Official Fury X specs

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n0x1ous

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the lack of hdmi 2.0 and lack of dvi have dampened my enthusiasm for Fury X and im sure other Korean IPS owners feel the same......good luck to us finding an active adapter that supports 1440p @ 120hz and even if we do it will be +$100 premium

EDIT - RS - the cable you linked above says limited to 4k 30hz in the description
 

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Yet Mantle is on for Sniper Elite 3, so it must be working on Fury cards...

Weird.

Maybe SE3 is a hot mess in DX to the point Fury loses and they're willing to turn it off to show they don't need it in BF, but not if it means they don't win in each. It might also be that there's more numbers to hide in, or maybe that they wanted to show that they don't always need to run mantle to come out ahead but also show that yes mantle makes a big difference.
 

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Actually Fury might have HDMI 2.0; AMDMatt on another sub said he needs to double check what he said.

Honestly way AMD starting to fire on all cyllinders I wouldn't be surprised if he made a mistake and it does have HDMI 2.0
 

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Is anyone else a little disappointed with 6 power phases? That's what the reference Hawaii cards had too and they got squirrely upping the voltage too much (in my experience). Not all power circuitry is created equal so maybe AMD used beefier components in Fury's 6-phase design.

Your last sentence is the answer. 6-power phases but up to 400A of power!

Not sure about so much hype for Fury Nano card. Hope it surprises. My thinking is that I'd rather have more performance available when needed and if one wanted to use way less power, one could just utilize the frame rate target control (FRTC) on a flagship card. This gives a lot more flexibilty because to get to Fury X speeds with Fury Nano will probably be impossible but it's probably possible to downclock Fury with a combination of FRTC to get to Nano's power usage and performance level.



the lack of hdmi 2.0 and lack of dvi have dampened my enthusiasm for Fury X and im sure other Korean IPS owners feel the same......good luck to us finding an active adapter that supports 1440p @ 120hz and even if we do it will be +$100 premium

EDIT - RS - the cable you linked above says limited to 4k 30hz in the description

1. The first part of your statement isn't a problem for gaming. There are plenty of DP to DVI adapters. I am not sure why you are worried.

2560x1600 @ 60Hz (DP to Dual-Link DVI)
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=12802

This one for $15, the first review even says that he bought it specifically for a Korean monitor:

DP1.2a to Dual-Link DVI 2560x1600 @ 60Hz
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=12783

2. The connector I linked does say HDMI 2.0 @ 30Hz. In their description it says due to chipset limitations as I presume most TVs of the time they launched this cable didn't support 4K @ 60Hz over HDMI 2.0. I wonder if the cable can though. If not, I am sure we'll soon see such cables.

Either way, I find it rather odd that suddenly the entire PC gaming community is gaming on TVs but for the last 15 years my anecdotal evidence was that very few of us used 37-65" gaming screens.
 

n0x1ous

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1. The first part of your statement isn't a problem for gaming. There are plenty of DP to DVI adapters. I am not sure why you are worried.

notice my post said 1440p @ 120hz Thats why I am worried. I don't think im the only Korean owner who overclocks the panel......
 
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AnandThenMan

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So Fury X is not being positioned against Titan X?
This is silly question don't you think when you consider the price points.

On the HDMI thing, I absolutely hate HDMI but I am looking into a 4K television so if Fury doesn't have support, dunno I guess I have to go Nvidia. Why would AMD shoot themselves in the foot over an interface? I don't get it.
 

crashtech

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This is silly question don't you think when you consider the price points.
Not at all, it is clear from the new naming convention that the target for Fiji is Titan X. At least they should be including Titan X in the performance comparisons along with the 980ti, so then we have both flagships and cards competing on price represented. I think the symbolism of that would have significance.
 

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Confirmed to be only HDMI 1.4a.
I am not sure about going that far.

Allows PCs with ‘Dual-Mode’ DisplayPort (DP++) outputs to connect to displays with HDMI inputs. HDMI 2.0 (active circuit at HDMI connector).

I think we should see 3rd parties start offering DP to HDMI 2.0 (60Hz) connectors sooner or later. If you must buy now, then just get a 980TI

That adapter (and every other adapter I have seen so far) can not pass 4K60. They're all 4K30. If I have to buy a $30-100 adapter to get 4K60 over HDMI 2.0, then I'll actually save money buying a 980Ti. I already owned a 970, so I know Maxwell can do it, but I really want this Fury X (review pending, of course)!

Actually Fury might have HDMI 2.0; AMDMatt on another sub said he needs to double check what he said. Honestly way AMD starting to fire on all cyllinders I wouldn't be surprised if he made a mistake and it does have HDMI 2.0

I hope that's true. I'm thinking the same way you are - how could they come out with this incredible card and go as far as to claim how useable it is for the living room - and completely blow it on the connector? That would be a tremendous oversight. It's already slightly embarrassing that they didn't upgrade the rest of the 300-series for 2.0, but the flagship?
 
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n0x1ous

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That adapter (and every other adapter I have seen so far) can not pass 4K60. They're all 4K30. If I have to buy a $30-100 adapter to get 4K60 over HDMI 2.0, then I'll actually save money buying a 980Ti. I already owned a 970, so I know Maxwell can do it, but I really want this Fury X (review pending, of course)!



I hope that's true. I'm thinking the same way you are - how could they come out with this incredible card and go as far as to claim how useable it is for the living room - and completely blow it on the connector? That would be a tremendous oversight. It's already slightly embarrassing that they didn't upgrade the rest of the 300-series for 2.0, but the flagship?

They made no mention of HDMI 2.0 in any of the press conferences or presentations - im 95% sure its 1.4 at this point.
 

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Dont know if already pointed, but Fiji is 596mm2, its transistor density is +/- the same as Hawaii. I dont exepct it to overclock like Maxwell.
 

AnandThenMan

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Not at all, it is clear from the new naming convention that the target for Fiji is Titan X. At least they should be including Titan X in the performance comparisons along with the 980ti, so then we have both flagships and cards competing on price represented. I think the symbolism of that would have significance.
Fair point. I think if Fury X has 8GB of memory they would have been more inclined to target Titan X. I could be wrong, but either way Fury is limited to 4GB currently it is what it is. Being first with new technology usually has some compromise.

On the X moniker this is more of an AMD/ATI thing.
 

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notice my post said 1440p @ 120hz Thats why I am worried. I don't think im the only Korean owner who overclocks the panel......

I have been looking for similar adapter since the reference Fury X card was reported to drop the dual linked DVI. My Qnix 2710 is currently at 96Hz and can do 120Hz if needed. Without a good adapter, AMD is forcing people to essentially go and buy the Asus MG279Q as that's the only available IPS screen with high refresh rate. That's another $600 in addition to 2 x $649 for any crossfire Fury X.


http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Active-Displayport-to-Dual-Link-DVI-adaptor-pixel-clock

ToastyX
The highest I know is around 400 MHz with this adapter: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00856W...ortests-20

The problem is full-speed DisplayPort 1.2 is not common, and DisplayPort 1.1 actually has less bandwidth than unrestricted dual-link DVI. DisplayPort 1.1 only allows up to 360 MHz with 8-bit color and 480 MHz with 6-bit color. The driver will switch to 6-bit color beyond 360 MHz, but this isn't a major problem because AMD cards implement dithering. The driver might not allow beyond 360 MHz if the video card can't output 6-bit color. I know the 7000-series cards can output 6-bit color, but I don't know about the R9 290-series cards.

jaylumx - I can only get 8 bpc to show when the refresh rate is 60hz. My 84 hz reduced timings only shows 6 bpc though which is surprising since its pixel clock is less than 330mhz.

My QHD @ 96Hz need ~390MHz bandwidth at LCD standard timing. Even if the Monoprice DP1.2a->Dual link DVI adapter work somehow, we're still dealing with 6-bit dithering color by the driver.


At this point, depend on how the review of Fury X goes, hopefully the AIB is allowed to add a dual linked DVI port to the Watercooled Fury X model. It's supposed to be a day 1 purchase, AMD.
 
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n0x1ous

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Hilbert on Guru 3d just confirmed he has a fury x on hand. Nice to know they will give them enough time for a good full review, and not wait till a day or 2 before like it has been the last few released it seems.
 

n0x1ous

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At this point, depend on how the review of Fury X goes, hopefully the AIB is allowed to add a dual linked DVI port to the Watercooled Fury X model. It's supposed to be a day 1 purchase, AMD.

Fury X is reference only from what I have read so customers like us may be forced to go with 980ti......
 

MrTeal

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The Anandtech 300 review says the Fiji chip is still TMSC. Korea could be where the chip was assembled though.
 

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Confirmed to be only HDMI 1.4a.

I am not sure about going that far.

I am.

84% of all 4k gamers currently use 4k televisions via HDMI (none have DP ports unfortunately) according to NPD. No HDMI 2.0 is a deal-breaker for myself due to this reason, now have to eliminate the 2x Fury X cards I was going to buy and flip over to 980 Ti. Which sucks, because the Fury X is slightly faster and cheaper for the AIO version (versus EVGA's 980 Ti with AIO).

Goddamnit AMD...sigh.
 
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I'm completely dumbstruck by AMD's port configuration. It seems like they're really trying to push DisplayPort, which, fine... but no DVI at all, and only HDMI 1.4? If you're positioning a card to compete at 4K, why do you ignore the most common interface for connecting at that resolution? It's utterly illogical. I have no words beyond "dealbreaker for a large part of your market segment." What were they thinking?
 

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I am.

84% of all 4k gamers currently use 4k televisions via HDMI (none have DP ports unfortunately) according to NPD. No HDMI 2.0 is a deal-breaker for myself due to this reason, now have to eliminate the 2x Fury X cards I was going to buy and flip over to 980 Ti. Which sucks, because the Fury X is slightly faster and cheaper for the AIO version (versus EVGA's 980 Ti with AIO).

Goddamnit AMD...sigh.

Panasonic 4kTv have displayports?
 

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Confirmed to be only HDMI 1.4a.

"It turns out that AMD's new "Fiji" silicon lacks HDMI 2.0 support, after all. Commenting on OCUK Forums, an AMD representative confirmed that the chip lacks support for the connector standard, implying that it's limited to HDMI 1.4a."
http://www.techpowerup.com/213575/amd-fiji-silicon-lacks-hdmi-2-0-support.html



I am not sure about going that far.

Allows PCs with ‘Dual-Mode’ DisplayPort (DP++) outputs to connect to displays with HDMI inputs. HDMI 2.0 (active circuit at HDMI connector).



Someone will need to test it out if it works at 60Hz.
http://visionaudiovisual.com/techconnect/cables/dp/

I think we should see 3rd parties start offering DP to HDMI 2.0 (60Hz) connectors sooner or later. If you must buy now, then just get a 980TI
Not just HDMI 2, but it must also be compliant with HDCP 2.2, or no playback of UHD discs. Those turds at UHD only finalised standards last month or so. One of the chaps at AVS was suggesting that Nvidia's cards are also not HDCP 2.2 compliant. So all of us without new cards will end up buying again sometime in 2016. Sucks, but i guess that's just it really.
 

crashtech

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Huh, maybe this is not the year of 4K for me after all. Very informative, gents, thanks.
 

bryanW1995

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In fact this is the first AMD chip with more transistors than Nvidia's big die flagship.

Titan-X - 8 billion transistors.
Fury X - 8.9 billion transistors.

see the video at 54:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MEgJLvoP2U

So we are seeing the difference in densities between the two 28nm processes being used ? Glofo vs TSMC. I'm not surprised they have the water cooler then because it will be giving off lots of heat.

Wow...somehow I missed this amidst all the launch noise.

I wonder how long it will take jhh to switch to glofo if tsmc can't keep up in process? And, in addition to that, I wonder how long AMD would get preferential treatment from GloFo if a large client like NV want to start using them? Is NV even a bigger client than AMD is when you count cpu/apu/gpu business? This could get interesting.
 

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Not just HDMI 2, but it must also be compliant with HDCP 2.2, or no playback of UHD discs. Those turds at UHD only finalised standards last month or so. One of the chaps at AVS was suggesting that Nvidia's cards are also not HDCP 2.2 compliant. So all of us without new cards will end up buying again sometime in 2016. Sucks, but i guess that's just it really.

No DP to HDMI 2.0 active converters until at least Q4, and they will introduce lag and cost at least $100. So why bother? I have a Samsung 2015 4k 48" display with HDMI 2.0 4:4:4 input. If the Fury doesn't support 2.0 I'll have to go with Nvidia again.
 
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