***Official Discussing the Merits of the Iraqi Conflict thread*** How many casualties are acceptable - on both sides?

[Fencer128]

i take it your going to ask for a link for something i heard on the radio when they were talkign to a washington correspondent

No - I wouldn't expect there to be a link to that. It just seems a little *convienient*

Cheers ,

Andy

Woohoo - 1000 posts

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: Alistar7


me too, been looking for better than 2 hours, maybe I need to start jotting them all down, assumed I would EASILY find a list...ANYONE?????

Oh for fvck's sake, here.

And I still submit that:

Afghanistan+ Albania+ Azerbaijan+ Bulgaria+ Colombia+ the Czech Republic+ Denmark+ El Salvador+ Eritrea+ Estonia+ Ethiopia+ Georgia+ Hungary+ Latvia+ Lithuania+ Macedonia+ the Netherlands+ Nicaragua+ the Philippines+ Poland+ Romania+ Slovakia+ Uzbekistan != Russia, or any country that anyone remotely gives a damn about.

UHHMM thanks for reposting the link I put up hours ago... was looking for the list of the nations publicy opposed, but thanks for reading the whole thread before flaming me.....

 

[BooGiMaN]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

i take it your going to ask for a link for something i heard on the radio when they were talkign to a washington correspondent

No - I wouldn't expect there to be a link to that. It just seems a little *convienient*

Cheers ,

Andy

lol looks like in this post you and i are the only ones that can go back an forth without insults

 

[Alistar7]

I cant even ask for a NUMBER without getting flamed, lol...

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Alistar7



UHHMM thanks for reposting the link I put up hours ago... was looking for the list of the nations publicy opposed, but thanks for reading the whole thread before flaming me.....

What the hell is the matter with you? There's 6 in the article you posted but apparently didn't read. Here's some more.

 

[BooGiMaN]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I cant even ask for a NUMBER without getting flamed, lol...

awww fvck it the war is happening and whether your for it or against it..there isnt anything we can do about it...soooo....next round is on me

 

[Fencer128]

lol looks like in this post you and i are the only ones that can go back an forth without insults

It takes a lot to make me mad, but when someone does..... :disgust: (not pretty!)

Seriously, I find that as soon as someone lets rip with the insults - credibility often disappears without trace. That's why I always hold back. Even if my arguement is looking a bit shakey - an angry opponent makes me look better again

Andy

EDIT: Off to bed (1:22 am here). Hopefully pick this up sometime tomorrow if it survives the night. Saying that I'm at the gf for the weekend, so I'll only be intermittent until Monday. Good night!

 

[etech]

BooGiMaN

from what i understand powell went to chirac and told him they would go ahead with 1441...IF.... france would back them every step of the way...france agreed and proceeded to neatly backstab us when the it came down to the nitty gritty

I read that story and can't find it now. The Powell statement was something like this.

'Don't vote for Resolution 1441 if you aren't willing to follow through and vote to enforce it.'

Iraq did not meet the terms, France said they would veto any resolution involving force which was an effective backstab to the US and well, you know the rest.

 

[tcsenter]

Because its a Republican president waging it. Had Clinton had the balls to depose Hussein as he wanted to, instead of guiding his policies by the daily popularity/approval polls, there would only be a fraction of the protestors out there.

Case in point:

Our local TV channel just interviewed the ORGANIZER of an antiwar protest in Sacramento and asked why they were protesting the war. Her reply spoke little about the merits of war, or the lack thereof. Instead she went off on some diatribe about the Bush Administration and how the Patriot Act is 'destroying' the First and Fourth Amendments. This is pretty typical of the dozen or more interviews with antiwar protestors I've seen.

IOW: their motives are 10% antiwar and 90% anti-Bush/Republican. Most of these people are bitter Democrats (i.e. Moonbeam) exploiting the opportunity to take a swipe at the Bush administration, not the war. The war is just an excuse.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

IOW: their motives are 10% antiwar and 90% anti-Bush/Republican. Most of these people are bitter Democrats (i.e. Moonbeam) exploiting the opportunity to take a swipe at the Bush administration, not the war. The war is just an excuse.

The inability to separate the party from it's members or actions is fairly universal. Ask people who voted for Bush/Gore why they did so, and chances are they'll say "because he's a Republican/Democrat". As an aside, anybody who votes like that shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: Alistar7



UHHMM thanks for reposting the link I put up hours ago... was looking for the list of the nations publicy opposed, but thanks for reading the whole thread before flaming me.....

What the hell is the matter with you? There's 6 in the article you posted but apparently didn't read. Here's some more.

I'm not the only not able to come up with the exact number, you can't seem to either, so what the hell's the matter with you?

it is known that 45 are for, I merely asked how many against, very simple question, should require a few numbers at best to answer, not questions about "What the hell is the matter with you?"

 

[tcsenter]

The inability to separate the party from it's members or actions is fairly universal. Ask people who voted for Bush/Gore why they did so, and chances are they'll say "because he's a Republican/Democrat". As an aside, anybody who votes like that shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.

haha, true.

I'm just saying, if everyone stayed home who truly doesn't give a damn about the Iraqi people and are only out there using the war as an opportunity to protest the Bush Administration, and who would have a different position on the war if it were a Democrat waging it, there would be a whole lot fewer protestors, probably a fraction of the current numbers.

 

[Gaard]

This discussion reminds me of O'Reilly a while back. He was stating the results of some poll (I don't remember what the poll was about or what the poll results were, but I remember there was 2% 'I Don't Know') and he says something like "Who the hell goes to a website to vote in a poll and votes 'I Don't Know'?"

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

The inability to separate the party from it's members or actions is fairly universal. Ask people who voted for Bush/Gore why they did so, and chances are they'll say "because he's a Republican/Democrat". As an aside, anybody who votes like that shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.

haha, true.

I'm just saying, if everyone stayed home who truly doesn't give a damn about the Iraqi people and are only out there using the war as an opportunity to protest the Bush Administration, and who would have a different position on the war if it were a Democrat waging it, there would be a whole lot fewer protestors, probably a fraction of the current numbers.

Anyone truly concerned for the plight of the Iraqi people should be gratefull they are about to be freed from one of the worst tyrants the world has seen in the last 50 years, and to top it all off, they get to live in a free society..

 

[SP33Demon]

Ok, so far it's 45 to 6 (I'll give u MALAYSIA which harbors terrorists and INDONESIA - terrorists too). The count is 45-6.... Now kiddies, do the math with me.... 45/51 = 88%... and when we find the VX, Anthrax, and Sarin, that number better be 100% or someone's going to lose their allowance for being bad.... tsk tsk

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Ok, so far it's 45 to 6 (I'll give u MALAYSIA which harbors terrorists and INDONESIA - terrorists too). The count is 45-6.... Now kiddies, do the math with me.... 45/51 = 88%... and when we find the VX, Anthrax, and Sarin, that number better be 100% or someone's going to lose their allowance for being bad.... tsk tsk

There are countries that are supporting the action to remove Saddam but for internal political reasons cannot be listed. The Arab country?s leaders recognize the necessity of removing him. The "Arab street" has had so much misinformation thrown at them about the "Great Satan" that the leaders cannot publicly show their support.

The number is higher than 45.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Originally posted by: VBboy
Because it concerns everyone?

Very true. But there was much more support for the '91 gulf war?

Andy

35 countries are still supportive of the war.

Reguardless if they are not all sending troops.

We need to deal with it, and are going to.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Ok, so far it's 45 to 6 (I'll give u MALAYSIA which harbors terrorists and INDONESIA - terrorists too). The count is 45-6.... Now kiddies, do the math with me.... 45/51 = 88%... and when we find the VX, Anthrax, and Sarin, that number better be 100% or someone's going to lose their allowance for being bad.... tsk tsk

Afghanistan+ Albania+ Azerbaijan+ Bulgaria+ Colombia+ the Czech Republic+ Denmark+ El Salvador+ Eritrea+ Estonia+ Ethiopia+ Georgia+ Hungary+ Latvia+ Lithuania+ Macedonia+ the Netherlands+ Nicaragua+ the Philippines+ Poland+ Romania+ Slovakia+ Uzbekistan != Russia, or any country that anyone remotely gives a damn about.

Kissing American ass is one thing. Pledging troops or money is quite another. Does the fact that the Eritreans have said "me too" mean anything at all?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Ok, so far it's 45 to 6 (I'll give u MALAYSIA which harbors terrorists and INDONESIA - terrorists too). The count is 45-6.... Now kiddies, do the math with me.... 45/51 = 88%... and when we find the VX, Anthrax, and Sarin, that number better be 100% or someone's going to lose their allowance for being bad.... tsk tsk

Afghanistan+ Albania+ Azerbaijan+ Bulgaria+ Colombia+ the Czech Republic+ Denmark+ El Salvador+ Eritrea+ Estonia+ Ethiopia+ Georgia+ Hungary+ Latvia+ Lithuania+ Macedonia+ the Netherlands+ Nicaragua+ the Philippines+ Poland+ Romania+ Slovakia+ Uzbekistan != Russia, or any country that anyone remotely gives a damn about.

Kissing American ass is one thing. Pledging troops or money is quite another. Does the fact that the Eritreans have said "me too" mean anything at all?

This happened so quickly that countries probably don't feel the need to contribute. They probably think it will be over quickly as well... you're forgetting, our technology is way higher than the level it was at during the Gulf War... and we won the Gulf War handily! Half of those countries don't have much to give anyway... yet many of them still are on the UN, NATO, etc... You can't discount them, their voice still means something.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Ok, so far it's 45 to 6 (I'll give u MALAYSIA which harbors terrorists and INDONESIA - terrorists too). The count is 45-6.... Now kiddies, do the math with me.... 45/51 = 88%... and when we find the VX, Anthrax, and Sarin, that number better be 100% or someone's going to lose their allowance for being bad.... tsk tsk

People are having a hard time finding an organized list. That doesn't mean countries don't oppose, and everyone's too lazy to look up each country one by one.

Link

The African Union came out opposed to any Iraq War, and it comprises 53 countries.
I would also question an assertion that a country is pro-war, if well over half of it's people don't support the government's stance.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Ok, so far it's 45 to 6 (I'll give u MALAYSIA which harbors terrorists and INDONESIA - terrorists too). The count is 45-6.... Now kiddies, do the math with me.... 45/51 = 88%... and when we find the VX, Anthrax, and Sarin, that number better be 100% or someone's going to lose their allowance for being bad.... tsk tsk

People are having a hard time finding an organized list. That doesn't mean countries don't oppose, and everyone's too lazy to look up each country one by one.

Link

The African Union came out opposed to any Iraq War, and it comprises 53 countries.
I would also question an assertion that a country is pro-war, if well over half of it's people don't support the government's stance.

Wait, isn't Ethiopia and Eritrea part of Africa? Are they part of the AU? If they are, then you better watch your comments... If in fact 53 countries are against the war, we'll take a repoll after we find the WMD's. What do ya say?


EDIT: Ethiopia and Eritrea are a part of the AU... boy that was easy to shoot down. That all u got?

 

[etech]

EDIT: Ethiopia and Eritrea are a part of the AU... boy that was easy to shoot down. That all u got?

Add Djibouti which is a member of the African Union to the list of countries assisting the coalition.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Ok, so far it's 45 to 6 (I'll give u MALAYSIA which harbors terrorists and INDONESIA - terrorists too). The count is 45-6.... Now kiddies, do the math with me.... 45/51 = 88%... and when we find the VX, Anthrax, and Sarin, that number better be 100% or someone's going to lose their allowance for being bad.... tsk tsk

People are having a hard time finding an organized list. That doesn't mean countries don't oppose, and everyone's too lazy to look up each country one by one.

Link

The African Union came out opposed to any Iraq War, and it comprises 53 countries.
I would also question an assertion that a country is pro-war, if well over half of it's people don't support the government's stance.

It is when the internationally recognized head of that government pledges their support.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Ok, so far it's 45 to 6 (I'll give u MALAYSIA which harbors terrorists and INDONESIA - terrorists too). The count is 45-6.... Now kiddies, do the math with me.... 45/51 = 88%... and when we find the VX, Anthrax, and Sarin, that number better be 100% or someone's going to lose their allowance for being bad.... tsk tsk

People are having a hard time finding an organized list. That doesn't mean countries don't oppose, and everyone's too lazy to look up each country one by one.

Link

The African Union came out opposed to any Iraq War, and it comprises 53 countries.
I would also question an assertion that a country is pro-war, if well over half of it's people don't support the government's stance.

seen that link many times, not what we are looking for, you would think if they were so unified in their opposition they would be willing to come forward and publicly state that, if the COALTITION in support is willing to do it stands to reason the opposition would want to present the same unified front for their perspective.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Alistar7



seen that link many times, not what we are looking for, you would think if they were so unified in their opposition they would be willing to come forward and publicly state that, if the COALTITION in support is willing to do it stands to reason the opposition would want to present the same unified front for their perspective.

You've been given names, numbers, and links. What else do you want, a phone call from the Kremlin?