Official Fury X specs

[DiogoDX]

Fiji 596mm^2

http://www.golem.de/news/grafikkarte-amd-kuendigt-radeon-r9-fury-x-und-r9-nano-an-1506-114703.html

 

[Grooveriding]

600mm2

 

[96Firebird]

My measurements weren't far off:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=37449945#post37449945

Looking at my last 2 attempts, the average comes out to 600mm². I'll take it!

 

[raghu78]

600mm2

In fact this is the first AMD chip with more transistors than Nvidia's big die flagship.

Titan-X - 8 billion transistors.
Fury X - 8.9 billion transistors.

see the video at 54:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MEgJLvoP2U

 

[Grooveriding]

So we are seeing the difference in densities between the two 28nm processes being used ? Glofo vs TSMC. I'm not surprised they have the water cooler then because it will be giving off lots of heat.

 

[crashtech]

Not to mention that keeping temps down keeps power consumption under control.

 

[.vodka]

And our estimates were around right! 600mm2. Good to see AMD not afraid to do monster GPUs like nV. Considering AMD/ATI has always competed with smaller chips with nV's gigantic GPUs and coming awfully close or exceeding them, this is a recipe for disaster for green team.

Such a die size backs up the FC4 4k ultra slide showing these results.

 

[crashtech]

It's a recipe for competition, which means the real winner is the consumer!

 

[raghu78]

So we are seeing the difference in densities between the two 28nm processes being used ? Glofo vs TSMC. I'm not surprised they have the water cooler then because it will be giving off lots of heat.

Actually GF 28SHP is a gate first process which has 10-20% higher density than TSMC 28HP/28HPM which is a gate last process.

http://globalfoundries.com/docs/def...undries-stmicro-28nm-mobile-apps.pdf?sfvrsn=2

In fact GF 28SHP also has superior leakage characteristics when compared to TSMC 28HP as evidenced by Beema / Mullins vs Kabini / Temash power reduction.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7974/...hitecture-a10-micro-6700t-performance-preview

"AMD claims a 19% reduction in core leakage/static current for Puma+ compared to Jaguar at 1.2V, and a 38% reduction for the GPU. The drop in leakage directly contributes to a substantially lower power profile for Beema and Mullins."

In fact Joe Macri stated Fury X is built for overclocking in terms of its components. 6 phase 400A power delivery system. 32 db regular operation and 50c. 275W stock TDP with a cooling system designed for 500W. see video at 1:02:00 - 1:02:50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MEgJLvoP2U

http://www.golem.de/news/grafikkarte-amd-kuendigt-radeon-r9-fury-x-und-r9-nano-an-1506-114703.html

see slide 13

 

[garagisti]

So we are seeing the difference in densities between the two 28nm processes being used ? Glofo vs TSMC. I'm not surprised they have the water cooler then because it will be giving off lots of heat.

It is frustrating to see this said a lot. Why? They had air-cooled 7990 and even 290x2 Devil by powercolor, which was in excess of 500W really. This is but 275W typical and quite likely well under 300 in most scenarios excluding thermal virus etc. It would be easy to air cool it, infact Sapphire's 290x Venom-X 8gb model was cooler than some 970s.

 

[Kenmitch]

It is frustrating to see this said a lot. Why? They had air-cooled 7990 and even 290x2 Devil by powercolor, which was in excess of 500W really. This is but 275W typical and quite likely well under 300 in most scenarios excluding thermal virus etc. It would be easy to air cool it, infact Sapphire's 290x Venom-X 8gb model was cooler than some 970s.

4 slot air cooler? Cooler longer than PCB?

Looks like a nice card as is to me. The card was breed for the AIO from the start most likely.

 

[flopper]

In fact Joe Macri stated Fury X is built for overclocking in terms of its components. 6 phase 400A power delivery system. 32 db regular operation and 50c. 275W stock TDP with a cooling system designed for 500W. see video at 1:02:00 - 1:02:50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MEgJLvoP2U

http://www.golem.de/news/grafikkarte-amd-kuendigt-radeon-r9-fury-x-und-r9-nano-an-1506-114703.html

see slide 13

dont post stuff like that people like me want to buy it yesterday!!!

 

[garagisti]

4 slot air cooler? Cooler longer than PCB?

Looks like a nice card as is to me. The card was breed for the AIO from the start most likely.

You missed the point that i was trying to make. Sapphire's 290x Vapor was cooler than some 970s. The TDP is about the same as 290x... you don't need the water cooler, but is it better? Hell yes.

Erm, AMD has been knocked about for 3-4 years now for their stock cooling. Well, this more than delivers.

 

[RussianSensation]

In fact this is the first AMD chip with more transistors than Nvidia's big die flagship.

Titan-X - 8 billion transistors.
Fury X - 8.9 billion transistors.

see the video at 54:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MEgJLvoP2U

:thumbsup:

Pretty amazing after hearing dual-Tonga XT or Hawaii+HBM or barely 20% faster than a 980 at 4K fear mongering BS for months and AMD comes out with a 596mm2 die card. I am just glad to see 980 officially becoming irrelevant at $500 and making its way into the mid-range bin. Can't believe NV got away with selling that card for $550.

I underestimated the die size thinking they'll be more like 530-550mm2.

Transistor Density:

R9 290X (438mm2 ~ 6.2B) = 14.16 million / mm2
Fury X (596mm2 ~ 8.9B) = 14.93 million / mm2

I wonder what the DP performance is like and if overclocking will be impacted by the increase in transistor density. R9 290X was a worse overclocker than HD7970 and this Fiji chip is even larger and more dense than Hawaii.

It'll be interesting to see what direction Apple goes with its Mac Pro.

"When coupled with the dual workstation-class FirePro GPUs with up to 4096 stream processors and 12GB of fast GDDR5 memory, OpenCL enables your applications to harness up to 7 teraflops of computational power."

It's going to be very difficult to market Fury for the Mac with its 4GB memory. Maybe they'll use R9 390 series or go with GM200 this time.

I can already see Furmark enthusiasts posting how Fiji is using 350-375W of power.

 

[Headfoot]

You missed the point that i was trying to make. Sapphire's 290x Vapor was cooler than some 970s. The TDP is about the same as 290x... you don't need the water cooler, but is it better? Hell yes.

Erm, AMD has been knocked about for 3-4 years now for their stock cooling. Well, this more than delivers.

Don't underestimate the forum warrior's ability to arbitrarily draw lines in the sand to favor their favored commercial diety despite no objective, evidence based reason to do so.

 

[raghu78]

:thumbsup:

Pretty amazing after hearing dual-Tonga XT or Hawaii+HBM or barely 20% faster than a 980 at 4K fear mongering BS for months and AMD comes out with a 596mm2 die card. I am just glad to see 980 officially becoming irrelevant at $500 and making its way into the mid-range bin. Can't believe NV got away with selling that card for $550.

I underestimated the die size thinking they'll be more like 530-550mm2.

Transistor Density:

R9 290X (438mm2 ~ 6.2B) = 14.16 million / mm2
Fury X (596mm2 ~ 8.9B) = 14.93 million / mm2

GF 28SHP is more dense than TSMC 28HP. gate first vs gate last. GF 28SHP is a superior process than TSMC 28HP in terms of leakage characteristics.

I wonder what the DP performance is like and if overclocking will be impacted by the increase in transistor density. R9 290X was a worse overclocker than HD7970 and this Fiji chip is even larger and more dense than Hawaii.

It'll be interesting to see what direction Apple goes with its Mac Pro.

"When coupled with the dual workstation-class FirePro GPUs with up to 4096 stream processors and 12GB of fast GDDR5 memory, OpenCL enables your applications to harness up to 7 teraflops of computational power."

It's going to be very difficult to market Fury for the Mac with its 4GB memory. Maybe they'll use R9 390 series or go with GM200 this time.

I can already see Furmark enthusiasts posting how Fiji is using 350-375W of power.

AMD will wait for 8 Hi HBM to launch Firepro cards. But even then they will only get to 8 GB HBM. So yeah its a bit of downer for professional workloads which love VRAM unless AMD has some major driver software based memory management improvements.

 

[hawtdawg]

No HDMI 2.0 or DVI. That alienates quite a few people out there with Korean IPS panels.

 

[DiogoDX]

No HDMI 2.0 or DVI. That alienates quite a few people out there with Korean IPS panels.

I'll update to freesync in the future so is not a big deal because have to use displayport.

But is a bummer for those that want to use a 4K TV.

 

[hawtdawg]

I'll update to freesync in the future so is not a big deal because have to use displayport.

But is a bummer for those that want to use a 4K TV.

And it's a bummer for all the people out there with Korean IPS panels...

 

[at80eighty]

ultrawide freesync 4k looks realistic for my desk now haha

 

[Elfear]

Is anyone else a little disappointed with 6 power phases? That's what the reference Hawaii cards had too and they got squirrely upping the voltage too much (in my experience). Not all power circuitry is created equal so maybe AMD used beefier components in Fury's 6-phase design.

 

[96Firebird]

No HDMI 2.0 or DVI. That alienates quite a few people out there with Korean IPS panels.

Where did you see this?

Edit - Nevermind, found the post by AMDMatt...

 

[Lalilulelo]

And it's a bummer for all the people out there with Korean IPS panels...

It's what they get for early adopters budget IPS panel . Display Port MasterRACE

 

[happy medium]

No HDMI 2.0 or DVI. That alienates quite a few people out there with Korean IPS panels.

Don't worry AMD don't need those sales, it has a thriving cpu division and it has 4gb of HBM memory!


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[Silverforce11]

You mean people don't know about cheap DP to DVI cables? Say it isn't so!