I'm glad to hear someone else call it that. I've been describing it that way to those around me, out-right saying that the Focus hatchbacks are more of a wagon, especially when compared to the "hot hatch" competition (FiST, Abarth, Golf, etc).
My dad drives an XC70 which is a real wagon, so I'm going to say no. My Focus is way too small to be considered a wagon in any practical sense, although I admit that USAA calls it a 4 door wagon for insurance purposes.
Although I am curious why you would consider the Golf a hatch but not the Focus. I haven't been in a MK7 but the MK6 I drove felt a good bit larger in the backseat and hatch than did my Focus, so if the Focus is a wagon, the Golf definitely is
Just look at the wheelbase and the overall size. It's a different class. If the Fiesta ST is a large hatch, it just seems like Focus ST/RS can't still be considered to be in the same category.
XC70 is a crossover. No need to label it "wagon."
I bet insurance does, i know they do with the Venza my wife drives.
Going with the EU bassis for Hatch versus wagon. A wagon has a squared rear end where there is a true pillar at the rear. A hatch is generally shorter at the rear and the the roof-line goes into the window.Just look at the wheelbase and the overall size. It's a different class. If the Fiesta ST is a large hatch, it just seems like Focus ST/RS can't still be considered to be in the same category.
XC70 is a crossover. No need to label it "wagon."
Just look at the wheelbase and the overall size. It's a different class. If the Fiesta ST is a large hatch, it just seems like Focus ST/RS can't still be considered to be in the same category.
XC70 is a crossover. No need to label it "wagon."
Just look at the wheelbase and the overall size. It's a different class. If the Fiesta ST is a large hatch, it just seems like Focus ST/RS can't still be considered to be in the same category.
XC70 is a crossover. No need to label it "wagon."
Only because "crossover" is too new a classification for most to recognize yet.
"Crossover" is only what baby boomers tell themselves so they can keep believing they didn't become their parents.
The only issue I see is that the motor is being put in a Focus. Not sure how the build quality will be, but the Focus is generally not the best quality or durability imho. For that much I'd opt for a Fusion Sport which is a much better platform, again imho.
"Crossover" is only what baby boomers tell themselves so they can keep believing they didn't become their parents.
Crossovers are a thing, but the V70/XC70 is definitely a wagon. If they don't qualify as a wagon, then nothing is a wagon
Anybody from AT garage getting a focus RS? I'm thinking about it but dealers aren't budging from MSRP.
Anybody from AT garage getting a focus RS? I'm thinking about it but dealers aren't budging from MSRP.
Anybody from AT garage getting a focus RS? I'm thinking about it but dealers aren't budging from MSRP.
Just look at the wheelbase and the overall size. It's a different class. If the Fiesta ST is a large hatch, it just seems like Focus ST/RS can't still be considered to be in the same category.
XC70 is a crossover. No need to label it "wagon."
Who is calling the FiST a "large hatch"? It's a pretty damn small car. Hell the FoST is a small car IMO (I own one), regardless of EPA classification, but it is cavernous compared to the FiST.
Anybody from AT garage getting a focus RS? I'm thinking about it but dealers aren't budging from MSRP.
I don't know about that. Again yeah the Focus starts life at a lower level and therefore they skimp in area's where Fusion is generally better at. But going from a 2013 Fusion Ti to a 2015 Focus ST (ST3). I don't see or feel a major difference. The Focus isn't noisier (cept when the engine noise is being piped in). The steers better. It's steering feel is better. It's ride is worse but that comes from a stiffer suspension than either the Focus Ti or Fusion Ti. The seat is better (well I personally prefer the Recaro's).
The downsides are only a single display in the dash, smaller MFT, less digital settings (accent lighting is a push button dial and not super configurable, and other settings like that). The passenger side doesn't get any electronics outside heated seats (manual adjustment and no lumbar). Those are things that they can include but would probably A.) Increase the price, and B.) create to much of blur option wise between models.
Actually over all I would say the Focus while again being targeted as cheaper car to start with. Is a better platform for performance then the Fusion. The rear is too light and even a only little hot on ramp speed in damp weather the Fusion was all to happy to loosen up. The Focus only loosens the rear end when you want it to (let up in gas mid turn) if you keep level and the car already has enough grip at the start it feels planted the whole time in every condition I have thrown at it. Again coming from the ST, and not a Ti, but it's short and stocky seems to be better made for fun. But ride and build quality don't seem to be that different between the two. If anything and having not driven a 2012 or older Fusion, if anything the platform on the Fusion might have gotten weaker or the Focus has gotten tons better.
But anyways the Fusion is getting a performance (Sport) model. But it will have the 2.7 TTV6 that the MKZ has.
Who is calling the FiST a "large hatch"? It's a pretty damn small car. Hell the FoST is a small car IMO (I own one), regardless of EPA classification, but it is cavernous compared to the FiST.
The s550/current gen. Mustang has IRS, and is leaps and bounds better than previous generations. It's not a track monster (exception: GT350/R), as it is a very heavy car. However, it is a very comfortable daily driver w/ plenty of power, and is an excellent value (435 hp for $32k). I can't wait to track mine in the spring!I've had several friends own Mustangs in the past, from everything I have read they are over weight poor handling straight line cars still, so have never even looked into buying one.