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ch33zw1z

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I like the idea of Greater Rifts, the issue I have with them is the seemingly large variance the same level GRift can have. I can smoke a 40 with my DH one time, the next time I get destroyed because of the difference in packs.
 

sweenish

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Honestly even close to perm would help a ton. There are no ZDPS in AT that I know of, I have a crusader but would rather do damage.

Thing is, even in that split second where I lose hold, I will die every time. I basically need perma-cc, as much for myself as for the party. I think I tried to zDPS a high 30 or low 40 once, it was miserable. Because when I lost cc, I'd get one-shot every time, and the group was completely scattered. It has to be perma, or I'm just worthless. Perma BBV would just be icing on the cake.

I'm enjoying the crap out of my barb at the moment, so I'm not too keen on the endless farm for SMK and a 7 or 8 second tiki at the moment.

But, I may still be able to chip in some high 40 - low 50 stuff after I get a gift and enough of the WW set.
 

cronos

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You just need gear before you worry too much about rolls. However, rolls are the fastest way to see some immediate improvements. If you don't get what you want within a few rolls, don't blow all your resources, since most of gear needs to be replaced, anyway.
Here are my tips:
* As for things you can do immediately,
- Roll 3 sockets into the chest. Roll off the hydra or something. Stick topazes in there.
- Roll off vit or atk spd on the gloves into CHD.
- Roll armor to CC on your bracers.
- Roll vit to socket in your weapon and stick the biggest emerald you have in it.
- Roll +electrocute on pants to armor or all-res or a skill that you're actually using.
- Your amulet has +lightning. Your source is +fire. You want your +elementals to agree.
- Put a diamond or amethyst in your helm, that topaz isn't doing you any good.
- Pick a build that you want to run. This will help you focus your farming/gambling

* What you should probably focus on for now:
- Farm Act I bounties until you get the Ring of Royal Grandeur. If you don't have enough set pieces to take advantage of it yet, at least you'll have one. You'll have a lot more rift stones and you'll have gained some paragon levels.
- Once you have what you feel is a decent amount of rift stones, run regular rifts. Legendary drop rate is doubled in a rift. It doesn't mean it will start to rain legendaries, but you'll get more than if you were doing bounties, and you'll also get blood shards.
- When it comes to gambling your shards, you'll live on the armor tab. Slots where you don't have a set item, you're going to want a set item.
- (!)If you don't have the following plans, that I mention, don't worry. As you run bounties and rifts, you'll eventually kill the malevolent tormentor goblin a couple times. They drop a ton of plans.
- Craft Aughild's bracer and chest.
- Craft Captain Crimson pants and belt.
- Keep any class-specific set pieces you find. (Firebird, Vyr's, Delsere's, Tal Rasha)
- Don't break the Aughild or Crimson set bonuses until you can replace them with class specific set bonuses. You don't need a full set, but I'd recommend at least getting the 4 piece bonus.
- Party up with us in the clan. The group bonus to item drops will help you immensely, and we're usually down with dragging you through some rifts and grifts at higher difficulties.

As for for legendary gem upgrades, here's an example. To have a 100% chance of upgrading a lvl. 14 gem to 15, you must have finished at least grift level 24. Every level you fall under that is a 10% hit. So from gem level 0 to 1 is at least grift 9 or 10. Not sure exactly how the zero behaves.

I'm not to knowledgable on the Wizard in this patch, but I think you still pretty much need the 6 piece bonus for Firebird before you can just jump into T6. The other sets might get you closer (T5) with just the 4 piece.

EDIT: Took a closer look.

Thanks for all that! I read this last night and did some of the changes you mentioned.

I also changed my build (and got some minor upgrades, armory hasn't updated yet) and it made a huge difference in my clearing speed. I'm still tweaking it, but it now feels a lot funner than before.

I'll farm some more Act I bounties to get the ring, and do some rifts as well. Hopefully I get some legendary drops, if not to use at least to get some shards to reroll stats. All fresh out now.

How do I join the clan, just search for Anandtech?
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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How do I join the clan, just search for Anandtech?

Yea, in the clan area of the bottom right menu's (inside d3, you know, where friends and stuff is), just search for anandtech and request a join. one of the officers will accept it.

Send the OP on the first page and pm and add your d3 tag to teh list on page one so we know it's you
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Woot, got my full magnum opus with F/R on seasons. Cleared a 36 in 8 minutes, it has a lot more potential.
 

sweenish

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The WW set is pretty awesome.

Running WW6/IK4 (physical), and I can solo 46 relatively easy. Might have to switch my BotT to esoteric or gizzard for better survivability to push higher.

I'm kind of amazed I can clear that high. Part power creep, part I've played a little too much lately.

Looking to add ancient versions of gear, and get a hellfire.

I should use my shards to get a decent wiz/crusader. They are the only classes I don't have T6-capable yet.
 

ChairShot

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I'm running full WW and plan on adding hex pants to see how high I can push it... Will look in a hellfire ammy as well sooner than later

To run WW + IK you need the IK weapon right?
 

sweenish

Diamond Member
May 21, 2013
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IK belt and weapon are required.

I have a 4K dmg ancient IKBB.

I run convention of elements in group, and unity for solo. Wouldn't mind getting a hold of a good +phys SoJ for some elite damage. But it would have to be pretty good, as my convention ring actually rolled pretty nice. A better RoRG (natural socket or CHD) would also be a big boost. I actually have to play 45-46 a few times over to level my gems. Have my taeguk up to 35, want my other gems to catch up.
 

redrider4life4

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Thanks for all that! I read this last night and did some of the changes you mentioned.

I also changed my build (and got some minor upgrades, armory hasn't updated yet) and it made a huge difference in my clearing speed. I'm still tweaking it, but it now feels a lot funner than before.

I'll farm some more Act I bounties to get the ring, and do some rifts as well. Hopefully I get some legendary drops, if not to use at least to get some shards to reroll stats. All fresh out now.

How do I join the clan, just search for Anandtech?

Don't farm for the RoRG, it is the most useless ring possible for a wizard. You are much better off using CoE, Unity, Focus, Restraint, or HoA. Unity + HoA for solo is ideal, you can face tank up to low 50 GRs and for parties when you have tank/cc you should be using focus/restraint.

Once I got 2 pc tals, Nilfur boots, and CoE I saw 2-3B meteors from the set bonus (fire+arcane). This was enough to essentially speed farm T6 rifts and GR30-35s. End game your Hydra does about 75% of your dps with Tasker and Theo and the serpent sparker wand, but you need a certain amount of attack speed to reach the breakpoints.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Eggochiggo-1374/hero/60188241
 

*kjm

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The WW set is pretty awesome.

Running WW6/IK4 (physical), and I can solo 46 relatively easy. Might have to switch my BotT to esoteric or gizzard for better survivability to push higher.

I'm kind of amazed I can clear that high. Part power creep, part I've played a little too much lately.

Looking to add ancient versions of gear, and get a hellfire.

I should use my shards to get a decent wiz/crusader. They are the only classes I don't have T6-capable yet.

Sweenish can you link to your build for me to see it? I played one day with mine and did a 43 with half the timmer left(solo) then started doing rift runs with others in the group so I didn't have time to see how high I could push it. I need to build up my toughness big time just have to think of how I can pull it off Any ideas are welcome....

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Carmmond-1821/hero/6438275
 

sweenish

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May 21, 2013
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They still have to get up to being able to farm that stuff.

RoRG is still a step on that path. And it's easily targeted.

Just skip the purgatory, and jump right into speed farming is not going to be very helpful advice.

@*kjm
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/sweenish182-1340/hero/24404809

Your IKBB is crazy awesome. I think I've told you that before. Only thing I can see is the element on your Wraps should maybe be physical. You're not using any fire skills that I can see.

Toughness just kind of happened for me. I gained a few million as I was switching gear over from IK6. I think some of the offensive rolls like atk speed and cooldown just have to go to all-res/vit. At 46, trash still falls plenty fast, and I just have to "drag" elites with me so that they eventually die. If I get a decent hellfire, boon of bul-kathos might be my fifth passive at first. Most of the time I get into real trouble is the couple seconds where WotB is down.

If the grift is good, I think I have a 47 in me.

I should watch a stream or two to see if there's something I'm missing for doing 50. One thing I saw was that IK gloves can have a chance to stun in the secondary, so paired with strongarms (I have a nice ancient pair), you could potentially do a lot of extra damage. I imagine dust devils have a pretty good proc ratio.
 
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redrider4life4

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RoRG is a step in the wrong direction when you can just join a public rift group and get carried. You will get far better geared just running rifts than farming for an RoRG, the RoRG has no use late game or now with no set pieces, you are just setting yourself back even further.

It has been proven farming for an RoRG is not worth it until you can solo t6 to guarantee the legendary drop, anyone who farms the other way around is gimping themselves.
 

*kjm

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@*kjm

Your IKBB is crazy awesome. I think I've told you that before. Only thing I can see is the element on your Wraps should maybe be physical. You're not using any fire skills that I can see.

Thanks I have had 3 drop and this was the best so far. You bring up a good point though.... I will change the wraps to physical. I did re-roll the IKBB to fire if I would re-roll again to just damage is that considered physical?

Like the IK gloves idea may give it a run because I have an ancient pair and the set of bracers.

Have you tried the Eun-jang-do on your follower yet? It works great fighting the boss they sit frozen for the last 20% of their life
 

OCNewbie

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I completed a level 48 GR with my 6WotW/4IK barb the other day. I'm using an ancient IKBB. There was less than a minute remaining when I completed it though. Single target damage sucks compared to the clear speed. I got to the boss of a 49 with about 7.5 mins to go, but didn't have close to the dps to finish in time. I did die a number of times against that boss however. It was Saxtris, on a fairly tight map. It was hard to distinguish between his tornadoes and my own.
 
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sweenish

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...and get carried.

Maximum efficiency is not always maximum fun. Wizard may be in a place where they're better off without RoRG, but that still makes a lot of assumptions about skipping purgatory.

One doesn't magically get all six set pieces. And until you do, RoRG has its place.

It's also still FAR easier to target RoRG than trying to target any two rings you listed, let alone the F + R set. I would argue that trying to go after a Unity when you can't even speedclear T6 is far more worthless than the RoRG farm.

So it may not be endgame, but I wasn't exactly handing out end-game advice. That much should have been obvious. Especially if you had looked at their profile.

Thanks I have had 3 drop and this was the best so far. You bring up a good point though.... I will change the wraps to physical. I did re-roll the IKBB to fire if I would re-roll again to just damage is that considered physical?

Like the IK gloves idea may give it a run because I have an ancient pair and the set of bracers.

Have you tried the Eun-jang-do on your follower yet? It works great fighting the boss they sit frozen for the last 20% of their life
I don't think weapon damage type is affected, although I could be wrong. I think it's purely skills that get the +elemental buff. In any case, all you'd be doing is spamming WW anyway, so the WW and CotA damage is what would get buffed.

I had one of those weapons and debated putting it on my follower. I eventually passed. If I ever get another to drop, i might try it out. My follower is currently running a sunkeeper.
 
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*kjm

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I had one of those weapons and debated putting it on my follower. I eventually passed. If I ever get another to drop, i might try it out. My follower is currently running a sunkeeper.

It works so good I thought the game had locked up or something the RG never moved a muscle.
 

OCNewbie

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I think followers are generally best used for their utility, not with the hope that they will actually supplement your damage in any significant way. I did hear/read that followers, in really high level GR's, can do significant damage via the effect of the Bul-Kathos's ring, however.
 

sweenish

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Mine is used for utility in that they do have a unity and bul-kathos ring, and an ess of johan.

That weapon rolled that they would be frozen at 17% health for me. As nice as that may be, it's just such a small chunk of their life. Like I said, though, I'll give it a shot if I get another to drop.

My follower had a thunderfury before the sunkeeper, and the lightning proc was pretty nice paired up with the amulet pulling everything together.
 
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Jumpem

Lifer
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Don't farm for the RoRG, it is the most useless ring possible for a wizard. You are much better off using CoE, Unity, Focus, Restraint, or HoA. Unity + HoA for solo is ideal, you can face tank up to low 50 GRs and for parties when you have tank/cc you should be using focus/restraint.

Once I got 2 pc tals, Nilfur boots, and CoE I saw 2-3B meteors from the set bonus (fire+arcane). This was enough to essentially speed farm T6 rifts and GR30-35s. End game your Hydra does about 75% of your dps with Tasker and Theo and the serpent sparker wand, but you need a certain amount of attack speed to reach the breakpoints.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Eggochiggo-1374/hero/60188241

Using what build at that point?
 

TallBill

Lifer
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Definitely need to keep my eye out for the eun jang do. Hoping for plvl 400 this weekend on seasons.
 

sweenish

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Got another one, rolled 18% instead of 17%, so that's a bonus.

Put it on my follower, haven't had a chance to try it yet.
 

redrider4life4

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Using what build at that point?

You only need 2 pc tals to make the build I have in my profile work, the meteors are very strong. 6 pc tals is just the icing on the cake, I was able to be useful in t6 with 2 pc and just random dmg pieces elsewhere.

My build on wizard since season 1 has always been an electorcute/disintegrate build for t1-t3 with a 2h weapon (1H use your resource too fast). The biggest mistake people make on Wizard is getting attack speed, it only makes your sheet dps go up, but your actual dps will not go up.

The only builds that use attack speed are end game hydra builds with near perfect Tasker and Theos because you need to reach certain attack speed breakpoints.

If anyone plays US servers I can run them through some T6 and grifts for some gear tonight, be on around 8 eastern. It's much easier to play this game in groups so if you are playing completely solo you are really gimping yourself for finding gear and leveling. If you enjoy playing solo then I can respect that, but you are normally much better off just joining public games if your goal is just get geared faster.
 

*kjm

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It's much easier to play this game in groups so if you are playing completely solo you are really gimping yourself for finding gear and leveling. If you enjoy playing solo then I can respect that, but you are normally much better off just joining public games if your goal is just get geared faster.

True it's easier unless it's a high lvl grift. Only time I'm solo is if no one else is on, moving inventory, trying out a new build for the first time, crafting, trying to better my solo grift lvl to up shard stack lvl or the whole clan is playing seasons:whiste:
Best loot is if you are lucky enough to get all the same class playing in a group.
 

digiram

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So many changes, I don't know where to start. I like the changes though and I'm glad Blizzard continues to support the game.
 
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