Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: loki8481
so far it's looking like possibly Yet Another Florida Election Clusterfuck.
Hill seems to have it locked up, but McCain/Douchebag seem to be neck and neck, with voting machine problems already reported in one county.
Obama didnt step foot in Florida. Clinton did.
Of course shes going to win handily. The Clintons might want Michigan and Florida Delegates seated, but it isnt going to happen.
for sure.
but I wonder if the coverage might somehow blunt Obama's SC win, like her NH win did for his Iowa.
edit: I edited out Edwards... because he's not even worth the fraction of a second it takes to read his name.
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: loki8481
so far it's looking like possibly Yet Another Florida Election Clusterfuck.
Hill seems to have it locked up, but McCain/Douchebag seem to be neck and neck, with voting machine problems already reported in one county.
Obama and Edwards didnt step foot in Florida. Clinton did.
Of course shes going to win handily. The Clintons might want Michigan and Florida Delegates seated, but it isnt going to happen.
Originally posted by: CellarDoor
The interesting thing about Florida on the democratic side are the exit polls. It seems Clinton won the majority of people who voted very early, in December or so. Obama won the vote of the people who voted in the last 3 weeks or so. The exit polls also showed that the Kennedy endorsement was a factor for 50% of voters. I wonder if that helps Obama next Tuesday. We'll see.
Originally posted by: CellarDoor
The exit polls also showed that the Kennedy endorsement was a factor for 50% of voters.
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: CellarDoor
The interesting thing about Florida on the democratic side are the exit polls. It seems Clinton won the majority of people who voted very early, in December or so. Obama won the vote of the people who voted in the last 3 weeks or so. The exit polls also showed that the Kennedy endorsement was a factor for 50% of voters. I wonder if that helps Obama next Tuesday. We'll see.
the Kennedy endorsement was a factor for 50% of voters
wtf?
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: CellarDoor
The exit polls also showed that the Kennedy endorsement was a factor for 50% of voters.
in a good way or a bad way? :laugh:
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: loki8481
so far it's looking like possibly Yet Another Florida Election Clusterfuck.
Hill seems to have it locked up, but McCain/Douchebag seem to be neck and neck, with voting machine problems already reported in one county.
Obama and Edwards didnt step foot in Florida. Clinton did.
Of course shes going to win handily. The Clintons might want Michigan and Florida Delegates seated, but it isnt going to happen.
According to CNN Clinton and all the other Dems did NOT campaign in Florida.
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: loki8481
so far it's looking like possibly Yet Another Florida Election Clusterfuck.
Hill seems to have it locked up, but McCain/Douchebag seem to be neck and neck, with voting machine problems already reported in one county.
Obama and Edwards didnt step foot in Florida. Clinton did.
Of course shes going to win handily. The Clintons might want Michigan and Florida Delegates seated, but it isnt going to happen.
According to CNN Clinton and all the other Dems did NOT campaign in Florida.
None of them "campaigned". Obama and Edwards didnt go period. Hillary was in Florida on a number of occassions for "private fund raising events."
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: CellarDoor
The exit polls also showed that the Kennedy endorsement was a factor for 50% of voters.
in a good way or a bad way? :laugh:
hehe.
If you look at the Florida polls you can see that if you throw out the ones that are at the edge, they pretty much accurately reflect the votes.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/florida.html
and if you use the same polls that were so accurate in Florida and look at their Super Tuesday results.
Its Hilary by another landslide.
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: loki8481
so far it's looking like possibly Yet Another Florida Election Clusterfuck.
Hill seems to have it locked up, but McCain/Douchebag seem to be neck and neck, with voting machine problems already reported in one county.
Obama and Edwards didnt step foot in Florida. Clinton did.
Of course shes going to win handily. The Clintons might want Michigan and Florida Delegates seated, but it isnt going to happen.
According to CNN Clinton and all the other Dems did NOT campaign in Florida.
None of them "campaigned". Obama and Edwards didnt go period. Hillary was in Florida on a number of occassions for "private fund raising events."
Actually, once again according to CNN all the candidates went to Floriday for private fund raising events.
And lets face it. Hilary creamed Obama in the 5th largest state in America.
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: CellarDoor
The exit polls also showed that the Kennedy endorsement was a factor for 50% of voters.
in a good way or a bad way? :laugh:
hehe.
If you look at the Florida polls you can see that if you throw out the ones that are at the edge, they pretty much accurately reflect the votes.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/florida.html
and if you use the same polls that were so accurate in Florida and look at their Super Tuesday results.
Its Hilary by another landslide.
You are still a complete dumbass. When it comes to anything about this campagin. You have repeatedly shown to be a Clinton shill.
1. Obama didnt step foot in Florida and didnt campagin in Florida.
2. Hilary didn't "campaign" in Florida but did make several televised appearances.
3. Obama had no mobilization efforts in Florida. Hes responsible for record turnouts. If Florida wasnt banned by the DNC, the results would be much much closer.
4. Half of the 22 Super Tuesday states do NOT have recent polls.
If anything the exit polling shows Obama is in pretty good shape. In Florida Hillary lost support to both Edwards and Obama over the past week.
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: CellarDoor
The exit polls also showed that the Kennedy endorsement was a factor for 50% of voters.
in a good way or a bad way? :laugh:
hehe.
If you look at the Florida polls you can see that if you throw out the ones that are at the edge, they pretty much accurately reflect the votes.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/florida.html
and if you use the same polls that were so accurate in Florida and look at their Super Tuesday results.
Its Hilary by another landslide.
You are still a complete dumbass. When it comes to anything about this campagin. You have repeatedly shown to be a Clinton shill.
1. Obama didnt step foot in Florida and didnt campagin in Florida.
2. Hilary didn't "campaign" in Florida but did make several televised appearances.
3. Obama had no mobilization efforts in Florida. Hes responsible for record turnouts. If Florida wasnt banned by the DNC, the results would be much much closer.
4. Half of the 22 Super Tuesday states do NOT have recent polls.
If anything the exit polling shows Obama is in pretty good shape. In Florida Hillary lost support to both Edwards and Obama over the past week.
Well, you MUST prove it. Show the proof. For your points. Below is my proof.
The most Super Tuesday states do have polls. The ones with polls done in the last week are:
New York
California
New Jersey
Massachusettes
Illinois
Tennessee
Arizona
Oklahoma
Colorado
Georgia
Connecticutte (done two weeks ago)
Here's the linkage showing I am right:
http://www.usaelectionpolls.co...per-tuesday-polls.html
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: CellarDoor
The exit polls also showed that the Kennedy endorsement was a factor for 50% of voters.
in a good way or a bad way? :laugh:
hehe.
If you look at the Florida polls you can see that if you throw out the ones that are at the edge, they pretty much accurately reflect the votes.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/florida.html
and if you use the same polls that were so accurate in Florida and look at their Super Tuesday results.
Its Hilary by another landslide.
You are still a complete dumbass. When it comes to anything about this campagin. You have repeatedly shown to be a Clinton shill.
1. Obama didnt step foot in Florida and didnt campagin in Florida.
2. Hilary didn't "campaign" in Florida but did make several televised appearances.
3. Obama had no mobilization efforts in Florida. Hes responsible for record turnouts. If Florida wasnt banned by the DNC, the results would be much much closer.
4. Half of the 22 Super Tuesday states do NOT have recent polls.
If anything the exit polling shows Obama is in pretty good shape. In Florida Hillary lost support to both Edwards and Obama over the past week.
Well, you MUST prove it. Show the proof. For your points. Below is my proof.
The most Super Tuesday states do have polls. The ones with polls done in the last week are:
New York
California
New Jersey
Massachusettes
Illinois
Tennessee
Arizona
Oklahoma
Colorado
Georgia
Connecticutte (done two weeks ago)
Here's the linkage showing I am right:
http://www.usaelectionpolls.co...per-tuesday-polls.html
The Connecticcute poll that came out today had Obama and Hillary tied at 40/40.
Try again.
Again, over half the states do not have recent polls. Polls are VERY fluid. They need to be three days old or less to be relevent.
SHENS SHENS SHENS
Show me a link. Here's a link to a poll ending on Jan 17 and it show Hilary at 41 percent and Obama at 27 percent.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/connecticut.html
And a poll done in the last week is current. Not the last 3 days.
Originally posted by: Wreckem
SHENS SHENS SHENS
Show me a link. Here's a link to a poll ending on Jan 17 and it show Hilary at 41 percent and Obama at 27 percent.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/connecticut.html
And a poll done in the last week is current. Not the last 3 days.
Obama and Clinton tied at 40/40
And yes polls over a week old are NOT recent. They do not account into anything that has happened in the last 4 days.
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Wreckem
SHENS SHENS SHENS
Show me a link. Here's a link to a poll ending on Jan 17 and it show Hilary at 41 percent and Obama at 27 percent.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/connecticut.html
And a poll done in the last week is current. Not the last 3 days.
Obama and Clinton tied at 40/40
And yes polls over a week old are NOT recent. They do not account into anything that has happened in the last 4 days.
Ok, you need to quote a real poll. The one you linked to has no margin of error. Which is why it is not listed and quoted by the reputable news reporting sites.
January 28, 2008
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SNIP*
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Sincerely,
Ron