complaining about the lame drops comes from. It could be better but I'm not bothered by it.

I loathed act 2. So much so that I find a pub game that was already at belial and joined that game to just beat the boss to progress to A3.

If you can find someone who's already passed it. Get them to just beat the boss for you.
save yourself hours of nonsense bullshit and go A3.
 

BadgerYou

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I found that Same Amulet last night with +LOH 360, 140ish str, 150ish armor, and some other stats. I put it up for 35. Probably won't sell but I'll keep posting it until my Barb hits 60 and then just use it. (He won't be 60 for a long while)

To me, that is the beauty of the RMAH, find a great piece of gear, you can use it or sell it. Both are positive, and I'm no worse off.
 

isekii

Lifer
Mar 16, 2001
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I found that Same Amulet last night with +LOH 360, 140ish str, 150ish armor, and some other stats. I put it up for 35. Probably won't sell but I'll keep posting it until my Barb hits 60 and then just use it. (He won't be 60 for a long while)

To me, that is the beauty of the RMAH, find a great piece of gear, you can use it or sell it. Both are positive, and I'm no worse off.

same~ I don't usually find good gear, so I always end up either buying it at GAH or in forums and reselling it

For example. I purchased a 76x sword with 48x LOH + 293 str + 18x vita open socket for 100k gold ( amazing deal ). Resold that on RMAH for $75 reserve BIN $100.
Ended up selling for reserve price.


I also picked up a 129 intellect Andy's helm for 1 mil. I can flip it for double if not triple that.
It's all a matter of either finding 1 great item or finding deals to resell for profit.
 

diesbudt

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One issue I have is I am uncertain what upgrades to even look for. (after an upgrade I bought on GAH for 250k my stats became approx:

27k HP
7500 armor
375 - 420 resistances
16.5k DPS
113% MF (with 5 stack)
(Wizard)

Only 2 items are below an ilevel of 61 (50 and 55, ring/amulet).

Of course my resistances need to increase, but beyond that is it just damage, crit chance, damage on crit I need to aim better for or is there another stat I could use?
 

bonkers325

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same~ I don't usually find good gear, so I always end up either buying it at GAH or in forums and reselling it

For example. I purchased a 76x sword with 48x LOH + 293 str + 18x vita open socket for 100k gold ( amazing deal ). Resold that on RMAH for $75 reserve BIN $100.
Ended up selling for reserve price.


I also picked up a 129 intellect Andy's helm for 1 mil. I can flip it for double if not triple that.
It's all a matter of either finding 1 great item or finding deals to resell for profit.

finding those deals takes time and effort, and most people aren't willing to do it (or don't know how). i find deals all the time, usually when i'm in the middle of searching for upgrades. a few extra clicks will take you places, if you know how to use the buyout search

and that is a beastly sword, for 100k?! it's worth 10 mill easily.
 
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