Official Fury X specs

[maddie]

double post

 

[maddie]

I have a solution to prevent this ridiculous drawn out ranting.

If anyone needs 4K over HDMI 2.0 and Fiji turns out to not have it, then please buy 780Ti or TitanX.

That way there will be more Fiji cards available for the rest of us that don't want to wait for restocking to obtain cards.

 

[Mako88]

I have a solution to prevent this ridiculous drawn out ranting.

If anyone needs 4K over HDMI 2.0 and Fiji turns out to not have it, then please buy 980Ti or TitanX.

That way there will be more Fiji cards available for the rest of us that don't want to wait for restocking to obtain cards.

Grooverider and I agree with you!

But we don't know for sure yet. Hopefully soon.

 

[AnandThenMan]

I have a solution to prevent this ridiculous drawn out ranting.

If anyone needs 4K over HDMI 2.0 and Fiji turns out to not have it, then please buy 780Ti or TitanX.

That way there will be more Fiji cards available for the rest of us that don't want to wait for restocking to obtain cards.

100% agreed. Plus the people bitterly complaining don't look like they are going to buy a Fury X card anyway.

 

[n0x1ous]

bitterly complaining don't look like they are going to buy a Fury X card anyway.

Right....they wanted to but can't because it won't support their setup. I would buy a Fury X on launch day if it supported DVI or if i could get an adapter that supported 1440p @ 120hz

 

[96Firebird]

100% agreed. Plus the people bitterly complaining don't look like they are going to buy a Fury X card anyway.

Looks like Mako88 and tential were both interested in getting a Fury X, until they found out it had no HDMI 2.0.

Still a chance it does have HDMI 2.0, but that chance is getting slim...

 

[Mako88]

100% agreed. Plus the people bitterly complaining don't look like they are going to buy a Fury X card anyway.

If it has HDMI 2.0 it's an absolute no-brainer, I can't see anyone not wanting a Fury X in that situation. Monster value IMO.

 

[RampantAndroid]

1. 90-95% of current 4k televisions do not offer display ports. HDMI 2.0 only.

2. There are no "converters" available now, nor will they be in the future due to cost and lag.



It's insane, I never would have guessed this in a thousand years. I would have bet my house that no one could be foolish enough to just let Nvidia have this entire market segment.

I really hope they do find, and fire, the individuals responsible for this oversight.

http://visionaudiovisual.com/techconnect/cables/dp/

??

 

[Mako88]

Still a chance it does have HDMI 2.0, but that chance is getting slim...

Don't say it, there's still hope heheh.

 

[96Firebird]

http://visionaudiovisual.com/techconnect/cables/dp/

??

It says right on the product page:

Maximum Resolution: 4k @ 30 Hz (note: at time of writing no chipset supports 60Hz)

Don't say it, there's still hope heheh.

Stay positive! The fact that AMDMatt (in my opinion) had OCUK delete the post (and any quoting it or talking about it) in a "cleaning", means he may have spoken before he knew the facts.

 

[RampantAndroid]

It says right on the product page:

Yes, it does. That's an asterisk since none were available. It's spec 2.0, so it'll be able to do 60hz.

 

[Mako88]

Stay positive! The fact that AMDMatt (in my opinion) had OCUK delete the post (and any quoting it or talking about it) in a "cleaning", means he may have spoken before he knew the facts.

Thanks for posting that update btw Fire, forgot to mention it earlier.

 

[Grooveriding]

http://visionaudiovisual.com/techconnect/cables/dp/

??

He wasn't aware there are functional adapters for the purpose of DP to HDMI 2.0 when posting that.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37493913&postcount=238

He knows there are adapters now but doesn't want to use one. Since he wants two AMD cards more than nvidia cards said he's going to wait to see if they support HDMI 2.0 for the people who want to use the card at 4K with an HDTV instead of 4K monitor.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Who here has a 4K 60hz TV and if so what model do you have?

 

[96Firebird]

Yes, it does. That's an asterisk since none were available. It's spec 2.0, so it'll be able to do 60hz.

I sent them an e-mail asking if it'd work, we'll see what they say. I wouldn't hold out hope though, this would be the first adapter to actually work. Not even the folks on the home theater forums know of such a cable.

 

[bryanW1995]

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-fiji-arrives-radeon-r9-fury-x-details_166515

"Does the AMD Radeon R9 Fury X have HDMI 2.0 support? The rumors going around the internet are true and the Fiji GPU does not support HDMI 2.0 and it is running HDMI 1.4a. This is rather unfortunate as it is disappointing for us too as it limits 4K Ultra HD output to 30Hz. We expressed our concerns to AMD and thought that the AMD Radeon R9 Nano in particular would make a great living room gaming PC and having HDMI 2.0 would have been really nice for a 6-inch long card."

In addition, an AMD marketing rep confirmed on the OCUK forums that HDMI 2.0 is not supported. He later deleted all his posts, and the mods killed the thread, but it was there earlier this morning.

So, I just did some more reading up on 4k with hdmi 2.0. Is it true that 17ms is the lowest input lag out there? That seems like it would just fine for the games I play, but any shooter would have to be incredibly annoying.

 

[Mako88]

He wasn't aware there are functional adapters for the purpose of DP to HDMI 2.0 when posting that.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37493913&postcount=238

He knows there are adapters now but doesn't want to use one. Since he wants two AMD cards more than nvidia cards said he's going to wait to see if they support HDMI 2.0 for the people who want to use the card at 4K with an HDTV instead of 4K monitor.

I'm aware at the laughably bad and misguided adapters people have posted in the thread, but they're not for me. Most people have no idea how hard it is just to get a PC signal to throw a 4:4:4 image at 60Hz with proper HDMI 2.0 as a base, let alone introducing adapters and third party components into the fray.

The point is this:

No one will tolerate the added lag, cost, and complexity, of any adapter when a native solution already is offered by the marketshare leading competitor.

DP to HDMI 2.0 Adapters are a snipe hunt (Google it) and not worth the time/trouble to me.

For others, hey, knock yourselves out. Wait that six months for it to arrive to market, pay the $100 price to get it, introduce between 10-30ms of lag into your gaming, and have at it.

 

[Mako88]

So, I just did some more reading up on 4k with hdmi 2.0. Is it true that 17ms is the lowest input lag out there? That seems like it would just fine for the games I play, but any shooter would have to be incredibly annoying.

The port type isn't where the lag principally comes from, it's the display.

Most of the 4k televisions are horrid with lag, even in "game mode", with 50ms+ being the norm currently.

The Samsung I use has 22-24ms of lag in game mode at 4k, which isn't great, but not too bad for me personally. It hasn't affected my First person KDR rates in other words...though that may be because I'm not good enough to have it matter lol.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Model or your TV if you don't mind, I'm looking into 4K 60hz+ televisions myself have no clue what to buy.

 

[Grooveriding]

No one will tolerate the added lag, cost, and complexity, of any adapter when a native solution already is offered by the marketshare leading competitor.

Well you mentioned the lag before, but right now you haven't shown there is any lag. Then again though, first you said there weren't even any adapters, but a few posts later you now realize there are adapters but have already somehow figured out they cause lag

For others, hey, knock yourselves out.

I edited out the conjecture but this part reads like you've now changed your mind and decided to go with a gm200 card ? I think this is the best choice for you and will resolve all of this. You should hit the subforum for those cards if you can't decide on one or check newegg, I took a look and almost every SKU is in stock.

 

[bryanW1995]

Thank God people are saying this. The card is labeled fury.... And that's what I feel for waiting for a company too incompetent to add such a feature. If the performance had been meh, I wouldn't have been mad. I would have bought a price competitive card.

But no where in my mind did I think they'd ignore hdmi 2.0. Wasn't on my radar I didn't think anyone could be that stupid.

I'm just dumbstruck I really don't know what to do. Right now I went from 650-1300 of amd to like 330 gtx 970 nvidia? Maybe I'll get the g1 since I've recommended it to anyone hard set on nvidia.

AMD marketing might have just been surpassed by AMD engineering...though this could just be a function of not having enough staff. There was nobody to say "Man, I sure would like to use a new fury on my 4k tv after it launches".

 

[Mako88]

Model or your TV if you don't mind, I'm looking into 4K 60hz+ televisions myself have no clue what to buy.

Samsung 48JU7500, highly recommended. Great long threads on it at both AVS and HardOCP now, particularly towards a gaming/desktop focus. Currently the best 4k-television-as-pc-display on the market, and by a wide margin.

HOWEVER...

The new Sony 4k line for 2015 hasn't fully shipped yet and it also supposedly can do 4:4:4 @ 60Hz as the new Samsungs do, so there is incoming competition finally. I would expect all of the major brands to offer 4:4:4 sets by the end of the year, our war on that issue has finally been won.

Neither line offers Display Ports on any model, which is where the focus on it is coming from.

AMD marketing might have just been surpassed by AMD engineering...though this could just be a function of not having enough staff. There was nobody to say "Man, I sure would like to use a new fury on my 4k tv after it launches".

I agree with you. I know people will want to say AMD "got cheap" with this decision if it's true, but I would bet your thought about it just being a redacted that no one caught is more than likely.






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[96Firebird]

Well you mentioned the lag before, but right now you haven't shown there is any lag. Then again though, first you said there weren't even any adapters, but a few posts later you now realize there are adapters but have already somehow figured out they cause lag

Where are the adapters?

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/35-ca...-2-hdmi-2-0-adapter-there-manufacturer-2.html

Look at the response from some large cable makers:

We currently do not offer such an adapter. It is currently in the development pipeline and may become available by the end of the year. Please let us know if you have any other questions.

We don't have firm timelines on the the release of DP to HDMI 2.0 adapters at this point. I expect they'll hit the market before the year is out, but again, tough to say regarding specifics.

Apparently the Bizlink cable that was at CES 2015 will be released by Q4 2015.

Like I said before, people are giving a Chinese cable from AliExpress a shot, but I don't believe it has arrived yet.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Samsung 48JU7500

Thanks for the info. I wish TV makers would just use display port it is simply better, the latest revision has higher bandwidth versus HDMI for example. But that doesn't excuse AMD leaving out an HDMI 2.0 port.

 

[bryanW1995]

It's not, read the thread. We have electrical engineers who have chimed in and explained that any "converter" will introduce additional lag and cost $100+ to achieve. So essentially that's a no go, permanently, especially if a competitor already has a product that fills the need. And it's months away, and it may not work properly with the extremely bandwidth intensive 4:4:4 @ 60H, and and and and. Many reasons.



90% of 4k televisions currently on the market do not offer DP, and that number is rising year over year. I'm not sure why, though it likely has to do with cost. The TV mfgs try to cut costs everywhere, the margin is so thin that they have to choose the most common connection usually. And none of the 4k televisions that DO offer a display port right now can do true 4:4:4 @ 60Hz @ 4k as the brand new 2015 Samsung 4k line can...and that's the point.

How do you know these guys are electrical engineers? Did I just miss those posts?

It does seem counterintuitive to think that one signal could not be converted into another though...

Hold on a second here. You just said a few posts ago :

You were shown that you were wrong and there are adapters now and more coming, so now it actually does work and you've just changed your mind - but - it introduces 'lag' ? And an electrical engineer posted here and showed how it produces lag ? I missed that post, where is the post explaining how and why it will produce lag ? Now that we've moved past 'There is no fix for this.'




Any source for this ? Or did this claim originate from wherever 'There is no fix for this.' did ?



Well I agree with some of that. For myself if Fury X is a faster card than the 980ti with overclocking then it is clearly the superior card for my uses. I water cool everything myself so I'd just be ripping the coolers off anyways.

Still why be so angry and continue to post that you're upset about HDMI 2.0 again and again ? Yes you'll lose out on having a Fury and yes the EVGA hybrid cooler will not be all that quiet because it still has a blower fan on the card, but - you can get something now. If you wait until next week and find out it doesn't have HDMI 2.0 you'll be in the same boat you are now but still waiting and probably having missed out on that card you are considering being in stock.

Seems like you are just wasting a lot of energy on this. Fury X, if faster, won't be that much faster and the real loss you'll get from not getting one would be noise from using a hybrid that still has a blower on the card. Not -that- big a deal.

Perhaps one of his "buddies from the office" posted that, and he knows that the guy is an electrical engineer. Perhaps not. Who knows. Either way, no hdmi 2.0 is, at BEST, a really foolish way for AMD to leave the door cracked for NV to troll them.

Why would you take off the stock WC setup? Do you think that your custom setup will enable higher overclocking b/c of superior cooling ability?

100% agreed. Plus the people bitterly complaining don't look like they are going to buy a Fury X card anyway.

If the dude with an unlimited gaming rig budget doesn't use 4k then it's probably not ready for prime time yet...but, I do find it curious that AMD would cater so effectively to clueless buyers of one category (8gb >>> 4gb YEAH!) but ignore another, likely wealthier, category (I MUST HAVE 4K FOR, UM, WELL, SOMETHING!).

Perhaps this was a marketing failure, after all. We'll see if this ends up being a tempest in a teapot or a serious issue, but...wow.

Obviously I don't know how much it would have cost AMD to put hdmi 2.0 on fury (whether in design phase or retro-fitting if possible), but it couldn't have been that expensive, right?