Official Fury X specs

[guskline]

I wonder how worthwhile it is to spend extra for a full water block: http://www.ekwb.com/news/606/19/Exi...ks-compatible-with-Radeon-Rx-300-series-GPUs/

When the specs 50C and 32dBa are already quite good.

Two things.

First on the Fury XT, I highly doubt that they will make a custom water block since Corsair already made a custom system, including what appears to be vrm cooling that cools both the gpu and the vrm. I note that EK mentioned the Fury XT, but I wonder if they really were talking about the PCB made for the non AIO Furys?

Second, for custom water coolers like myself, we will need a Fury w/o the Cooler to allow a custom block to be integrated into our present water cooling system. 50C is not bad considering a single aluminum 120mm radiator but both of my custom water cooled R9 290 Sapphires ( two in CF) run in the low 40s even at 1100 core/1400 memory and additional voltage maxed via MSI afterburner. This is in a single loop with a OC'd 5960x at 4.4Ghz also in the loop. At stock my max temps are @39C on both gpus. OC ups them @ 2 to 3 degrees.
I simply has MUCH more radiator capacity and cooling capacity than a single 120 mm aluminum radiator.

I measure my loop temp and compare it to the ambient temp. I don't know, yet, how AMD is claiming a supposed max temp of 50C. How did they measure it.

This is NOT a knock at the AIO cooler. It sounds like AMD and the OEM AIO makers learned a lot from the R9 295 and that only water cooled the gpu, not the vrm.

I suspect the Fury without the water cooling will be what custom water coolers will flock to.

 

[futurefields]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-radeon-r9-390x-review

It's nice to see AMD keeping up in raw performance, but it's clear Nvidia has the more elegant and efficient architechture. If Nvidia designed a Maxwell card that used this much wattage it would absolutely destroy the 390X.

 

[syngyne]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-radeon-r9-390x-review

It's nice to see AMD keeping up in raw performance, but it's clear Nvidia has the more elegant and efficient architechture. If Nvidia designed a Maxwell card that used this much wattage it would absolutely destroy the 390X.

The power consumption seems to be particular to the MSI card.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1019-radeon-r9-390x-390-380/page7.html

 

[flopper]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-radeon-r9-390x-review

It's nice to see AMD keeping up in raw performance, but it's clear Nvidia has the more elegant and efficient architechture. If Nvidia designed a Maxwell card that used this much wattage it would absolutely destroy the 390X.

wow strange they never did and that the 390x owns the 980 now.

 

[Udgnim]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-radeon-r9-390x-review

It's nice to see AMD keeping up in raw performance, but it's clear Nvidia has the more elegant and efficient architechture. If Nvidia designed a Maxwell card that used this much wattage it would absolutely destroy the 390X.

check this 980Ti out

http://www.galaxstore.net/GALAX-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-980-Ti-HOF-6GB-LN2-p/98irh5dhf9lt.htm

has 3 8pin PCIe connectors

 

[exar333]

From the pictures of the Fury X cooler, its got a copper pipe extension from the GPU waterblock/pump, that runs over the VRMs (basically water cooling for both GPU/VRM). Its looks to be an excellent design that uses the limited space fully.

That should be pretty good.

A someone else posted, it is definitely builds on the positives of the 295x2 and improves the overall design.

The Fury X is enticing me to do a micro-ITX build with a really portable case and one of these in there. Would be a great relatively portable build.... Use the Fury X cooler and another CLC for the CPU. Could be awesome.

 

[Grooveriding]

I wonder how worthwhile it is to spend extra for a full water block: http://www.ekwb.com/news/606/19/Exi...ks-compatible-with-Radeon-Rx-300-series-GPUs/

When the specs 50C and 32dBa are already quite good.

A lot more radiator with a custom loop, giving you even lower temperatures and quieter as well.

I think this AIO is pretty huge in that it will encourage more complete water cooled solutions to come out. Right now the hybrids are pretty crappy. They improve GPU temperatures but don't do much for noise because the cards still have a small noisy fan to cool the power circuitry. A 120mm fan is a lot quieter. I doubt you'd be able to run the fan silent on the Fury X cooler under load and keep temps in check, but it should be as quiet or quieter than any of the custom air coolers, and obviously a lot quieter than any blower card.

 

[Creig]

Second, for custom water coolers like myself, we will need a Fury w/o the Cooler to allow a custom block to be integrated into our present water cooling system. 50C is not bad considering a single aluminum 120mm radiator but both of my custom water cooled R9 290 Sapphires ( two in CF) run in the low 40s even at 1100 core/1400 memory and additional voltage maxed via MSI afterburner. This is in a single loop with a OC'd 5960x at 4.4Ghz also in the loop. At stock my max temps are @39C on both gpus. OC ups them @ 2 to 3 degrees.
I simply has MUCH more radiator capacity and cooling capacity than a single 120 mm aluminum radiator.

That's good that you can keep your cards in the 40s, but at what temp do you start having to reduce your clocks? I would think you would have the exact same clocks even if the card was 50C. I suspect you won't gain anything by replacing the stock AIO cooler with an aftermarket one other than a cleaner looking system by having just the one loop.

 

[Janooo]

That's the wrong comparison. The original Titan was released in 02/2013, and the GTX 780 was released in 05/2013. That's the same three-month delay as we saw between the Titan X and GTX 980 Ti. The GTX 780 was a cut-down version of the Titan chip (GK110), just as the GTX 980 Ti is a cut-down version of the Titan X chip (GM200).

It wouldn't surprise me if we saw a fully-enabled "GTX 980 Ti Black Edition" or something in another 5-6 months.

780 was not reaching the Titan performance.
780 Ti - released in Nov 2013 made buying Titan pointless after 9 months.
980 Ti made buying Titan X pointless after a couple of months.

 

[IEC]

That's good that you can keep your cards in the 40s, but at what temp do you start having to reduce your clocks? I would think you would have the exact same clocks even if the card was 50C. I suspect you won't gain anything by replacing the stock AIO cooler with an aftermarket one other than a cleaner looking system by having just the one loop.

Uses less wattage to achieve the same performance level. Though the gains of 40C vs 50C are less than 60C --> 50C.

 

[sam_816]

Titan came out in Feb 2013. 780 Ti came out in Nov 2013. It's like 9 months.
Why 980 Ti comes out only after a couple of months after Titan X? 980Ti is killing the sales of Titan X.
What do you think, what is different? Why NV did not wait 8-9 months as in the 780Ti scenario?

Imo they didn't wait this time because everywhere people knew that ti version was coming sooner or later so everyone was ready to wait a little more. All the forums suggested potential buyers to wait as well. Rumors about AMD 's new hbm cards expedite the release surely.

 

[MagickMan]

I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to agree with ajc9988 on this point. The $1,000 Titan X had been on sale for only 2 1/2 months when Nvidia released the $650 980 Ti, effectively cutting Titan X sales off at the knees. Nobody, especially Nvidia, would do that unless they felt threatened by another product.

I don't think that's enough time to tape-out and release a product, I really don't. Not in the complex world of international sales. They planned for the 980Ti, it's their consumer flagship, no Titan will ever fill that spot because Titans are limited, proof of design, halo products, nothing more. It just happens that the flagship is much closer to the halo this time, likely because it was necessary for full DX12 compliance and performance.

 

[DiogoDX]

No leaks. Not even a 3dmark screen. There must be very few reviews samples out there.

 

[MagickMan]

No leaks. Not even a 3dmark screen. There must be very few reviews samples out there.

Either that, or more likely, they're much more careful regarding who gets them and have completely blocked the people who could have led to leaks in the past (I'm sure there are ways to figure all that out).

 

[Creig]

I don't think that's enough time to tape-out and release a product, I really don't. Not in the complex world of international sales. They planned for the 980Ti, it's their consumer flagship, no Titan will ever fill that spot because Titans are limited, proof of design, halo products, nothing more. It just happens that the flagship is much closer to the halo this time, likely because it was necessary for full DX12 compliance and performance.

I'm certain that Nvidia had the 980 Ti ready and waiting in the wings until they needed to release it.

They came out with the Titan X first, getting money from all the big-spenders who need to own halo products. Then they released the 980 Ti just ahead of the Fury X to capitalize on the people who wouldn't spend $1,000 on a video card, but would spend $650. So Nvidia ended up with a month of uncontested $650 video card sales to people who will now have the choice of either a 980 Ti or a Fury X. It's a very solid business plan if you ask me.

 

[guskline]

That's good that you can keep your cards in the 40s, but at what temp do you start having to reduce your clocks? I would think you would have the exact same clocks even if the card was 50C. I suspect you won't gain anything by replacing the stock AIO cooler with an aftermarket one other than a cleaner looking system by having just the one loop.

Creig, I agree with your premise that at 50 C you probably don't have any problem with heat or throttling. The reference 290s/290x surely had a significant throttling problem. I think this is one of the reasons AMD went with an AIO cooling system.
In my case, I wouldn't have room to put the radiator since I already have 3 480 rads in my Thermaltake Core X9 and I prefer custom blocks.

In my 3770k system I have it cooled with a Kraken X60 and would have room in the exhaust area for the radiator.

 

[Eymar]

Either that, or more likely, they're much more careful regarding who gets them and have completely blocked the people who could have led to leaks in the past (I'm sure there are ways to figure all that out).

Yup and with the next click generator cards probably being the Fury air cooled version (though probably AIB have ones to sample) and Fury Nano, reviewers have good reason to be tight lipped. Especially what happen to kitguru.

 

[bryanW1995]

I don't think that's enough time to tape-out and release a product, I really don't. Not in the complex world of international sales. They planned for the 980Ti, it's their consumer flagship, no Titan will ever fill that spot because Titans are limited, proof of design, halo products, nothing more. It just happens that the flagship is much closer to the halo this time, likely because it was necessary for full DX12 compliance and performance.

What? They certainly had the ability with the original Titan to bring out 780ti much sooner than they did, but AMD had nothing out there to force NV's hand. This time, however, NV knew that AMD was bring out the new card ~ E3, and they knew the card was going to be pretty good. What better way to get as many sales as possible and rain on AMD's parade than to offer a "$350 price cut but with same performance card" vs their flagship Titan?

In this particular instance, I think that more leaks from AMD would have enticed many people to hold off on 980ti purchases. Running a tight ship is cool and all, but some strategic leaks from trusted sources might have been a better strategy for them.

 

[MagickMan]

I'm certain that Nvidia had the 980 Ti ready and waiting in the wings until they needed to release it.

They came out with the Titan X first, getting money from all the big-spenders who need to own halo products. Then they released the 980 Ti just ahead of the Fury X to capitalize on the people who wouldn't spend $1,000 on a video card, but would spend $650. So Nvidia ended up with a month of uncontested $650 video card sales to people who will now have the choice of either a 980 Ti or a Fury X. It's a very solid business plan if you ask me.

Yep. Sure doesn't sound like nvidia felt "threatened", does it?

 

[sze5003]

I'm certain that Nvidia had the 980 Ti ready and waiting in the wings until they needed to release it.

They came out with the Titan X first, getting money from all the big-spenders who need to own halo products. Then they released the 980 Ti just ahead of the Fury X to capitalize on the people who wouldn't spend $1,000 on a video card, but would spend $650. So Nvidia ended up with a month of uncontested $650 video card sales to people who will now have the choice of either a 980 Ti or a Fury X. It's a very solid business plan if you ask me.

Right..every company knows what they are going to release months or more before they release it. That's how it works with everything tech or software. It also makes financial sense too; these decisions are not just made up on a whim.

 

[x3sphere]

780 was not reaching the Titan performance.
780 Ti - released in Nov 2013 made buying Titan pointless after 9 months.
980 Ti made buying Titan X pointless after a couple of months.

Arguably the 780 made the OG Titan just as irrelevant as 980 Ti made the Titan X.

There was less than a 10% difference between 780 and OG Titan. 7-8%, compared to 3-4% with the 980 Ti vs Titan X. Not a meaningful difference in either case, considering the price disparity.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780/images/perfrel.gif

So my point is, there was no reason to buy Titan either after the 780 came out. The only thing different NV did this time is keep Titan the full chip, though perhaps we'll see a revised 980 Ti or Maxwell refresh 9 months down the line...

 

[RaistlinZ]

Where is the Nano supposed to stack up in terms of performance?

 

[3DVagabond]

Where is the Nano supposed to stack up in terms of performance?

Above 290X. IF it's 2x the perf/W of the 290X and uses 175W you are looking ~20%-30% faster than the 290X.

 

[MagickMan]

What? They certainly had the ability with the original Titan to bring out 780ti much sooner than they did, but AMD had nothing out there to force NV's hand. This time, however, NV knew that AMD was bring out the new card ~ E3, and they knew the card was going to be pretty good. What better way to get as many sales as possible and rain on AMD's parade than to offer a "$350 price cut but with same performance card" vs their flagship Titan?

In this particular instance, I think that more leaks from AMD would have enticed many people to hold off on 980ti purchases. Running a tight ship is cool and all, but some strategic leaks from trusted sources might have been a better strategy for them.

Titan X isn't their flagship, Titans never have been, they're over-the-top, limited release halo cards.

 

[3DVagabond]

Titan X isn't their flagship, Titans never have been, they're over-the-top, limited release halo cards.

It's a cash cow.