Official FW158.19 released

[yhelothar]

meh.. these drivers suck
STALKER hard crashes to BSoD now.
The old advanced color correction settings are gone now.. the one with the curves graph.
At least now it saves old color settings.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Painman

Originally posted by: chizow

Painman, double check the control panel settings. Flat panel scaling still works fine in these drivers. Change the setting to "Do Not Scale" and set your panel to 1:1. I'm running black borders on all sides at 1680x1050 in both desktop and games. 1600x1200 etc. etc. also work.

Got it working, eh? Where/how do you enter it? I didn't even see it listed in my options.

Same as I've always got it to work with 100 series and higher drivers. In NV control panel there's a menu for "Flat Panel Scaling". Click on it and it'll bring up 3-4 radio buttons. Select "Do Not Scale", hit apply and save the settings. The card will now output the resolution without scaling, leaving any scaling to your panel. If your panel is set to 1:1 then there will be no scaling of the image.

Originally posted by: Pugnate
I don't understand... if this is an official release, why does the page say BETA?

NV has listed Beta drivers in the past, just not for XP for the G80 cards. They probably wanted to get something out for the G84 launch with a WHQL version on the way. It might be a 158 but from the looks of things they might try to squeeze in a few more fixes before they go for WHQL certification. I guess the distinction between "official" and "leaked" is NV listing the drivers on their site with driver notes (even though they seem to be down), even though they're both Beta drivers.

 

[vjeta]

Hi !!
After reading lots of interesting topics from this forum, i finally decided to register!!
So this is my first message!
I've a 7900GTO@GTX with forceware 91.xx (can't remeber the exact version).
Months ago, i updated to version 93.71 but with this ones i was unable to overclock my gfx card to GTX!! So i went back to 91.xx.

Is this new driver working good with windows XP 32bit?? I play STALKER, Test Drive unlimited, FEAR Combat, Oblivion, ... and MAME xD
There is any kind of improvement using them?? (like with the 8800 GTS)
Anyone tryed??
My system is rock solid stable so i don't wan't beta drivers, and don't like BSOD's.

Thank you!!

And sorry for my bad english, i'm spanish (catalan)

 

[Aikouka]

? GeForce 8800 GTX, GeForce 7900 GTX: Black screen occurs with
various Direct3D applications at high resolutions and with
antialiasing and anisotropic filtering enabled.

Nice if this is the issue I've always had with my 8800GTX. I actually got it for the first time in awhile the other day but I can't remember what drivers I'm running.

Although I installed the 158.18 drivers on a PC with a G60 and Vista the other day and it still has the horrid UAC issue where the screen goes completely black and then the UAC dialog comes up instead of fading to gray and the dialog coming up. It wouldn't be so bad if the black screen didn't take about 3 seconds each time to go away and it takes two black screens per UAC dialog :Q!

 

[Pugnate]

Well after installing the new drivers I tried Oblivion, and the performance was definitely worse. What the hell?

 

[SPARTAN VI]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: SPARTAN VI
Man these new drivers suck. Oblivion works fine, but the drivers themselves....

First of all, I lost fan control and temp monitoring. Second, the GPU fails the OC testing... which never happens. Third, the new options crash the control panel. What a useless pile of crap. And yes, I uninstalled the old drivers, rebooted into Safe Mode, ran DC Pro, rebooted, installed the new drivers, then rebooted.

lol. Guess I'll stick with my 97.92s for now. I need fan control with the driver...OCing I do with ATITool so it's not a problem.

If ATI's driver support/function/stability seem to be better at their launch...this GTS is gone in a heartbeat.

Why can't you control the fan with ATI Tool?

oh and PM me when you're ready to let that GTS go.

True, I have ATi Tool, but haven't used it in a while. But for convenience, it'd be nice to have everything in one place.

There are reports on the elderscrolls forums of these drivers crashing Oblivion too. Wont go past the load screen for some.

After removing these and going into Safe Mode, I was getting artifacts then a hard lock.. in safe mode! Using 97.92 again, no problems since.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Pugnate
Well after installing the new drivers I tried Oblivion, and the performance was definitely worse. What the hell?

this seems to always be the case with new driver releases. its so annoying.

 

[Breezewind]

I got a huge performance boost in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. with these new beta drivers.

 

[Elfear]

I was stoked to see new drivers out with reports of big performance gains from some sites. Actual experience has been less than stellar though. I went through the proper procedure for uninstalling my old drivers and after installing the new ones my screen goes blank when Vista tries to load. I can switch my DVI cable to the other port and get a picture but than I am stuck with 1024x768 (on a 1680x1050 capable monitor). Super annoying.

R600 can't come quick enough.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Painman

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
meh..

i've had widescreen for almost 2 years and have never had a need for lcd scaling...

That's nice, but doesn't invalidate the importance of the feature for others.

true, but you look at it with a bit of diversity from the stand point of tens of thousands of users and the few who feel they need them.. doesn't seem like a huge priority.

it would certainly be nice to see everything functional, but at the same time, depending on the degree of difficulty in getting it working, there are likely more pressing needs. if it's that important to you, upgrade to a panel w/ built in scaling.

Originally posted by: Elfear
I was stoked to see new drivers out with reports of big performance gains from some sites. Actual experience has been less than stellar though. I went through the proper procedure for uninstalling my old drivers and after installing the new ones my screen goes blank when Vista tries to load. I can switch my DVI cable to the other port and get a picture but than I am stuck with 1024x768 (on a 1680x1050 capable monitor). Super annoying.

R600 can't come quick enough.

i run DVI and have no such issue. i wonder what the differences could be between our 2 systems which would cause such a showstopper on one system, yet work fine on the other.. it would seem to me that the only important things would be common between the 2 systems: driver and graphics card. could the panel itself be a cause? would not seem logcal tho...

overall these drivers work great for me. supcom no longer crashes (BSOD) during a long game or cause the repeating "driver is not responding" error, stalker perf. is improved, and i've yet to incur any setbacks with any apps i use.

i'm pleased with this driver; feel bad for your issues

 

[chizow]

All panels have built-in scaling, the problem is that NV drivers in the past for 8800s always scaled and didn't allow you to turn scaling off. Stretched images don't bother some people, but others can't stand it. Personally I can't stand it and I think most others feel the same way, they just might not know it. I think the most commonly asked question from new LCD owners is how to make the image look "uncrappy" because they don't know about native resolutions and scaling.

But to give an example, since not all games support both standard and widescreen resolution, users are stuck somewhere in the middle. You can either stretch/scale a standard aspect image or you can run it with no scaling. No scaling looks vastly superior, if the tens of thousands of people who run BF2/2042 on a wide panel knew the difference they might make more of a fuss about it.

 

[Pugnate]

Bah these drivers suck.

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: vjeta
Hi !!
After reading lots of interesting topics from this forum, i finally decided to register!!
So this is my first message!
I've a 7900GTO@GTX with forceware 91.xx (can't remeber the exact version).
Months ago, i updated to version 93.71 but with this ones i was unable to overclock my gfx card to GTX!! So i went back to 91.xx.

Is this new driver working good with windows XP 32bit?? I play STALKER, Test Drive unlimited, FEAR Combat, Oblivion, ... and MAME xD
There is any kind of improvement using them?? (like with the 8800 GTS)
Anyone tryed??
My system is rock solid stable so i don't wan't beta drivers, and don't like BSOD's.

Thank you!!

And sorry for my bad english, i'm spanish (catalan)

Hey man, don't worry about your english! And welcome to the forums :thumbsup:

Bienvenido :beer:

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: chizow
158.19s work great for me. The major annoying bug fixes from the 97s to low 100s are still intact and they fixed a few more this time around. Fixed some transparency and shadow problems with Titan Quest and there's less paging/rubber banding also.

Painman, double check the control panel settings. Flat panel scaling still works fine in these drivers. Change the setting to "Do Not Scale" and set your panel to 1:1. I'm running black borders on all sides at 1680x1050 in both desktop and games. 1600x1200 etc. etc. also work.

For fan control and overclocking, I've used 2 programs since the 100 series were leaked. ATI Tool for OC'ing and RivaTuner for fan control. Annoying, but it works until NV sorts out their issues. Overall happy with these drivers, especially since they're finally on NV's site and don't involve leaked downloads, modded .infs and busted setup .exes.....

I concur, flat panel scaling is fixed.

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: lavaheadache

Originally posted by: chizow
158.19s work great for me. The major annoying bug fixes from the 97s to low 100s are still intact and they fixed a few more this time around. Fixed some transparency and shadow problems with Titan Quest and there's less paging/rubber banding also.

Painman, double check the control panel settings. Flat panel scaling still works fine in these drivers. Change the setting to "Do Not Scale" and set your panel to 1:1. I'm running black borders on all sides at 1680x1050 in both desktop and games. 1600x1200 etc. etc. also work.

For fan control and overclocking, I've used 2 programs since the 100 series were leaked. ATI Tool for OC'ing and RivaTuner for fan control. Annoying, but it works until NV sorts out their issues. Overall happy with these drivers, especially since they're finally on NV's site and don't involve leaked downloads, modded .infs and busted setup .exes.....

I concur, flat panel scaling is fixed.

OK, I'm gonna install these once more and try to find the option, because I really didn't see the "change flat panel scaling" that I expected to find anywhere in the selections. I know it's been (semi) working since 100.87, so I was shocked not to see it.

Edit: Well, I'm not blind and I'm not crazy. Something is wrong here, the option isn't available.

Pic

The drivers see my display, they see that it's an LCD... but don't give me scaling. If I revert back to 100.87 I get scaling back, but they disappear with any driver 100.95 or above that I've tried.

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
true, but you look at it with a bit of diversity from the stand point of tens of thousands of users and the few who feel they need them.. doesn't seem like a huge priority.

My problem now seems to be isolated to my machine, but nonetheless I'm not gonna sit here and be told what to complain about after paying over $500 for a flagship video card.

And if you'd bothered to read a bit more before posting, you'd have known that my problems with nV's drivers have stemmed from the fact that they prevent my monitor's scaler from being able to do its job by sending only 1920*1200 signals out the DVI port. Having drivers that can't scale is one thing. Having drivers that kill off my ability to do so by other means is entirely another, and I most certainly will b!tch about that.

it would certainly be nice to see everything functional, but at the same time, depending on the degree of difficulty in getting it working, there are likely more pressing needs. if it's that important to you, upgrade to a panel w/ built in scaling.

You just told a guy with an NEC 2690 to upgrade his display. Congratulations, you win this week's Irony Award.

 

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: chizow
158.19s work great for me. The major annoying bug fixes from the 97s to low 100s are still intact and they fixed a few more this time around. Fixed some transparency and shadow problems with Titan Quest and there's less paging/rubber banding also.

Painman, double check the control panel settings. Flat panel scaling still works fine in these drivers. Change the setting to "Do Not Scale" and set your panel to 1:1. I'm running black borders on all sides at 1680x1050 in both desktop and games. 1600x1200 etc. etc. also work.

For fan control and overclocking, I've used 2 programs since the 100 series were leaked. ATI Tool for OC'ing and RivaTuner for fan control. Annoying, but it works until NV sorts out their issues. Overall happy with these drivers, especially since they're finally on NV's site and don't involve leaked downloads, modded .infs and busted setup .exes.....

I confirm your findings. The panel scaling was the fix I was looking for. It was the first thing to do when installing new drivers and it is the first driver that makes it ok for the 8800 family.

Before I could set to no scaling, but it would always revert to the default scaling.

The DELL 2407FPW relies on the graphic card to keep original resolutions and no scaling is a must feature for me.

 

[chizow]

That's pretty weird, I have 6-7 more options in my NV control panel. Upon closer examination it looks like a lot of the options are performance/system type stuff from nTune. Maybe try installing the latest version and see if that adds the option. Also, you're running Vista or XP? Anyways, it should be sitting between "Change resolution" and "Adjust desktop color settings".

But ya its a pretty big feature for those who've had it or know what they're missing when its not working. Just to reiterate, the flat panel scaling has been working since the 100-series started getting leaked. I've had it working on the 100.65 and later for over a month.

 

[Tarrant64]

I lose my display everytime I try to change my drivers. Nvidia drivers are a NO GO, 7900GS + Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen. Everything always blanks out. Could be a Viewsonic thing as the 19" widescreen I bougth for my mom has the same problem too.

This monitor and these drivers suck. Time to invenst in Dell 2407 huh?

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
I lose my display everytime I try to change my drivers. Nvidia drivers are a NO GO, 7900GS + Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen. Everything always blanks out. Could be a Viewsonic thing as the 19" widescreen I bougth for my mom has the same problem too.

This monitor and these drivers suck. Time to invenst in Dell 2407 huh?

Definitely get the 2407.

But I think your problem is Viewsonic and not the drivers. My 17" Viewsonic would not play nice with my X1900XTX and I just gave it away and got a 2007WFP. Blank screen no matter what.

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: chizow
That's pretty weird, I have 6-7 more options in my NV control panel. Upon closer examination it looks like a lot of the options are performance/system type stuff from nTune. Maybe try installing the latest version and see if that adds the option. Also, you're running Vista or XP? Anyways, it should be sitting between "Change resolution" and "Adjust desktop color settings".

But ya its a pretty big feature for those who've had it or know what they're missing when its not working. Just to reiterate, the flat panel scaling has been working since the 100-series started getting leaked. I've had it working on the 100.65 and later for over a month.

Running XP... I just installed nTune to see if that's what was missing, but no go.

Quite a pain in the @ss... well I can go back to using D-Sub to make a virtual clone of the 2690 that the drivers think is a CRT (no scaling override)... but it's another pain in the @ss to go to the input menu and fiddle around whenever I need scaling. I'll evaluate the drivers and see if they offer enough benefit over 100.87 to bother.

But since these drivers have the option, I'd really like to discover why it's not available to me instead of going through all that hoo-ha. :|

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Painman
Edit: Well, I'm not blind and I'm not crazy. Something is wrong here, the option isn't available.

Pic

which driver are you using? it's there for me:

nv control panel

And if you'd bothered to read a bit more before posting, you'd have known that my problems with nV's drivers have stemmed from the fact that they prevent my monitor's scaler from being able to do its job by sending only 1920*1200 signals out the DVI port. Having drivers that can't scale is one thing. Having drivers that kill off my ability to do so by other means is entirely another, and I most certainly will b!tch about that.

so it's not a driver scaling problem then, you just can't send 4:3 resolutions?

You just told a guy with an NEC 2690 to upgrade his display. Congratulations, you win this week's Irony Award.

from your explanation i understood it as scaling didn't work in the driver. from how you've explained it here it sounds like you simply can't choose 4:3 resolutions, or the driver ignores them.... confusing.

still, it seems strange i have the option in my control panel (not running ntune or anything else, just the driver) and you do not. are you certainl your old drivers were completely removed?

 

[BFG10K]

Is this new driver working good with windows XP 32bit?
I've a 7900GTO@GTX with forceware 91.xx (can't remeber the exact version).

This driver is only for the G80 series. A modified INF may allow you to force the install but if the code isn't unified the results can be unpredictable.

All panels have built-in scaling

False. The Dell 30" derivatives for example have no built-in scaler.

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
I lose my display everytime I try to change my drivers. Nvidia drivers are a NO GO, 7900GS + Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen. Everything always blanks out. Could be a Viewsonic thing as the 19" widescreen I bougth for my mom has the same problem too.

This monitor and these drivers suck. Time to invenst in Dell 2407 huh?

Definitely get the 2407.

But I think your problem is Viewsonic and not the drivers. My 17" Viewsonic would not play nice with my X1900XTX and I just gave it away and got a 2007WFP. Blank screen no matter what.

Yeah, but if you dick around with it for a good 2-3 hours it gets working. Then it's cool. I just didn't touch any drivers. The latest one came out, and what did I do? Glad I had system restore.

Dell FTW.

 

[Woofmeister]

That's the flat panel scaling problem that everyone's been complaining about? That there's no scaling option at all despite the fact that the drivers detect an LCD?:Q

How does NVIDIA screw something like that up?

I couldn't live with the stretched lower resolution image if scaling didn't work.

Fortunately for me, I've tried every NVIDIA driver that's been released, Beta and Official and I've never lost the ability to set flat panel scaling. It sounds to me like this is monitor related issue and those of us with Dell LCDs are immune.

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Painman
Edit: Well, I'm not blind and I'm not crazy. Something is wrong here, the option isn't available.

Pic

which driver are you using? it's there for me:

nv control panel

And if you'd bothered to read a bit more before posting, you'd have known that my problems with nV's drivers have stemmed from the fact that they prevent my monitor's scaler from being able to do its job by sending only 1920*1200 signals out the DVI port. Having drivers that can't scale is one thing. Having drivers that kill off my ability to do so by other means is entirely another, and I most certainly will b!tch about that.

so it's not a driver scaling problem then, you just can't send 4:3 resolutions?

You just told a guy with an NEC 2690 to upgrade his display. Congratulations, you win this week's Irony Award.

from your explanation i understood it as scaling didn't work in the driver. from how you've explained it here it sounds like you simply can't choose 4:3 resolutions, or the driver ignores them.... confusing.

still, it seems strange i have the option in my control panel (not running ntune or anything else, just the driver) and you do not. are you certainl your old drivers were completely removed?

The missing CP option happens in the following that I've tried: 100.95, 101.02, 158.19, 165.01. 100.87 has them working, but they revert to fullscreen override in 24 hours or so making a reboot necessary to get my panel's scaling back.

I did a DC sweep before reinstalling drivers.

I can choose any res, and it does switch, but the driver's scaler blows it up to 1920*1200 and sends it to the monitor that way. That's how it's overriding the HW scaler, because the monitor is receiving a signal @ its native res no matter what.

I'm going back to 100.87 regardless, I noticed that this driver is producing a tear line while watching video with it. I've seen this with some of the other betas, but the 100.87 behave themselves.

Sorry for getting cranky. It's been a crappy day.