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SS Trooper

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I ditched my Monk's shield (26% Block and then Helm of Command +8%)

and now I am dual wielding and doing just fine. I thought the shield was absolutely necessary but now I don't think so.

(Side note. I can't beat Ghom. I have pretty good gear. So apparently I am not as good as I thought)

Monks, in my experience, are better tanks naturally. I recently played a game with 2 monks, my barb, and a DH. Both the monks were my friends and had recently hit 60. In act2 with gear massively inferior to mine, they could take hits better than me and regen wayyy better. My buddy who has been in inferno as long as I have, was disgusted that they were doing so well. We hit a wall around the time you need to get Krulle's head in Act2 because their dps really started to hurt (we could not down packs before enrage)

Why they do so well is quite easy to understand. Monk's regen is easy compared to a Barbs. Their heals are controllable and reliable, and their LoH combined with immunity is money. They can get resists cheaper and on fewer pieces of equipment (OwE) so it gives them more freedom to get other stats. Their main stat adding to dodge naturally is also a huge factor.

In comparison Barbs have to count on revenge for a heal, which is a chance to proc skill that has a small range and only grants life in comparison to mobs you hit. It is also one of the stronger attacks in the Barb's tree, so it makes sense the life regen is not OP. Dreadnaught is my other health regen skill, which doubles as a movement or escape spell, but again it is dependant on hitting enemies. The largest issue comes to LoH, where a Barb can do fine tanking until he needs to stop hitting due to frost bombs, AS, or a big swing from a mob where the monk can just pop Serenity and giggle, or seven sided strike to become immune to damage will still regening. Finally Dex is a better defensive stat than Str.

Now take the arguement the other way and I would like to see a monk out dps my barb. Not gonna happen.

That's my rant on melee. I don't think a monk is better than a barb, I just think they are more efficent tanks. Nothing is OP, and I love my barb just fine. Just my observations.
 

SS Trooper

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Ghom got buffed. Hes one of the strongest mini-bosses in the game I think. Ya in inferno, hes rough for anyone melee... heh.




I dont know, but id recommend not playing a melee wizard for HC heh.

Really? Wizards can tank pretty well when specced right, I'll definately post when I die and let you know how far I get.
 

DrunkenSano

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I agree that Monk > Barb in tanking. I think the Monk class is more tank focused while Barb is suppose to be more of a tank/dps mix instead of a pure tank with the way the skills are allocated to both classes.
 

SS Trooper

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I agree that Monk > Barb in tanking. I think the Monk class is more tank focused while Barb is suppose to be more of a tank/dps mix instead of a pure tank with the way the skills are allocated to both classes.

It also bugs me that they ignore a shield as anything but a piece of equipment. There should be some shield based skills or passives or something.
 

darkewaffle

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Well, wizard's can tank in inferno currently with kind of a bizarre build. I don't know the exact spec but I've played with a friend of mine doing it. Basically he spams his Whirlwinds and through some talent or passive whenever it crits it resets the cooldown on his Diamond Skin and his Frost Nova. So he basically runs into stuff, puts up his "slow projectile" bubble, spectral blades everything and spams whirlwind as much as he can. With enough enemies and a decent crit chance he can keep Diamond Skin up almost indefinitely and freeze-lock those immediately around him as well. With a shield and decent resistances Diamond Skin is actually fairly effective, though his damage is pretty lousy atm too.
 

Phoenix86

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I ditched my Monk's shield (26% Block and then Helm of Command +8%)

and now I am dual wielding and doing just fine. I thought the shield was absolutely necessary but now I don't think so.

(Side note. I can't beat Ghom. I have pretty good gear. So apparently I am not as good as I thought)
Shields aren't necessary but can provide a lot of dps, mine has 8.5% crit.

1H with shield dps: 29003
DW (2x 900 dps w/dex) dps: 28991

The nice thing about that much crit from a shield is you can pull off crit based builds easier. Sweeping wind-cyclone is pretty nice even with just 20%.
 

masterxfob

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Shields aren't necessary but can provide a lot of dps, mine has 8.5% crit.

1H with shield dps: 29003
DW (2x 900 dps w/dex) dps: 28991

The nice thing about that much crit from a shield is you can pull off crit based builds easier. Sweeping wind-cyclone is pretty nice even with just 20%.
you can get up to 10% crit chance on a shield, and can get up to 400% critical damage while dual wielding. adding mass critical damage is the better option if you can afford the weapons.
 

Magusigne

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most sites are selling gold at ~$2 per 1m gold. let me know where i can get it for $0.50. i'll buy a bunch of things and resell on RMAH.

This is what I was saying. LOL. The previous poster said he sold something for a profit of 3.25 dollars OR about 6 million gold equivilent.

I said Gold /= (does not Equal) 50 cents per 1 million.

It's 2 dollars per million lowest.
 

Imported

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Shields aren't necessary but can provide a lot of dps, mine has 8.5% crit.

1H with shield dps: 29003
DW (2x 900 dps w/dex) dps: 28991

The nice thing about that much crit from a shield is you can pull off crit based builds easier. Sweeping wind-cyclone is pretty nice even with just 20%.

I didn't think of that.. May have to look into shields more.

I only hit level 60 yesterday.. currently in Act 4 of Hell. Currently using a 617 DPS fist with +105% crit and +168 DEX on my main hand and a LOH on the off hand. Finding anything better will cost me a good million or more.
 

bonkers325

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I didn't think of that.. May have to look into shields more.

I only hit level 60 yesterday.. currently in Act 4 of Hell. Currently using a 617 DPS fist with +105% crit and +168 DEX on my main hand and a LOH on the off hand. Finding anything better will cost me a good million or more.

imo, shields are much better for monks in terms of DPS... it will actually let me stay in combat longer and my effective DPS will increase. i almost never die and when i see a group of elites, i'm usually actively dpsing 90% of the time (most groups have some sort of affix that will prevent me from standing still for too long)
 

JoPh

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any wizard tips?

right now i love ray of frost cause i can spam forever almost.. 12 cost 14 regen
 

onza

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This is what I was saying. LOL. The previous poster said he sold something for a profit of 3.25 dollars OR about 6 million gold equivilent.

I said Gold /= (does not Equal) 50 cents per 1 million.

It's 2 dollars per million lowest.

My bro told me about the error, but was too lazy to fix it so I let one of you guys fix it for me. Thanks

1million gold = 2.00 USD is the current going rate. I somehow got 6million by taking 3usd (my winnings) x 2 (going rate) = 6million (lol result)
 

Magusigne

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My bro told me about the error, but was too lazy to fix it so I let one of you guys fix it for me. Thanks

1million gold = 2.00 USD is the current going rate. I somehow got 6million by taking 3usd (my winnings) x 2 (going rate) = 6million (lol result)

I don't know what is wrong with me...I'm starting to turn into a forum troll..
 

Phoenix86

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you can get up to 10% crit chance on a shield, and can get up to 400% critical damage while dual wielding. adding mass critical damage is the better option if you can afford the weapons.
I'm not saying it's more damage with the right gear, just making sure people don't skip crit on shields. 1H+shield can still produce a ton of dps, in act3 shit just blows up for me.
 

Aikouka

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In regard to shields, since my Barbarian is closing in on 60, I took a look at level 60 shields. There are some decently priced items (I set my max as 40k gold to give you an idea), but is it worthwhile to prioritize ilevel 62 over ilevel 61? The block value is about 1k higher on the ilevel 62, and the prices don't necessarily differ that much. I think I picked up an 18% block ilevel 62 with strength and vitality. Although, I then took a look at shields similar to that, but with All Resists on them as well. They aren't much more expensive.

It also bugs me that they ignore a shield as anything but a piece of equipment. There should be some shield based skills or passives or something.

Now, I'm just leveling at this point (level 53) on my Barbarian, but I can't help but get the feeling that the Barbarian is a very poorly designed class. It seems like they tried to mimic the Warrior class from WoW, but did an awful job. The fact that I spend most of my time at full Rage is my biggest qualm. Some may say, "well, that's fine... just get the passive!" I'd bet a shiny penny that the passive in question (gives +damage when you're at max rage) was added because people would spend too much time at max rage.

I would be much, much more satisfied if they would adjust a few abilities to provide more outlets for Rage. For example, I think that Furious Charge should stop being like the Warrior's Charge ability and actually cost rage instead of providing it. The biggest difference is that Furious Charge actually deals a good amount of damage unlike Charge which simply stuns. Charge also has a minimum distance, which aludes to its true purpose: a gap closer. Furious Charge definitely serves a similar purpose (at least for me), but I will also use it as a damage ability, because it does ~200% weapon damage.

Along those lines, I do think the whole shield-based ability idea is nifty, but I think stuff like that got squashed with the talent tree concept. There really isn't a single ability that says you must have this specific weapon type. Barbarians do have a passive that provides different bonuses depending on weapon type (that's the reason why I don't use Mighty Weapons while leveling), but it doesn't really restrict you.
 

Phoenix86

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I didn't think of that.. May have to look into shields more.

I only hit level 60 yesterday.. currently in Act 4 of Hell. Currently using a 617 DPS fist with +105% crit and +168 DEX on my main hand and a LOH on the off hand. Finding anything better will cost me a good million or more.
Pretty sure I have a better starter 60 weapon for you.

Phoenix86#1432
 

nanobreath

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I used use Frenzy LB, Cleave RB, Pre-60 because I would just switch out cleave when I come to bosses. But not with the Neph stacking, it isn't worth it to use Cleave since you end up wasting a slot for a much more important skill when it comes to fighting champions, elites, and bosses.

My current set up is Frenzy + Maniac (+dmg), Threatening Shout + Falter (-atk spd), Warcry + Impunity (+res), Revenge + Provocation (+proc), Battle Rage + Marauder (+dmg), Wrath + Insanity (+dmg). Running the Passives Nerves of Steal (+armor), Zerker Rage (+dmg at max Rage), Tough as Nails (+armor).

Have been considering switching out Threatening Shout for Leap though.

Have you looked to see which passive actually provides more DPS for you? Depending on the weapon you use, other stats etc one of the other passives can provide more DPS.
 

SS Trooper

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Barbarians do have a passive that provides different bonuses depending on weapon type (that's the reason why I don't use Mighty Weapons while leveling), but it doesn't really restrict you.

Actually I think that passive is extremely broken. I believe maces get chance to stun, mighty weapons get extra fury, axes/polearms get crit, and swords get damage bonus. But swords dont just get a damage bonus, they get a ridiculous damage bonus. (I think its either 25 or 35%, but can't double check atm) As a 2 handed barb I do not even look at a weapon unless it's a sword. Actually I don't look at weapons because I found a BEAST sword that would cost over 50 million to upgrade.
 

DrunkenSano

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Have you looked to see which passive actually provides more DPS for you? Depending on the weapon you use, other stats etc one of the other passives can provide more DPS.

Two of the passives I picked for survivability, just in case I run into a really nasty champion combo pack. The other passives I don't see coming close to the 25% damage bonus at full rage.

Actually I think that passive is extremely broken. I believe maces get chance to stun, mighty weapons get extra fury, axes/polearms get crit, and swords get damage bonus. But swords dont just get a damage bonus, they get a ridiculous damage bonus. (I think its either 25 or 35%, but can't double check atm) As a 2 handed barb I do not even look at a weapon unless it's a sword. Actually I don't look at weapons because I found a BEAST sword that would cost over 50 million to upgrade.

Are you saying the weapon mastery passive for the sword is bugged? Because it gives 15% bonus for swords/daggers. Mage/axe gives 10% crit chance bonus.
 
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BadgerYou

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I can't wait to start mashing on shit with a Weapon with 850dps at lvl 50 (hurray for -10 level req)
 

mingsoup

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Just sold a -14 level 520DPS wand for 50,000, when I prolly could have got like 2mil for it. Some one is making a *very* lucrative flip on behalf of my stupidity. :| Oh well, at least I got something. I haven't been able to sell anything at all lately. First thing I've sold at all in prolly a week.

Anybody have any guides or articles on most sought after items, stats, pricing guides. It seems I don't really have a good sense of value of items yet. Mishaps like above, and nothing I put on AH or RMAH sells anymore.
 
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