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KaOTiK

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I went from lvl 5 to lvl 16 in weaving yesterday. OMG, most boring gaming session ever...

Crafting is so damn slow and boring. Even once you hit level 10 and can autocraft item, its slow. and man, do you take a major hit to xp when doing autocrafting.

doing tradecraft leves helps a lot.

Auto crafting should not be used unless you are way way higher level than what you are crafting. I'm 38 on my ALC and enjoy it quite a bit. It is a hell of a lot more engaging and fun then other MMO's where I just create 200 of an item to then be able to create 200 of another.

Leves as you mentioned make the process a lot quicker overall, even more so when you find ones that you can make HQ goods for and rake in huge exp bonuses because of it.
 

nanobreath

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I went from lvl 5 to lvl 16 in weaving yesterday. OMG, most boring gaming session ever...

Crafting is so damn slow and boring. Even once you hit level 10 and can autocraft item, its slow. and man, do you take a major hit to xp when doing autocrafting.

doing tradecraft leves helps a lot.

I admit crafting is not for everybody, but I LOVE the crafting in this game. The lower levels do however suck big fat monkey balls. At higher levels it becomes a mini game essentially to get quality as high as possible and still complete the craft. When you have more abilities to use, and more CP to play with to use those abilities it is nice.

Some tips when leveling a low level craft. 1-15 is easy to do, takes about an hour. Look at your crafting log, buy enough mats from the vendor at the guild to build 1 of each item. Do what you can to get quality up a little bit as even just a few basic touches will net you +100% experience. Craft 1 of each item in order to get the bonus for crafting an item for the first time. Then do your class quests.

Do NOT ever use the autocraft. It's not for leveling. The only reason you should ever use this is if you need a ton of super low level mats when you're higher level. Even then typically you would rather do it manually to get the HQ crafts guaranteed. It is way more efficient exp and mats wise to just set up a macro to do the 40 durability items.

I usually do not use leves until after level 30 or so. Until then it is generally cheaper to just buy the mats you can use really cheap from vendors, and the few items you have to from the MB. Getting 200-300% from each craft due to quality makes the leveling go really quickly.

If you decide you like some of the crafting, I really recommend getting each craft to 15 to get their cross-class abilities. Having all those abilities makes crafting more interesting, and greatly helps you HQ.
 

pontifex

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stuff like the basic thread and cloth is ridiculous to sit there and make 1 at a time. if you're going to do it manually, then they should have it make more than 1 at a time. takes forever that way.
 

PowerYoga

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Weaver is especially bad, because you have to make the thread from raw, then cloth from thread, and each cloth usually takes 2 threads. Most other classes let you use the products from the first synth, like ingots from ores. Granted there will be stuff like sheets, rivets and links and whatnot occasionally but that's not the vast majority of the creations. I think it's one of the worst crafts to level for sure, and you'll see people bitch a LOT about wool and velveteen especially because they need rare mob drops/leve rewards to make.

Ran aurum vale for the first time tonight with 3 other people who didn't know the dungeon and man it was a tough dungeon. Tons of adds, annoying trash and a pain in the ass poison tick mechanic. We toughed it out though and finished with just 2 minutes left on the clock: felt really good to finish up like this. Although I'm a bit disappointed at the drops in the place. It seems like darkhold is a better place for loot... the aetherial loot in AV doesn't look very good (stat wise in comparison). Any thoughts?
 

KaOTiK

Lifer
Feb 5, 2001
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Weaver is especially bad, because you have to make the thread from raw, then cloth from thread, and each cloth usually takes 2 threads. Most other classes let you use the products from the first synth, like ingots from ores. Granted there will be stuff like sheets, rivets and links and whatnot occasionally but that's not the vast majority of the creations. I think it's one of the worst crafts to level for sure, and you'll see people bitch a LOT about wool and velveteen especially because they need rare mob drops/leve rewards to make.

Ran aurum vale for the first time tonight with 3 other people who didn't know the dungeon and man it was a tough dungeon. Tons of adds, annoying trash and a pain in the ass poison tick mechanic. We toughed it out though and finished with just 2 minutes left on the clock: felt really good to finish up like this. Although I'm a bit disappointed at the drops in the place. It seems like darkhold is a better place for loot... the aetherial loot in AV doesn't look very good (stat wise in comparison). Any thoughts?

IIRC that is a level 47 dungeon right? If so, honestly, who cares. You are so close to 50 and getting your job set that is vastly superior to anything before it. I liked that dungeon and ran it a lot (simply for exp since I had a near instant queue oh and the minion) and it was very easy for the most part though. Don't even worry about gear, your job quests should be giving your the pieces for it soon and once you hit 50 and do the final job quest you'll have your entire set. The 2 level 50 dungeons (The Wanderer's Palace and Amdapor Keep) will have upgrades from it, but you can't really just jump right into AK as it is semi gear check, if you don't get a group that is decently geared they wont be able to carry a fresh 50 (unless you are a healer you could get by) so you end up doing a lot of Castrum Meridianum (story mode instance) for tomes to buy Dark Light gear, oh and HM primals (Ifrit is simple, Garuda isn't bad but using DF you get lots of idiots, and Titan is a gear check, you don't do him unless you have at least 3.3k hp or you are being carried because you will die in the final phase).

I got a sidetracked there. But basically don't worry about gear that isn't level 50 as it means very little while leveling. The hardest items to find replacements for are actually earrings/rings/wrist/necklace and you are probably rocking mid 30's items for some of it still (unless you hit up the market or crafted your own). Only reason these are the hardest is there is I think 1 spot that actually drops them (in AK no less so you can't even get to it right away) and are popular first buy items for a lot of people with their tomes.
 

pathos

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IIRC that is a level 47 dungeon right? If so, honestly, who cares. You are so close to 50 and getting your job set that is vastly superior to anything before it. I liked that dungeon and ran it a lot (simply for exp since I had a near instant queue oh and the minion) and it was very easy for the most part though. Don't even worry about gear, your job quests should be giving your the pieces for it soon and once you hit 50 and do the final job quest you'll have your entire set. The 2 level 50 dungeons (The Wanderer's Palace and Amdapor Keep) will have upgrades from it, but you can't really just jump right into AK as it is semi gear check, if you don't get a group that is decently geared they wont be able to carry a fresh 50 (unless you are a healer you could get by) so you end up doing a lot of Castrum Meridianum (story mode instance) for tomes to buy Dark Light gear, oh and HM primals (Ifrit is simple, Garuda isn't bad but using DF you get lots of idiots, and Titan is a gear check, you don't do him unless you have at least 3.3k hp or you are being carried because you will die in the final phase).

I got a sidetracked there. But basically don't worry about gear that isn't level 50 as it means very little while leveling. The hardest items to find replacements for are actually earrings/rings/wrist/necklace and you are probably rocking mid 30's items for some of it still (unless you hit up the market or crafted your own). Only reason these are the hardest is there is I think 1 spot that actually drops them (in AK no less so you can't even get to it right away) and are popular first buy items for a lot of people with their tomes.

I just finished my non primal story mode, and got the story mount. And, sitting here wondering which thing I should head to next. I sort of had an idea i probably wouldn't be geared enough for the primals, but I was really hoping I could go ahead and do AK right away, since my flame promotion quest sends me to it.

Would a fresh level 50 be ok in Wanderers Keep? Or do I need to farm tomes for gear before I go there to?

As for Arum Vale, i can't say I hated the dungeon, but I really didn't like the final boss fight on most runs. Mostly because of the fruit that turned into seedlings. Impressing a new to the dungeon group on just how important killing the fruit before they turn into seedlings seems to be an impossible task. I had at least 2 groups run out of time because we'd waste alot of time trying to just kill seedlings, and eventually wipe. Then, we'd do it again with the exact same results.

Oh, and started my relic reborn quest to. As a preface, I hate anything crafting in any game, so I haven't paid the slightest bit of attention to any form of it, So, when it told me I had to turn in some weapon thats been materia imbued, or whatever it's called....well, I sort of knew what it was talking about, and i vaguely remember doing a side quest that taught you how to do it...but I'm going to have to go look up that part on the web so I can figure out how to actually do it....and then hope it's not a skill that needs leveling, cause I'll be starting at level 1. The only thing I know is that you need a 100% spirit bonded peace of gear to, erm, disenchant, or whatever
 

tedrodai

Golden Member
Jan 18, 2006
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Oh, and started my relic reborn quest to. As a preface, I hate anything crafting in any game, so I haven't paid the slightest bit of attention to any form of it, So, when it told me I had to turn in some weapon thats been materia imbued, or whatever it's called....well, I sort of knew what it was talking about, and i vaguely remember doing a side quest that taught you how to do it...but I'm going to have to go look up that part on the web so I can figure out how to actually do it....and then hope it's not a skill that needs leveling, cause I'll be starting at level 1. The only thing I know is that you need a 100% spirit bonded peace of gear to, erm, disenchant, or whatever

You can have a crafter do it for you. You can buy the weapon off the AH, buy the 2 materia off the AH (and 2 grade 5 carbonized matter), and find a crafter willing to help. Then click that person to bring up a menu that includes something along the lines of "request meld". Easy and 100% chance of success.

There is also a pretty concise guide to the steps of that quest floating around. Easy to find via Google.
 

cbrunny

Diamond Member
Oct 12, 2007
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Used PS3 versions of this game won't exist due to the activation code being a one-time use - correct?
 

KaOTiK

Lifer
Feb 5, 2001
10,877
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I just finished my non primal story mode, and got the story mount. And, sitting here wondering which thing I should head to next. I sort of had an idea i probably wouldn't be geared enough for the primals, but I was really hoping I could go ahead and do AK right away, since my flame promotion quest sends me to it.

Would a fresh level 50 be ok in Wanderers Keep? Or do I need to farm tomes for gear before I go there to?

As for Arum Vale, i can't say I hated the dungeon, but I really didn't like the final boss fight on most runs. Mostly because of the fruit that turned into seedlings. Impressing a new to the dungeon group on just how important killing the fruit before they turn into seedlings seems to be an impossible task. I had at least 2 groups run out of time because we'd waste alot of time trying to just kill seedlings, and eventually wipe. Then, we'd do it again with the exact same results.

Oh, and started my relic reborn quest to. As a preface, I hate anything crafting in any game, so I haven't paid the slightest bit of attention to any form of it, So, when it told me I had to turn in some weapon thats been materia imbued, or whatever it's called....well, I sort of knew what it was talking about, and i vaguely remember doing a side quest that taught you how to do it...but I'm going to have to go look up that part on the web so I can figure out how to actually do it....and then hope it's not a skill that needs leveling, cause I'll be starting at level 1. The only thing I know is that you need a 100% spirit bonded peace of gear to, erm, disenchant, or whatever


Yes. a fresh 50 can do Wanderer's Palace just fine. That is an easy dungeon and will drop slightly better gear than your job quest gives you. Though in reality you would be better off doing CM runs to get the 100 tomes and start saving up to buy Dark Light gear instead. You get a lot more tomes in CM than in WP and CM is a lot easier and about the same length with a half way ok group.

As for a Relic Reborn. You can buy the weapon off the AH and get the materia and carbonized dark matter and pay a level 50 crafter (which craft depends on the weapon) to meld it for you. That is what I and many others did.

Used PS3 versions of this game won't exist due to the activation code being a one-time use - correct?

Correct.
 

darkewaffle

Diamond Member
Oct 7, 2005
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Well I luckily was not one of the accounts suspended for having a bunch of gil over the weekend lol. Finally got my bs/lw/wvr sets materia'd and started crafting two star recipes, sold four or five pieces so far. I like making money off a few large items rather than a bunch of small ones at last.

I feel like some of the recipes could use a little re-work though. For reasons unknown, vanya breeches take 27 tome materials? And seemingly random pieces of the archer armor take 18 while (I think) none of the monk pieces do? Just seems strange.

Also I can't believe I missed this until now lol, but if you buy items off the Market Boards from the same city that the item is posted in, you don't pay tax. Makes a noticeable difference on large purchases.

Started coil, we can't quite down the first boss. Seems our DPS could use a little work, we're still pretty heavy on AK gear/white jewelry. Me and a few of our other members should reach +1 weapons this week which will hopefully help.
 

KaOTiK

Lifer
Feb 5, 2001
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Well I luckily was not one of the accounts suspended for having a bunch of gil over the weekend lol. Finally got my bs/lw/wvr sets materia'd and started crafting two star recipes, sold four or five pieces so far. I like making money off a few large items rather than a bunch of small ones at last.

I feel like some of the recipes could use a little re-work though. For reasons unknown, vanya breeches take 27 tome materials? And seemingly random pieces of the archer armor take 18 while (I think) none of the monk pieces do? Just seems strange.

Also I can't believe I missed this until now lol, but if you buy items off the Market Boards from the same city that the item is posted in, you don't pay tax. Makes a noticeable difference on large purchases.

Started coil, we can't quite down the first boss. Seems our DPS could use a little work, we're still pretty heavy on AK gear/white jewelry. Me and a few of our other members should reach +1 weapons this week which will hopefully help.

Your DPS must of just barely scraped by Titan HM or were carried then. The first 3 turns of coil are for the most part technically easier than titan but the group needs to be geared, you really do need full or very close to full DL.
 

PowerYoga

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Nov 6, 2001
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Well, I'll probably be running AV for a while since it was a fun dungeon and I need the exp, and I could start slowly accumulating tomes. I'm lvl 47 and need to be 49 to do the story instance... might just hit up a fate group as well. Have a few tomes, but nothing near the amount I need for darklight gears.

I have a 50 GSM so I can craft any lvl 50 accessory I need, actually have a HQ tanking bracelet waiting for me at 48. My drops have been lucky as well, so I have lvl 38 and lvl 40~ ish rings, but I could've easily crafted my own (which is not necessarily better).

I ran out of lightning shards this weekend, so weaver got stuck at 48 (didn't want to buy them @ 120 a pop -_-). But I have more than enough leves to finish that up in 1 day as well as the materials. HQ'd another goldsmith turban and militia bracelets, so hoping those sell to fund my adventures. I really wanted weaver at 50 so I can start HQing my own gear though... have about 30 crawler cacoons waiting for me.
 
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darkewaffle

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We did Titan in virtually the same gear sans relics, only difference of one or two people. But our healers are both WHMs so they were pretty well suited to handle Titans AoE at least; but Titan isn't a problem because there's only one target really so dps 'ramping up' isn't much of an issue, and with the exception of a landslide under a rock cage there's no concern about breaking a cage 'too fast'.

The problem with Caduceus is efficiently getting the slimes down low enough; they either return too much health or we spend too much time putzing around with them. With the exception of our black mage, our DPS doesn't seem to be particularly great 'on demand'. As an archer I'm stuck trying to hold a Straighter Shot or Barrage for it or just hope for crits because I don't really have any nukes at my disposal. I'm under the impression summoners, being DoT based, have a somewhat similar experience. Our dragoon does alright but I think if he's at the beginning or end of his rotation it hinders him to a degree as well.

We need to execute better to be certain but even on the good attempts we had it seemed like our headway after their split was poor; and if nothing else I know I'm still in a lot of green and white gear lol.
 

KaOTiK

Lifer
Feb 5, 2001
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We did Titan in virtually the same gear sans relics, only difference of one or two people. But our healers are both WHMs so they were pretty well suited to handle Titans AoE at least; but Titan isn't a problem because there's only one target really so dps 'ramping up' isn't much of an issue, and with the exception of a landslide under a rock cage there's no concern about breaking a cage 'too fast'.

The problem with Caduceus is efficiently getting the slimes down low enough; they either return too much health or we spend too much time putzing around with them. With the exception of our black mage, our DPS doesn't seem to be particularly great 'on demand'. As an archer I'm stuck trying to hold a Straighter Shot or Barrage for it or just hope for crits because I don't really have any nukes at my disposal. I'm under the impression summoners, being DoT based, have a somewhat similar experience. Our dragoon does alright but I think if he's at the beginning or end of his rotation it hinders him to a degree as well.

We need to execute better to be certain but even on the good attempts we had it seemed like our headway after their split was poor; and if nothing else I know I'm still in a lot of green and white gear lol.

On Caduceus we just have our bard dps the slime down while the other tank drags it to the boss. For the split, it is easiest to have the tank who was tanking the boss from the start drag his away so the other tank can gain enmity quicker standing in the spot the boss was originally being tanked at. That is normally the biggest problem most have, when he splits the new one generally goes for the healers and the tank has a hard time holding him because they are trying to move it into position.
 

tedrodai

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I'm looking forward to trying those fights. Got my ACN to about 39.5 over the weekend, and finished off Titan in the main story. When I get it to 50, I'll probably wish I'd been storing up 300 mythology tomes a week, but I prefer not to rush through the game. Some of the filler in the main story is annoying, but it also forces you branch out and see a lot of the game.

I've had pretty decent groups in all my duty-finder runs, thankfully, minus Ifrit (easy mode). Other than that group, everyone has performed their roles pretty well and if they made a mistake, recovered quickly. I guess my Sastasha group wasn't all roses, but that was because of the healer DCed for a few mins.

For Ifrit, the gladiator tank was worthless. He couldn't grab or hold hate, and he ate every crack & plume that popped up as he was chasing Ifrit around...cause the THM had to kite-tank. The archer stood still when he got hate 5 seconds into the fight (maybe thinking to give the tank a chance to pull hate back), so he went down early both times as I couldn't keep him healed. Even with that, it only took us 1 wipe before we cleared the fight.
 

robvp

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im starting to be underleveled for the storyline, i got to the lvl30 quest at 29 and the 32 at 31, im trying to do just the storyline quests and hunting log so i have all the quests available for the other classes i want to level but its getting harder now
 

KaOTiK

Lifer
Feb 5, 2001
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im starting to be underleveled for the storyline, i got to the lvl30 quest at 29 and the 32 at 31, im trying to do just the storyline quests and hunting log so i have all the quests available for the other classes i want to level but its getting harder now

It is better to just do the quests as you come across them when you enter a new area. Reason being, for another class it wont be enough to level that class high enough and you will still have to do a lot of FATES, but now youll have to travel around a lot to go get the quests instead of just doing FATES for 5-10 levels in a zone then moving to the next area. It is tedious doing FATES, but they level you quickly. I leveled my ACN from 15 to 34 this weekend doing it and got my THM from 25 to 30. I just watched videos on my second monitor while doing it.
 

PowerYoga

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Does PLD get a shield at lvl 50? Wondering if I should try to get the canopus shield at AV (and the seedling!)
 

pathos

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Yes. a fresh 50 can do Wanderer's Palace just fine. That is an easy dungeon and will drop slightly better gear than your job quest gives you. Though in reality you would be better off doing CM runs to get the 100 tomes and start saving up to buy Dark Light gear instead. You get a lot more tomes in CM than in WP and CM is a lot easier and about the same length with a half way ok group.

As for a Relic Reborn. You can buy the weapon off the AH and get the materia and carbonized dark matter and pay a level 50 crafter (which craft depends on the weapon) to meld it for you. That is what I and many others did.



Correct.

I more want to do Wanderer's, just for the sake of doing it, at least 1 time.

Since I'm not really interested in end game, I don't have a huge need to upgrade my gear. I do however, really hate the banana suit that monks get for free at 45/50, so I'm tempted to farm for the next set of gear, at the least, and I would like to finish story quest part 2(primals, I guess?), for the sake of saying I did it, so thats another reason to upgrade gear.

I'm just hoping that the next set of gear doesn't look like the banana suit, with upgraded stats. I'll cry.

On a side note, while I was finishing up the first quest line, you know, the part where every time you think the you're finished, you get another phase/boss fight to beat and then the credits roll, and if you sit through all of it, takes like, forever+1 day to get through? Made me think.....yeah, this is definately a final fantasy game.
 

darkewaffle

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I quite like Wanderer's, my friends and I regularly mix it in with CM/AK. Some of the loot is superior (or comparable) to AK and the shields/weapons you can get at the end make for good starter 50 gear that you won't find in AK. If you get lucky with drops you can make some decent money there as well off the pre-relic base items too.
 

KaOTiK

Lifer
Feb 5, 2001
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I ran Wanderer's like 20+ times when I hit 50, got the whole healer set and most of the other sets too lol. It is an ok dungeon, though I'll never go back in there if I don't have too now.
 

Dannar26

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So is this just another run-of-the-mill MMO?

Final Fantasy is no longer important enough in my mind to carry me through a game that's just so-so.
 

robvp

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im aching to hit level 50 so i think i will put all crafting asides this week and concentrate on leveling the bard, hired a second retainer and put all my crafting supplies in there, i might take a day for mining thoug, gotta keep the cash flow coming for supplies later on
 
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