**OFFICIAL** Diablo 3 Thread

[Stuka87]

The "valid argument" you tried to make against it is pretty laughable. So, because the way I play the game isn't how you play it, I am wrong and playing it wrong. Right? The only valid complaint against the game was the loot system wasn't ideal. It was literally "all items are 100% RNG except for a select few legendaries" and that meant that the vast majority of items just weren't good. The AH merely gave the availability for people with money to substitute that for time invested, which isn't a bad thing. If you have more money than time, something has to give. If I must complete the hardest levels to feel satisfaction, but don't have the time to farm all that gear, Diablo 3 isn't a game I can play now. Before, without any interference in YOUR playing, I could have had that satisfaction.

The AH has zero effect on your game, especially with loot 2.0. Had they simply not made everything BoA and kept the AH, the exact same game would exist, except I would be doing T6 long before you (because I have hundreds of millions of gold, and wouldn't have sold my billions before).

While you may think this, and its similar to what Blizzard thought (Along with getting rid of 3rd party sites that scammed people), it is not the way it actually worked.

It ultimately caused massive inflation of everything. Everybody put things up on the AH because there was no reason not too. This caused everybody to play the game only to find things that they could sell. This caused a massive paradigm shift in how people played the game. It made it impossible to NOT use the AH because the cost of everything was so inflated. This is one of the reasons gem's are so much cheaper to make now, you don't need millions in gold to do simple things anymore.

the number of people that like the AH is FAR outnumbered by the people that detest it. Games that have Pay to Play setups typically go downhill because it removes the aspect of accomplishment. You played through and earned what you have. As opposed to you bought something so you can play, and therefore have no real sense of worth that you built your character as opposed to buying it.

And its not like you have to have the best gear to have fun anyway. Thats why there is 14 difficulty settings. You can always find the best difficulty to play at. If you have no time to play, then Diablo (Or any RPG style game) is not a game you should look to play.

 

[desura]

So from the sounds of it, people are objecting to the spammy aspect of the AH...well, then how about simply having insertion fees? Or limits on number of items you can have?

At the very least they should have kept an AH similar to World of Warcraft's, only with real money aspect removed, and simply resigned themselves to playing whack-a-mole with cheaters.

 

[smackababy]

I started on T2 and switched to T1 some time after the graveyard. I am up to the point where you are fighting on the battering ram. Still no set items. Lots of legendaries though. Do you find more sets or legendaries? About what ratio do you find them?

Are you 70 yet? I've actually only found one set piece (well, I've found like 10 wailing hosts, but those are junk and don't count). I think they might only drop for 70, but I didn't put in a lot of time between 60-69. I went through Act 5 and hit 70 before the end.

While you may think this, and its similar to what Blizzard thought (Along with getting rid of 3rd party sites that scammed people), it is not the way it actually worked.

It ultimately caused massive inflation of everything. Everybody put things up on the AH because there was no reason not too. This caused everybody to play the game only to find things that they could sell. This caused a massive paradigm shift in how people played the game. It made it impossible to NOT use the AH because the cost of everything was so inflated. This is one of the reasons gem's are so much cheaper to make now, you don't need millions in gold to do simple things anymore.

Again, how does simply avoiding the AH not solve all the problems? The alternative we get now is that gems are "easier" to come by (except they are still incredibly expensive and require a vast amount of time to get the later ones) and gear for characters we don't intend to play or gear that is even slightly below our current gear (no matter how good) is salvage material. If I find a legendary that is not better than one in my current slow and can't be used on another character, I have no choice but to salvage it. And, even when I do find an upgrade, my current legendary is now salvage. Items have zero value outside of what they can be used for at that moment.

the number of people that like the AH is FAR outnumbered by the people that detest it. Games that have Pay to Play setups typically go downhill because it removes the aspect of accomplishment. You played through and earned what you have. As opposed to you bought something so you can play, and therefore have no real sense of worth that you built your character as opposed to buying it.

The people who were the most vocal about being against the AH had two arguments: the drop rates were intentionally kept to a minimum to force players to use it (which I believe is BS, but that is because I actually put in a lot of time in D2 and remember how it was before duping) and that other people could "pay 2 win" (which is stupid, because there is literally zero competitive aspect to this game. Who cares if someone has more DPS than you and how the acquired said DPS.

And its not like you have to have the best gear to have fun anyway. Thats why there is 14 difficulty settings. You can always find the best difficulty to play at. If you have no time to play, then Diablo (Or any RPG style game) is not a game you should look to play.

And some people prefer to do harder difficulties or prefer just to see big numbers pop up when they hit. Who are you to tell me what to enjoy in a game? Guess what? I don't enjoy being a scrub who can't do the harder difficulties and I think you're playing the game wrong and suck at it because you can't do T6. I only have fun when I am doing the hardest difficult. Is my enjoyment of the game wrong or is yours?*

The AH "problem" that it is required is removed with loot 2.0. There was no reason to go further and ruin the entire community aspect. I can't trade any items I find. I can't even give them away. And, with the addition of ladders, those could have been completely AH free and the people who hate the AH could have played there, with those that either liked it, tolerated it, or didn't care could have played standard league. Everyone would have been happy (except for people on the Blizzard forums, because they are the angriest scum of the Earth).


*this isn't really how I feel, but I am just making a point. Some people do feel that way and I don't think it is right to try and claim they are playing wrong.

 

[flexy]

Prior to 2.0, it always felt like that to me. There was maybe one or two legendaries that ever dropped for me that I used. Now, it's like Majes said, you're simply playing the one or two hours for your guaranteed timer leg drop. Granted I can say I've had 3-4 legs drop in an hour, but something like that has only happened on one day since I started playing RoS.

I'm not sure how I feel about legendary items and rares now. The legs have a slightly higher stat range for most slots, aside from amulets which a leg amulet will give you a huge boost in dps due to elemental damage %, cc%, and cd%. However, most legendary items still only have 4 primary affixes... which seems kinda lame but the drop rate is so high now... I dunno.

The "leg timer" nonsense is one of those myths who doesn't seem to go away and I crinch any time I read about it.

It's a MYTH, It's not true.

There is no "leg timer", except one "emergency timer" blizzard implemented which would only kick in in rare circumstances where someone played for 6 or 7 hours and happened to NOT get a leg. THEN the drop chances for a leg are greatly increased. This doesn't affect 99,99% of gamers since hardly anyone plays 7 hours not getting a leg.

THE REST IS RNG <----

It just happens that due to avg. farming rate or whatever people do on avg. within two hours chances are very high that IN THIS TIME (approx 2 hours) a leg will be dropping....but it's a result from the RNG and drop rate NOT FROM SOME MYSTERIOUS TIMER which times you and then drops you a leg in certain intervals "when the time is up".

I wish people would stop spreading this nonsense.

As for the other statement "I wish the mystic would be able to reroll legs" <-- Sorry did I oversee something? The mystic DOES re-roll legs. He even can roll you sockets on leg weapons, by the way. Don't know what you mean with "I wish the mystic could re-roll legs" otherwise.

 

[smackababy]

The "leg timer" nonsense is one of those myths who doesn't seem to go away and I crinch any time I read about it.

It's a MYTH, It's not true.

There is no "leg timer", except one "emergency timer" blizzard implemented which would only kick in in rare circumstances where someone played for 6 or 7 hours and happened to NOT get a leg. THEN the drop chances for a leg are greatly increased. This doesn't affect 99,99% of gamers since hardly anyone plays 7 hours not getting a leg.

THE REST IS RNG <----

It just happens that due to avg. farming rate or whatever people do on avg. within two hours chances are very high that IN THIS TIME (approx 2 hours) a leg will be dropping....but it's a result from the RNG and drop rate NOT FROM SOME MYSTERIOUS TIMER which times you and then drops you a leg in certain intervals "when the time is up".

I wish people would stop spreading this nonsense.

As for the other statement "I wish the mystic would be able to reroll legs" <-- Sorry did I oversee something? The mystic DOES re-roll legs. He even can roll you sockets on leg weapons, by the way. Don't know what you mean with "I wish the mystic could re-roll legs" otherwise.

There was a blue post about the "emergency time" being set at 1.5 hours and they were tweaking it to possibly 10 hours. There is one, but the actual time is currently unknown.

Also, I think the actual drop rate for lengendaries pre level 70 is much higher than once you hit 70.

 

[TheFamilyMan]

So from the sounds of it, people are objecting to the spammy aspect of the AH...well, then how about simply having insertion fees? Or limits on number of items you can have?

At the very least they should have kept an AH similar to World of Warcraft's, only with real money aspect removed, and simply resigned themselves to playing whack-a-mole with cheaters.

If they were to keep an AH similiar to WoW's, then they'd have to have partcular ways players could actually get better gear vs. relying on the pure and utterly illogical randomness of the drops to upgrade. I'm all in favor of having certain main story-line bosses or named purples/oranges have higher drop rates for certain legendaries/set items/better gear. Having just as good a chance of getting that last (or first) set piece/legendary from breaking a barrel, running over a corpse, or actually killing a mob is just plain silly. We're basically playing a D3 version of the one-armed bandits of Las Vegas.

That's okay when it comes to just general white mobs and dungeon-crawling but elites, champion packs, purples, oranges, and story-line bosses should have something better to offer. Crafting should be a bit better defined. The re-rolling on the Mystic is probably pretty good as it is right now and I actually like it the way it is. We should get more stash space. We should get better options on jewelry. There's a ton of stuff they could do to increase player way-of-life and replayability. As it stands now, their only approach to replayability is just keep chasing the carrot hanging out there on a very long stick.

 

[lupi]

One thing I really wish they'd do is have to spell text change based on your spec/gear so you actually can just see what you revised c/d time and such is.

 

[CU]

Are you 70 yet? I've actually only found one set piece (well, I've found like 10 wailing hosts, but those are junk and don't count). I think they might only drop for 70, but I didn't put in a lot of time between 60-69. I went through Act 5 and hit 70 before the end.

Just turned lvl 70, so maybe that is it.

 

[flexy]

There was a blue post about the "emergency time" being set at 1.5 hours and they were tweaking it to possibly 10 hours. There is one, but the actual time is currently unknown.

Also, I think the actual drop rate for lengendaries pre level 70 is much higher than once you hit 70.

Whether and what other criteria there are for legs to drop would be interesting to find out - but I am pretty sure that blizzard will never disclose this information.

What I personally noticed, a rather LARGE number of legs is usually dropping for me immediately after I start an act...basically the first pack, chest etc. before I actually start farming. I also *think* this happens normally when some time went by and no leg dropped within (possibly??) two hours. Ok I realize this contradicts what I said earlier, but it's just my observation - it could also be just coincidence, literally. So..theory could be that indeed some "timer is up" and at that time chances are then increased greatly so that the first action you do after those 2 hours drops you a leg.

That being said..I am kind-of tired of the many complain posts, not here but mainly on the D3 about drop rates, "legs per hour" etc..etc... I personally think drop rates are fine if not on the high side, WAY too high maybe. Look, there are wizards right now hitting 1.5M DPS with top-tier gear after SEVEN DAYS....and people are continuing to cry about the alleged poor leg drop rate.

This is ridiculous, I remember back when the game came out it took me months until I even saw my first green dropping.

To me it seems that game is full with a large amount of whiners who expect having paif $40 for the expansion and after SEVEN DAYS having top tier gear being able to run T6 up and down. This is just absurd. Oh...why aren't legs dropping every hour? I play 1 hour every day and STILL cannot do T6 effortlessly. Seriously it just pisses me off.

 

[smackababy]

I could understand a timer, because it would extremely frustrating to play for like 12 hours straight and not get a single drop, give up, and come back the next day for the same result. However, that was the reality in D2 and vanilla D3.

I don't have a problem with the drop rate now except for 2 things: mighty belts drop far, far, far, far, far, far, far, too often and I seem to get a ton of cloaks on my DH, all of which are garbage and useless on any other character.

1.5mil isn't even in the top 5 DPS unbuffed on diabloprogress IIRC. People complaining because they aren't getting the drops to to T6 as soon as they hit 70 are the same people who cried because they couldn't do top end raid content after hitting max level in WoW (and sadly, Blizzard made it so they could).

 

[desura]

So okay, is the expansion worth it?

About myself...I'm not a hardcore diablo player. I played through it *one* time with a warrior, and I definitely enjoyed the playthrough, but I couldn't get myself to care playing thru it again.

I actually enjoyed the story a lot. IMO it is one of the better video game stories out there.

Also, I'm thinking about just playing it on the PS3 or xbox 360 (which version is better? I don't have xbox gold), and waiting for the expac to be released on them. While I do have a superior gaming pc, I really hate click to move and I really would prefer to play the game with a control pad.

 

[trmiv]

1.5 mil dps? Holy crap. And I got happy when I hit 250k earlier today. Damn I need better equipment.

 

[slpnshot]

So okay, is the expansion worth it?

About myself...I'm not a hardcore diablo player. I played through it *one* time with a warrior, and I definitely enjoyed the playthrough, but I couldn't get myself to care playing thru it again.

I actually enjoyed the story a lot. IMO it is one of the better video game stories out there.

Also, I'm thinking about just playing it on the PS3 or xbox 360 (which version is better? I don't have xbox gold), and waiting for the expac to be released on them. While I do have a superior gaming pc, I really hate click to move and I really would prefer to play the game with a control pad.

I'm enjoying the game and it seems like they focused a lot in making the game approachable for players that are either new or unable to play as often. The fact that you can get decent gear from just spamming bounties on normal lets a lot of fresh 70s with crap gear easily catch up for people with middling gear.

I'm actually curious how the game plays on a controller. I play DH and my main damage ability Cluster Shot can be directed to explode in the middle of a large pack by using the mouse. If I were to play with a controller/console, does that mean the Cluster Shot will just explode on first contact with enemy?

 

[Schfifty Five]

So okay, is the expansion worth it?

About myself...I'm not a hardcore diablo player. I played through it *one* time with a warrior, and I definitely enjoyed the playthrough, but I couldn't get myself to care playing thru it again.

I actually enjoyed the story a lot. IMO it is one of the better video game stories out there.

Also, I'm thinking about just playing it on the PS3 or xbox 360 (which version is better? I don't have xbox gold), and waiting for the expac to be released on them. While I do have a superior gaming pc, I really hate click to move and I really would prefer to play the game with a control pad.

This game is not a one and done game. You have to repeat dungeons, maps, etc to find loot. You don't have to be hardcore and spend 8 hours a day either. Hell, 30min - 1 hour here and there is still fine. But if you had trouble playing D3 vanilla more than once, then you probably shouldn't buy the expansion.

I will say this though, the expansion (and patch 2.0) does make the game a hell of a lot more fun than before.

 

[Qbah]

Login is dead for me. Blizz saying something about DDoS attacks... Also, the game starts to stutter really bad after a while and just stops. I have to hard reset the PC (it has never happened to me before...) and I got the game to show the error once (something with the desktop app and a lot of gibberish, error coming from the application itself). Well, I can't not use it! D: It sucks so bad if I get it during a bounty hunt or just before finishing a rift... And I can't do anything except hard reset the PC... Sometimes after an hour, sometimes it doesn't happen at all, very random and very annoying!

 

[desura]

Well, I tend to approach games like novels nowadays. When I started on the second playthrough, it felt like I was essentially...playing a slot machine. Difficulty is arbitrary. Maybe I'm overthinking this stuff.

So the story of the expansion...it seems from my brief read that it's kind of tertiary. IMO the D3 story was pretty epic and it seems to have tied a lot into previous Diablo games (which I haven't played too much of, to be honest). reading brief synopsis of the expansion it doesn't seem related at all, is just an excuse of a story to get more loot and kill more stuff.

or am I wrong? at least does it have good cinematics?

 

[smackababy]

I had heard something about the EU servers getting hammered by a DDoS. Try Ctrl-Alt-Del and then task manager. On Windows 7, it should remove focus from the D3 executable and allow you to force close it. I've had this happen once so far (when I foolishly clicked on an achievement someone in the AT guild got...).

 

[Qbah]

I had heard something about the EU servers getting hammered by a DDoS. Try Ctrl-Alt-Del and then task manager. On Windows 7, it should remove focus from the D3 executable and allow you to force close it. I've had this happen once so far (when I foolishly clicked on an achievement someone in the AT guild got...).

Tried ctrl+alt+del each time, no luck. The mouse eventually locks up and the sound just loops or hangs and I have to hard reset Sometimes I get a gray screen and it ends up needing a reset each time. Very annoying!

Also, login still dead. I managed to finish one bounty, wanted to finish a pack and teleport back to another bounty - game started to stutter, locked up, had to reboot, now it's not even connecting... ehh... no D3 for me tonight.

 

[Harabec]

Someone mentioned Set pieces...my Wizard (level 65) just got a nice Set off-hand killing random mobs in a rift.
Adventure mode is fun! The rifts however are meh.

The stat rerolling is too pricey IMO, considering you're only changing 1 stat, usually not even the main one - and you may need to do it 3-4 times to get something better.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Someone mentioned Set pieces...my Wizard (level 65) just got a nice Set off-hand killing random mobs in a rift.
Adventure mode is fun! The rifts however are meh.

The stat rerolling is too pricey IMO, considering you're only changing 1 stat, usually not even the main one - and you may need to do it 3-4 times to get something better.

I got a pretty nice Chantodo's Will (set wand) after only playing like 30 minutes for the first time for RoS.

Also, speaking of enchanting/mystic, is there a website that shows the prices off enchanting? I haven't tested out it yet so I don't know what the costs are but I keep reading/hearing that it's like 10's of millions each time (for higher end items).

 

[Schfifty Five]

Well, I tend to approach games like novels nowadays. When I started on the second playthrough, it felt like I was essentially...playing a slot machine. Difficulty is arbitrary. Maybe I'm overthinking this stuff.

So the story of the expansion...it seems from my brief read that it's kind of tertiary. IMO the D3 story was pretty epic and it seems to have tied a lot into previous Diablo games (which I haven't played too much of, to be honest). reading brief synopsis of the expansion it doesn't seem related at all, is just an excuse of a story to get more loot and kill more stuff.

or am I wrong? at least does it have good cinematics?

Don't forget this is only 1 extra Act. You won't get as long or deep or a story in that time as you would with 4 acts. As far as I know, there's only the intro cinematic and then the ending is one of those animated/hand drawn cutscenes. I haven't beaten the game though so I can't say for sure.

 

[orbster556]

Except a much larger portion of the community didn't want (or didn't like how it evolved) the AH so the 1 percenters lost out.

Makes sense to have everyone worse off in the name of egalitarianism.

 

[Anubis]

To me it seems that game is full with a large amount of whiners who expect having paif $40 for the expansion and after SEVEN DAYS having top tier gear being able to run T6 up and down. This is just absurd. Oh...why aren't legs dropping every hour? I play 1 hour every day and STILL cannot do T6 effortlessly. Seriously it just pisses me off.

those people would complain even if the AH still existed

 

[trmiv]

I think I'm going to take a monk to 70 next. I want a melee character in addition to my wizard. Leveled monk, barb and crusader all to about 14 and I think I prefer the monk overall. I really want to like the crusader but so far it's just "meh" to me. I just had more fun with the monk.

 

[smackababy]

I got a pretty nice Chantodo's Will (set wand) after only playing like 30 minutes for the first time for RoS.

Also, speaking of enchanting/mystic, is there a website that shows the prices off enchanting? I haven't tested out it yet so I don't know what the costs are but I keep reading/hearing that it's like 10's of millions each time (for higher end items).

It is not 10s of millions. It is a few thousand gold the first time. The most I've seen (and I've only rerolled an item this high once) was like 150,000. Granted, I never look at how much it costs because I have tons of gold.