*OFFICIAL*! Fiesta Bowl Thread

[LS21]

Originally posted by: Train

Hate to say it, but that USC defense would have probably given the same beating to Texas

same defense that lost to oregon state and barely beat arizona (<.500) and ucla (<.500)?

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Ohio State needs to be banned from playing in BCS games.

Well at least no one has to worry about saying the same for Wisconsin..

Don't forget to close the cellar door on your way out...


:roll:

trust me when I say that we're doing our best to get back in the running in the big 10. If Barry doesn't fire Bret or Paul Chryst we'll have a public lynching when they lose to a cup-cake next year.

Mob rule will rule that day

FYI the reason the big 10 teams are pissed off is that this caused us to get raped in the bowls. Had OSU not gotten a BCS bid they would have played Georgia (most likely a big 10 win), Michigan State gets South Carolina (easy big 10 win), Iowa gets Missouri (close game--nearly a toss up but call it a close big 10 loss), Northwesten gets FSU (close game given NWs defense to Missouri--but will call it a close loss to the big 10), Wisconsin plays Kansas (we get destroyed because of shitty coaching and piss poor pass defense--big 10 loss hands down), and then Minnosota gets to play Central Michigan (big 10 win)

So the big 10 goes most likely 3-4 (with a possibility of 5-2 is the two toss-ups go the big 10's way) but instead the big10 goes 1-6 since OSU got a BCS bowl bid.

However, 2 other teams that should have gotten the pick over OSU: Texas Tech couldn't get in because OK and UT were in, Boise State got beat in their bowl, and TCU who beat Boise State was behind Boise State in the polls. So all in all OSU was the best choice in the end but Boise State should have received it. Not because OSU's last two losses in BCS bowls or Boise State's upset of OK 2 years ago but because one team was 12-0 and another was 10-2. Furthermore OSU had a blow out lost to USC. OSU had two chances to beat BCS teams and they got killed against USC and lost at home to PS. The fact is they didn't deserve a BCS bid and because they got one, the big 10 as a whole suffered in the bowls.

So at least try to understand why big 10 teams are sick of OSU dragging us down in the bowl games--they don't just lose but because of the bowl system, OSU makes our bowls harder. But then again we should suck it up and get better.

 

[dartworth]

oh christ...you had another sucky year...don't blame OSU

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

i'm talking about my pre-bcs thoughts.

if you watched the game, penn state could have easily won the rosebowl had they not imploded for 10 minutes in the second quarter, and penn state clearly won the second half, against what i believe is far and away the best team in the country. furthermore, Iowa is probably the third best team in the big 10, won on a last second field goal, finished 9-4, and should finish ranked, maybe as high as 18 or so. In the computer models that use points, iowa is a top15 team, and the points models are much more accurate than the bcs computers and pollsters.

florida and usc both lost to 'bad' teams that turned out to not actually be bad at all, both of which beat very highly ranked teams in the big12 south.

As far as utah goes, i'm a bit surprised they beat Alabama as solidly as they did, and would really like to see them against either florida or usc. I expect them to finish in the top3 in the final polling, which i think will be close between utah, usc and the winner of the national championship game, especially if ok wins it.

Penn St could have easily won the Rose Bowl had they played Washington. USC was crushing them 31-7 @ the half.

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: Train

Hate to say it, but that USC defense would have probably given the same beating to Texas

same defense that lost to oregon state and barely beat arizona (<.500) and ucla (<.500)?

maybe arizon game was close but UCLA was a blow out.

And FYI Arizona beat BYU.

The Pac 10 was under rated this year and they proved it by going 5-0 in the bowls.

The Big 10 sucks (Penn State was good--USC was the real deal and they held their own and should be proud of their game--and Iowa finished strong). I think the SEC was good but once again overrated as Utah showed us, but the SEC is much stronger than the big 12. OSU is good (but not top 15) so the fact that they held their own with Texas and the Big 12 losses points to the Big 12 being overrated. The three big 12 wins came over NW and Minnisota (two big 10 schools) and a shitty Clemson team. So I'm calling for a Florida blow out over OK.

FYI I hate the SEC (and will root for OK) but from the bowls, one can only conclude that the big 12's defense just sucks and Florida will prove it on Thursday. Hope I'm wrong but if I were a betting man, I'd pick Florida with a 10+ win.

 

[MrPickins]

Best I can do with the tools available.

Rockin the mullet.

 

[dbk]

:thumbsup: awesome mullet

 

[mitaiwan82]

fuck yeah GO TEXAS

 

[EvilYoda]

hehe, there was a whole Fiesta Bowl thread! I WENT TO THE GAME, HAHAHAHA! My company gave me tickets - row 13 behind the Texas endzone, the left corner if you're looking into the endzone from the field. Fucking GREAT seats and an AMAZING game.

Even with Michigan being the laughing stock of the nation, I'm able to catch some good football. w00t.

 

[hdeck]

i wonder if people realize how completely absurd it is to assume how texas would do against usc based on this game, lol.

 

[Spineshank]

OSU should have won. The problem is Tressel is an idiot for starting Pryor and not Boeckman. I think OSU would have gone undefeated or 1 loss if this would have been the case all season.

I also think the reason why the Big Ten does bad in bowl games is cause of the climate. They pratice in the cold weather while basically every other BCS team has warmer weather. I could be totally wrong but just a thought.

Also the Big Ten doesnt have that many real good coaches. You have Tressel and Paterno..i dont want to comment on Rodriguez yet. But look at the Big 12 or the SEC..they have better coaches.

5 years ago the SEC was the laughing stock and the Big Ten was top dog...times have changed..big deal..stop acting like the Big Ten has been terrible for decades.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Spineshank
OSU should have won. The problem is Tressel is an idiot for starting Pryor and not Boeckman. I think OSU would have gone undefeated or 1 loss if this would have been the case all season.

I also think the reason why the Big Ten does bad in bowl games is cause of the climate. They pratice in the cold weather while basically every other BCS team has warmer weather. I could be totally wrong but just a thought.

Also the Big Ten doesnt have that many real good coaches. You have Tressel and Paterno..i dont want to comment on Rodriguez yet. But look at the Big 12 or the SEC..they have better coaches.

5 years ago the SEC was the laughing stock and the Big Ten was top dog...times have changed..big deal..stop acting like the Big Ten has been terrible for decades.

Tressel is an idiot for starting Pryor? They're in a rebuilding year and Pryor has more talent, there's no reason to start Boeckman. In any case, you'll eat your words when OSU makes it to the championship game in < 3 years with Pryor. Typical fairweather fan.

RE: climate, that definitely plays a factor as well as recruiting.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Spineshank
5 years ago the SEC was the laughing stock and the Big Ten was top dog...times have changed..big deal..stop acting like the Big Ten has been terrible for decades.

Did I miss something 5 years ago? When has the SEC ever been a laughing stock? Didn't we win the national championship 5 years ago?

 

[Spineshank]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Spineshank
OSU should have won. The problem is Tressel is an idiot for starting Pryor and not Boeckman. I think OSU would have gone undefeated or 1 loss if this would have been the case all season.

I also think the reason why the Big Ten does bad in bowl games is cause of the climate. They pratice in the cold weather while basically every other BCS team has warmer weather. I could be totally wrong but just a thought.

Also the Big Ten doesnt have that many real good coaches. You have Tressel and Paterno..i dont want to comment on Rodriguez yet. But look at the Big 12 or the SEC..they have better coaches.

5 years ago the SEC was the laughing stock and the Big Ten was top dog...times have changed..big deal..stop acting like the Big Ten has been terrible for decades.

Tressel is an idiot for starting Pryor? They're in a rebuilding year and Pryor has more talent, there's no reason to start Boeckman. In any case, you'll eat your words when OSU makes it to the championship game in < 3 years with Pryor. Typical fairweather fan.

RE: climate, that definitely plays a factor as well as recruiting.

They returned almost the entire team back from last year..and they are in a rebuilding year? Pryor is talented (ive seen him play) but he wasnt ready for this year. Even an OSU alum who i work with came in this morning and said the same damn thing to me.

 

[Spineshank]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Spineshank
5 years ago the SEC was the laughing stock and the Big Ten was top dog...times have changed..big deal..stop acting like the Big Ten has been terrible for decades.

Did I miss something 5 years ago? When has the SEC ever been a laughing stock? Didn't we win the national championship 5 years ago?

LSU did win but if you go overall conferences. Big Ten was easily 1st. I think the SEC was 3rd that year.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Spineshank

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Spineshank
5 years ago the SEC was the laughing stock and the Big Ten was top dog...times have changed..big deal..stop acting like the Big Ten has been terrible for decades.

Did I miss something 5 years ago? When has the SEC ever been a laughing stock? Didn't we win the national championship 5 years ago?

LSU did win but if you go overall conferences. Big Ten was easily 1st. I think the SEC was 3rd that year.

I have no idea how true that is as far as being 3rd or whatever but I think being considered a 'laughing stock' in 3rd place is a little ridiculous. Stop trying to spread your Big 10 disease.

 

[Spineshank]

Big Ten has been 3rd and everyone is laughing at them.......

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Spineshank

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Spineshank
OSU should have won. The problem is Tressel is an idiot for starting Pryor and not Boeckman. I think OSU would have gone undefeated or 1 loss if this would have been the case all season.

I also think the reason why the Big Ten does bad in bowl games is cause of the climate. They pratice in the cold weather while basically every other BCS team has warmer weather. I could be totally wrong but just a thought.

Also the Big Ten doesnt have that many real good coaches. You have Tressel and Paterno..i dont want to comment on Rodriguez yet. But look at the Big 12 or the SEC..they have better coaches.

5 years ago the SEC was the laughing stock and the Big Ten was top dog...times have changed..big deal..stop acting like the Big Ten has been terrible for decades.

Tressel is an idiot for starting Pryor? They're in a rebuilding year and Pryor has more talent, there's no reason to start Boeckman. In any case, you'll eat your words when OSU makes it to the championship game in < 3 years with Pryor. Typical fairweather fan.

RE: climate, that definitely plays a factor as well as recruiting.

They returned almost the entire team back from last year..and they are in a rebuilding year? Pryor is talented (ive seen him play) but he wasnt ready for this year. Even an OSU alum who i work with came in this morning and said the same damn thing to me.

Um, look at how many people have left OSU to go to the NFL in the past 2 years... 11 to be exact. This team is a mere shadow of the powerhouse team that played UF in the NCG.

Pryor wasn't ready? How do you figure, the only bad play that *may* have cost them a slightly better bowl was in the 4th quarter, 3rd and 1 leading 6-3 over Penn State when he fumbled on the QB sneak by not protecting the ball. But then a few plays later, OSU shot themselves in the foot anyway with pass interference; they still had a chance to win by stopping PSU but their D choked. Then Penn State easily scored to win the game. In that game, Pryor almost double Penn State's QB in passing yards (did throw 1 INT) but the problem came down to OSU's run D giving up 4yd/carry to Royster, so PSU won the possession time by over 4 minutes. Not all Pryor's fault.

However, who cost Ohio State the USC thumping? Boeckman, not Pryor. He was the one that: threw the INT return, threw a 2nd that set up another score, fumbled after a sack that set up another score, and was in total sacked FOUR times (um, get rid of the ball if you see the pocket collapsing, don't take the sack) to Pryor's one. In addition OSU didn't have Beanie Wells so no way in hell they were beating USC and going to any title game. No fcking way with that team, USC outclassed them in every category.

Last, who had the comeback win against Wisconsin? Oh yeah, Pryor: #14 OSU comeback win over #18 Wisconsin. It's convenient to scapegoat a whole season on a rookie who only played 9 games, but in reality it was the TEAM that choked, not Pryor. At the most you can blame the PSU game on him (1 play doesn't decide a whole game) but even then it wouldn't have gotten you to the NCGame without beating USC.

You guys should be thankful you have such a young weapon like Pryor and even made it to a BCS Bowl after you didn't even win your division. Count your blessings and be glad you get to watch a QB that now has big game experience and also ridiculous talent (4.3 speed).

 

[MrPickins]

I didn't get the chance to watch much OSU football this year, but from what I've seen, I agree with SP33Demon.

Pryor seemed to do a pretty good job in the Fiesta Bowl, Even if most of his yards were on foot. That guy is elusive. Reminds me of Vince Young at that age.

 

[Babbles]

Longhorn fan, but speaking objectively Pryor was the right choice to play. The guy is good and give him another year or so and he should be outstanding; he's fast and made a lot of good moves on his feet.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Babbles
Longhorn fan, but speaking objectively Pryor was the right choice to play. The guy is good and give him another year or so and he should be outstanding; he's fast and made a lot of good moves on his feet.

this

 

[Train]

It became a rebuilding year the second USC went up by 30 over OSU. Prior to that it was not, and Pryor was going to be the senior QB's backup. After that, Pryor was made starter to start his Jedi training.

But I would hardly call it a shadow of the 2006 team. They returned EVERY possible senior except 1 (Gholston) for this year. (I like how SP33Demon had to go back 2 years to try and make a point)

 

[MikeMike]

Pryor is FAST.. and he is soooo much faster than ppl think because of how he runs... he isnt one to panic, he seems calm under every circumstance i have seen... he is outrageously calm.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Pryor is FAST.. and he is soooo much faster than ppl think because of how he runs... he isnt one to panic, he seems calm under every circumstance i have seen... he is outrageously calm.

He's got that lanky guy stride where he doesn't look like he's pumping that fast, but his stride length means he's haulin' ass.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Pryor is FAST.. and he is soooo much faster than ppl think because of how he runs... he isnt one to panic, he seems calm under every circumstance i have seen... he is outrageously calm.

He's got that lanky guy stride where he doesn't look like he's pumping that fast, but his stride length means he's haulin' ass.

he's also ballsy when he picks his seams. Most runners would stick to the open area, Pryor seems to take short cuts that are dangerously within reach of defenders, but somehow slips by them. he did that a few times to Texas' O-line and I thought he was going to get tackled for sure, but instead he makes a 10 yeard play out of it