**OFFICIAL** FFXIV:ARR Thread

[darkewaffle]

I'm pretty sure the Levequest is both obtained and turned in there.

Also I noticed last night that Costa Del Sol has an interesting selection of Leves. They seem to have only level 30 leves for every profession with some above average rewards. Last night I did one where I turned in one boarskin choker and got 12 boar hides in return; wasn't great EXP per leve ratio but I felt the hides were worth the allowance.

 

[PowerYoga]

Hm, interesting. I've been looking for something to bridge some gaps in carpenter, will look into those leves, and I've been looking into going to quarrymill to get some leves done for alchemist as well. are those 3x3s?

 

[Aikouka]

Heh, as soon as we got in the dungeon, the tank said "give me 30 secs", and the archer immediately ran out to look at the first mobs up ahead, aggro'd them, ran back to us, where we all died cause the tank was afk.

Then, on pretty much every pull, he wouldn't assist, at all. He'd end up drawiing aggro, and get himself and the healer killed, repeatedly.

Sounds like your stereotypical Huntard from WoW!

 

[darkewaffle]

Hm, interesting. I've been looking for something to bridge some gaps in carpenter, will look into those leves, and I've been looking into going to quarrymill to get some leves done for alchemist as well. are those 3x3s?

The radical one I'm pretty sure is a 3x3. I don't think you'll find any alchemist leves there however; all the towns/camps with leves seem to only offer craftleves for the region's crafts, so I think you'll only find Leather and Wood leves there. The only exception to this that I've found so far is Costa Del Sol and certain camps that seem to offer no craftleves at all (or maybe they actually do offer them for different crafts and I just cant see them).

I do not know what/which/if craftleves are available in Coerthas/Mor Dhona/etc though.

 

[pathos]

Sounds like your stereotypical Huntard from WoW!

My main was a hunter in wow....and i can't deny it. Fortunately, we had feign death though, so even if we wiped the party, we could live through it ourselves.

The archer was always the first to go, however

 

[KaOTiK]

Archers are always a problem I found. I don't think I've had a single group when an archer was in it and they didn't pull agro from the tank by attacking the wrong target. They then proceed to run around kiting the mob instead of letting the tank pull it back and them switching to the main target.

I spend more time healing them than the tank most the time.

 

[surfsatwerk]

My main was a hunter in wow....and i can't deny it. Fortunately, we had feign death though, so even if we wiped the party, we could live through it ourselves.

The archer was always the first to go, however

Feign Death WOOOT!

 

[PowerYoga]

Archers are always a problem I found. I don't think I've had a single group when an archer was in it and they didn't pull agro from the tank by attacking the wrong target. They then proceed to run around kiting the mob instead of letting the tank pull it back and them switching to the main target.

I spend more time healing them than the tank most the time.

Can't the tank just change targets to the one the archer's hitting?

Lower tier's easier tanking, but once I had 2 DPS each individually dpsing down mobs. That was a gigantic PITA... but not nearly as annoying as a thaumaturge spamming blizzard 2 on groups of 2s and more in halaatial. I'd be burning my MP every single pull spamming flash.

Ironically that was my quickest clear...

 

[robvp]

i miss the days when the crafting leve quests gave you the mats needed for it

 

[KaOTiK]

Can't the tank just change targets to the one the archer's hitting?

Lower tier's easier tanking, but once I had 2 DPS each individually dpsing down mobs. That was a gigantic PITA... but not nearly as annoying as a thaumaturge spamming blizzard 2 on groups of 2s and more in halaatial. I'd be burning my MP every single pull spamming flash.

Ironically that was my quickest clear...

They do, but it isn't so easy, Because the archers start to run like little bitches and most enmity moves for tanks are very short range and they either miss chasing the mob and end up wasting what little mana/tp they have and while doing this, they are still dealing with the other mobs and keeping enmity on them so they don't attack the rest of the group. A lot of tanks end up just saying fuck it and let the archer run around like a retard and I don't blame them one bit. The archer is low on my priority list of healing when they pull this shit. I even purposely let them die if they don't stop doing it even after being asked.

Makes me want to smash their face when they respond saying something like lol sry my dps so high

 

[darkewaffle]

I did like parts of the old crafting system, like leves were a progression to unlock recipes and felt a bit more personal like they were actual "orders" rather than generic quests.

As much as I really like XIV's crafting part of me does wish the end product had a little bit more in common with XI's crafting in terms of progression/difficulty/mystery. I think I can kind of say that about the whole game; I'm thoroughly enjoying it but I think it's lost some of the wonderfully enigmatic/"long" properties of Vanadiel in order to make Eorzea more accessible. But that's what most people want anymore, oh well, and they could have done much worse certainly.

 

[Aikouka]

They do, but it isn't so easy, Because the archers start to run like little bitches and most enmity moves for tanks are very short range and they either miss chasing the mob and end up wasting what little mana/tp they have and while doing this, they are still dealing with the other mobs and keeping enmity on them so they don't attack the rest of the group. A lot of tanks end up just saying fuck it and let the archer run around like a retard and I don't blame them one bit. The archer is low on my priority list of healing when they pull this shit. I even purposely let them die if they don't stop doing it even after being asked.

Is there a taunt mechanic in FFXIV? Back when I used to tank in WoW (mostly Paladin and Warrior), I had to hope that I had my taunt up, and I could normally pull a mob back if a DPS was being a bit overzealous. Eventually, AoE threat was high enough that I didn't really need to try much. :\

 

[pontifex]

Yep, my 12th attempt to buy the game is hanging in the balance right now too..

This retailer showed they had the physical media in stock, I ordered it and their CS confirmed it was in stock. Their 'order status' information on their site is borked so I have contacted them again (awaiting response).

BUT... it's now showing as Out of Stock on their website so of course, cogs are turning and I'm worried again.

This game is so damn elusive!

the way this is going I might as well order a physical copy...direct download doesn't seem to be happening any time soon.

 

[KaOTiK]

Is there a taunt mechanic in FFXIV? Back when I used to tank in WoW (mostly Paladin and Warrior), I had to hope that I had my taunt up, and I could normally pull a mob back if a DPS was being a bit overzealous. Eventually, AoE threat was high enough that I didn't really need to try much. :\

There are taunt like moves. They cause high enmity (hate), but archer dps is highest single target dps in the game and they can cause more enmity then the tank can with his skills unless he (the tank) decides to do his full combo of enmity moves which waste a lot of their limited mana/tp and still have to keep up enmity on the rest of the mobs to protect the rest of the group that is doing their job correctly.

 

[robvp]

as archer i normally watch my rotation, if i see the little icon turn yellow i either stop rotating skills and just auto or just stop attacking for a moment, if i pull aggro i normally run towards the tank or shoot a bind

need an aggro management skill

 

[KaOTiK]

incoming rant

Been doing a lot of The Wander's Palace runs. Pretty easy and normally quick dungeon. Just had one of the worse tanks I've dealt with yet. He's a Warrior, on trash pulls he does AOE hate move and then just concentrates on the 1 target we are killing at a time. I spent the entire dungeon tanking adds. Second boss, same shit with the adds, we wipe a few times till the DPS even start complaining. Pull before last boss, we semi wipe due to the Tonberry stalker and 3 tonberries, I get back and the bard is barely still alive kiting them, the tank is just standing there not doing shit. I heal the bard and end up tanking till he is like fucking tank dude (talking to the WAR) finally dipshit starts too, one tonberry dies, he sits there watching the other hit me for 10 seconds at least before he decides to tank that one too......

Last boss, he wants to do it his way, I'm like fine whatever, I've done the boss 12 times this way and never died on him but ok lets do it your way. We do it his way, we wipe 3 times, each time because he wouldn't move away from adds, we tell him too and hes like I don't have to do anything. Ugh, fucking horrible guy. Last wipe, he goes from full to dead in 2 attacks due to adds and boss move, he obviously dies, I was casting cure 2 when he got hit and then he got instantly again for 2.8k and fell over, couldn't even cancel casting to use benediction. So next attempt he actually moves and guess what, we kill the boss, even though he pulled the boss right next to one of the sisters and made it harder than it needed to be.

Just a horrible experience all around, if I ever get in a group with him again I am instantly leaving and warning the others in the group.

At least he didn't get any drops since nothing dropped for him all the rest of us won the greed roles.

/rant

 

[pandemonium]

Ya, don't allow crappy players to continue doing their thing. Tell them they suck and be mean to them if they simply aren't acknowledging their faults, then reform the group without them if they can't at least attempt to do better. Otherwise they'll continue being crappy!

 

[PowerYoga]

PS: double checked quarrymill. The carpenter leves aren't there, so the ash radical stuff must be elsewhere.

 

[railven]

There are taunt like moves. They cause high enmity (hate), but archer dps is highest single target dps in the game and they can cause more enmity then the tank can with his skills unless he (the tank) decides to do his full combo of enmity moves which waste a lot of their limited mana/tp and still have to keep up enmity on the rest of the mobs to protect the rest of the group that is doing their job correctly.

As a tank, and my girlfriend a healer, in these situations we let said person tank it, most often they die. We've learned a long time ago wasting resources on these kind of people aren't worth it.

With the healer generating hate like a normal DPS, her using Medica is almost a no-no on group AOEs. However, I've gotten capable of throwing Flash into my rotation so thankfully it isn't much of an issue...yet.

 

[nanobreath]

Is there a taunt mechanic in FFXIV? Back when I used to tank in WoW (mostly Paladin and Warrior), I had to hope that I had my taunt up, and I could normally pull a mob back if a DPS was being a bit overzealous. Eventually, AoE threat was high enough that I didn't really need to try much. :\

Yes there is a taunt ability called provoke at lvl 22 for the gladiator. It's mechanics are slightly different than the way taunt worked in wow. In wow the taunt put a debuff on the target for 3 seconds, while this debuff was there, the warrior could not lose aggro. On top of this, his enmity was made equal to the current targets. Aggro however is not pulled off of you now until somebody has your enmity +10%. This way he had a guaranteed 3 seconds, and 10% buffer to keep higher enmity. In FFXIV the provoke ability moves you to the top of the enmity list, and that's it. There is no buffer. So if that DPS has a dot that ticks right after you provoke, it will turn around and refocus the DPS. As a result, in order to use provoke correctly, you have to be in melee range, and have a high enmity skill ready to use immediately after provoke.

Really, DPS need to learn to stop attacking when they pull aggro, or rather when they get close to pulling aggro. In FFXIV, it is really the DPS's job to control enmity NOT the tanks. Sure you can have a bad tank where no matter what you do, you can pull aggro, but even with good tanks a DPS needs to watch and be careful.

 

[pathos]

Really, DPS need to learn to stop attacking when they pull aggro, or rather when they get close to pulling aggro. In FFXIV, it is really the DPS's job to control enmity NOT the tanks. Sure you can have a bad tank where no matter what you do, you can pull aggro, but even with good tanks a DPS needs to watch and be careful.

I have no idea how pugilists/monk rate on aggro, or damage, but It's fairly rare for me to pull aggro. And, sadly it hasn't been any kind of rocket science behind it.

Basically I just wait 3-5 seconds after the tank attacks, to let him get the mobs under control before I run up and attack. It's pretty much that simple.

Well, that and either always using assist (when the tank doesn't number the mobs), or getting on the mobs in order (when he/she does number them).

Well, i say that, but whenever there are adds in the middle of a fight, they normally make a bee line towards me. I'm guessing usually because I'm the closest pc to them, normally (since I either need to flank or be behind the mobs for my best dps, and most tanks don't bother to turn the mobs away from the party).

Then only thing I can't figure out, is when to use my ae attacks. I have 2 at the moment. One is low damage, and really only good for tagging mobs during fates, really

The other is actually pretty good, and my overall dps does get a boost when I do use it. But, it uses alot of tp. And, I draw alot of aggro using it.

Normally, I just burn down 1 at a time in a group. but, if I notice all the mobs are taking damage (meaning someone else is using ae attacks), and the tank is keeping aggro, then I'll go ahead and start mixing it in as well.

 

[darkewaffle]

50 leather and wood last night. By the way the level 50 guild quests for crafters seem to require some pretty expensive materia (but the rewards are well worth it imo), for anyone 'on their way' you may want to find out what it is and keep an eye on them to try and grab a cheap one. I got my "savage aim 3" for 20k instead of 45k just by waiting overnight but I'm still waiting on a "gatherers grasp 3". Also I'm thinking flipping high end materia from morning to night could be lucrative.

Quarrymill should have the leve unless I have the name wrong. Quarrymill is the town on the same map as Buscarron's Druthers isn't it? Though it may be a level 25 one.

 

[PowerYoga]

50 leather and wood last night. By the way the level 50 guild quests for crafters seem to require some pretty expensive materia (but the rewards are well worth it imo), for anyone 'on their way' you may want to find out what it is and keep an eye on them to try and grab a cheap one. I got my "savage aim 3" for 20k instead of 45k just by waiting overnight but I'm still waiting on a "gatherers grasp 3". Also I'm thinking flipping high end materia from morning to night could be lucrative.

Quarrymill should have the leve unless I have the name wrong. Quarrymill is the town on the same map as Buscarron's Druthers isn't it? Though it may be a level 25 one.

Maybe; my carpenter is 19~ and there's no leves for any carpenters at that level so I just kind of assumed there's no carpenter leves there. I'll check back at lvl 22 to see if anything's there.

 

[PowerYoga]

For those trying for a digital copy: it's probably easier to find a physical one.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...and-System-Improvements?p=1204429#post1204429

They're going to continue suspending sales for the time being and they're going to expand servers even more. Also.... world transfers hooo.

 

[Elcs]

For those trying for a digital copy: it's probably easier to find a physical one.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...and-System-Improvements?p=1204429#post1204429

They're going to continue suspending sales for the time being and they're going to expand servers even more. Also.... world transfers hooo.

Just not in the UK.

None in Newcastle, Sunderland, Horsham, South Shields, Jarrow, none on Argos, Amazon, GMG (who just fucked me over and didn't tell me until I rang them), none on Shopto.net or GameSeek or Gamersgate.

I've given up and will wait for them to restart digital downloads.