Official FW158.19 released

[Painman]

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
That's the flat panel scaling problem that everyone's been complaining about? That there's no scaling option at all despite the fact that the drivers detect an LCD?:Q

How does NVIDIA screw something like that up?

I couldn't live with the stretched lower resolution image if scaling didn't work.

Fortunately for me, I've tried every NVIDIA driver that's been released, Beta and Official and I've never lost the ability to set flat panel scaling. It sounds to me like this is monitor related issue and those of us with Dell LCDs are immune.

It's been a number of things.

97.xx, scaling options present in the menu but completely nonfunctional. All resolutions sent to the LCD pre-scaled @ native res and impossible to un-scale.

100.xx, scaling present and working, but reverts to the above state after 24 hours or so. Reboot necessary to get scaling back.

159.xx, seems to be monitor related as you said. (but still the driver's fault)

In any case, nV has never quite got the scaling right and it's been since Nov. that the G80 has been available. I'd be much happier if they'd just turn the crap off and let me handle it myself - my LCD is more than capable and does a much better job preserving IQ in the process.

*starts digging through registry for possible hack*

 

[gramboh]

If you figure out a registry hack let me know!

With my config, 8800GTS 640MB using DVI, Dell 2407WFP Rev A04, Win XP SP2 and NV 158.19 ForceWare drivers I get the same behaviour as 97.xx - the option appears in the CP to choose the type of scaling, but after I click "apply" on either no scaling/let my monitor handle scaling, it just reverts back to "use nvidia scaling". Basically, no matter what I do, the video card is sending a 1920x1200 image to the monitor, so 4:3 aspect ratio games get stretched and are impossible to play (for FPS games, the mouse movement gets all weird).

I haven't been able to find a single driver that allows scaling on my 8800GTS. I had my 2407 running on my old PC with a 6800GS using some 8x.xx series driver and scaling worked fine! How can they screw it up on their flagship line (where many people will have 24in LCDs on DVI) for 5-6 months! It's insane! I'm not going to switch to VGA and ruin my image quality either, that's just stupid. I want to play older non-ws games at 1600x1200 and it's plain stupid the driver scaling can't be forced off and my 2407 do the work, ugh. I'm emailing Nvidia again about this.

Painmain: Which 100.xx beta driver would you recommend that allows scaling to work properly? I haven't tried them yet, as besides this, the 158.19 is working awesome for me.

Thanks!

 

[gramboh]

Originally posted by: lavaheadache

Originally posted by: chizow
158.19s work great for me. The major annoying bug fixes from the 97s to low 100s are still intact and they fixed a few more this time around. Fixed some transparency and shadow problems with Titan Quest and there's less paging/rubber banding also.

Painman, double check the control panel settings. Flat panel scaling still works fine in these drivers. Change the setting to "Do Not Scale" and set your panel to 1:1. I'm running black borders on all sides at 1680x1050 in both desktop and games. 1600x1200 etc. etc. also work.

For fan control and overclocking, I've used 2 programs since the 100 series were leaked. ATI Tool for OC'ing and RivaTuner for fan control. Annoying, but it works until NV sorts out their issues. Overall happy with these drivers, especially since they're finally on NV's site and don't involve leaked downloads, modded .infs and busted setup .exes.....

I concur, flat panel scaling is fixed.

I'm curious, for you and Madgella, are you using Windows XP or Vista? Also are you using DVI or VGA? If you are running XP and DVI, the only difference on our configs is you have a Rev A03 and I have a Rev A04 2407WFP, while Madgella has a 2407FPW. It seems odd that scaling settings would work for you and not me, I am getting the same behaviour as in 97.xx where you set the scaling option, but then when you re-open the NV control panel, it is set back to "NVidia scaling" and sends 1920x1200 to the LCD no matter what.

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: gramboh
If you figure out a registry hack let me know!

With my config, 8800GTS 640MB using DVI, Dell 2407WFP Rev A04, Win XP SP2 and NV 158.19 ForceWare drivers I get the same behaviour as 97.xx - the option appears in the CP to choose the type of scaling, but after I click "apply" on either no scaling/let my monitor handle scaling, it just reverts back to "use nvidia scaling". Basically, no matter what I do, the video card is sending a 1920x1200 image to the monitor, so 4:3 aspect ratio games get stretched and are impossible to play (for FPS games, the mouse movement gets all weird).

I haven't been able to find a single driver that allows scaling on my 8800GTS. I had my 2407 running on my old PC with a 6800GS using some 8x.xx series driver and scaling worked fine! How can they screw it up on their flagship line (where many people will have 24in LCDs on DVI) for 5-6 months! It's insane! I'm not going to switch to VGA and ruin my image quality either, that's just stupid. I want to play older non-ws games at 1600x1200 and it's plain stupid the driver scaling can't be forced off and my 2407 do the work, ugh. I'm emailing Nvidia again about this.

Painmain: Which 100.xx beta driver would you recommend that allows scaling to work properly? I haven't tried them yet, as besides this, the 158.19 is working awesome for me.

Thanks!

Try the 100.87s from Guru3D, that's what I'm back to. You'll need to install them via Device Manager as the auto installer in the package is broken. Maybe it's been fixed since I DLed them, but FYI just in case.

 

[yhelothar]

Is it me, or are these 158 drivers FAR more buggy than the old ones for vista 32bit!?!

The release notes said they fixed most of the "display driver stopped responding and has recovered" issues, but it's FAR more rampant on the new drivers.
I actually get BSoD's on stalker.
These drivers are a lot more fvcked up for me.

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: Painman

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
That's the flat panel scaling problem that everyone's been complaining about? That there's no scaling option at all despite the fact that the drivers detect an LCD?:Q

How does NVIDIA screw something like that up?

I couldn't live with the stretched lower resolution image if scaling didn't work.

Fortunately for me, I've tried every NVIDIA driver that's been released, Beta and Official and I've never lost the ability to set flat panel scaling. It sounds to me like this is monitor related issue and those of us with Dell LCDs are immune.

It's been a number of things.

97.xx, scaling options present in the menu but completely nonfunctional. All resolutions sent to the LCD pre-scaled @ native res and impossible to un-scale.

100.xx, scaling present and working, but reverts to the above state after 24 hours or so. Reboot necessary to get scaling back.

159.xx, seems to be monitor related as you said. (but still the driver's fault)

In any case, nV has never quite got the scaling right and it's been since Nov. that the G80 has been available. I'd be much happier if they'd just turn the crap off and let me handle it myself - my LCD is more than capable and does a much better job preserving IQ in the process.

*starts digging through registry for possible hack*

Your "chart" is different from my experience. In the 100.xx drivers, for me at least, the options were either grayed out or present but completely nonfunctional. 158.18 actually works just fine for me as far as flat panel scaling. Most likely all these problems were related to how the code detects displays, and certain bugs were fixed for different sets of hardware in different driver revisions.

 

[Woofmeister]

Originally posted by: gramboh
With my config, 8800GTS 640MB using DVI, Dell 2407WFP Rev A04, Win XP SP2 and NV 158.19 ForceWare drivers I get the same behaviour as 97.xx - the option appears in the CP to choose the type of scaling, but after I click "apply" on either no scaling/let my monitor handle scaling, it just reverts back to "use nvidia scaling". Basically, no matter what I do, the video card is sending a 1920x1200 image to the monitor, so 4:3 aspect ratio games get stretched and are impossible to play (for FPS games, the mouse movement gets all weird).

I don't understand. I've got a Dell 2405 and I always check "use NVIDIA scaling." That gives me a 4:3 image with black bars on the side--never a stretched image. It has always done that regardless of the forceware driver version I'm using.

I thought Dell monitors didn't have any built in scaling options so your only choice was to use the NVIDIA drivers to scale.

Sorry if I sound ignorant, I'm just trying to understand the problem other people are experiencing.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Painman
Try the 100.87s from Guru3D, that's what I'm back to. You'll need to install them via Device Manager as the auto installer in the package is broken. Maybe it's been fixed since I DLed them, but FYI just in case.

For some reason I got a BSOD when I tried to install the 100.87 drivers using device manager.

 

[gramboh]

Originally posted by: Woofmeister

I don't understand. I've got a Dell 2405 and I always check "use NVIDIA scaling." That gives me a 4:3 image with black bars on the side--never a stretched image. It has always done that regardless of the forceware driver version I'm using.

I thought Dell monitors didn't have any built in scaling options so your only choice was to use the NVIDIA drivers to scale.

Sorry if I sound ignorant, I'm just trying to understand the problem other people are experiencing.

When I have 'use NVIDIA scaling' checked (the only option, it reverts to this no matter what I choose) I get a 1920x1200 signal sent to the monitor and it's always stretched to fill, I get no black pillar bars on 4:3 games.

I'm not sure about the 2405, but the 2407WFP has built in scaling options such as fill, original aspect ratio and 1:1 (no scaling).

It just really irks me because scaling worked fine with my old 6800GS but now it will not work. I'm going to try the 100.87 drivers tonight and report back.

 

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: gramboh

Originally posted by: lavaheadache

Originally posted by: chizow
158.19s work great for me. The major annoying bug fixes from the 97s to low 100s are still intact and they fixed a few more this time around. Fixed some transparency and shadow problems with Titan Quest and there's less paging/rubber banding also.

Painman, double check the control panel settings. Flat panel scaling still works fine in these drivers. Change the setting to "Do Not Scale" and set your panel to 1:1. I'm running black borders on all sides at 1680x1050 in both desktop and games. 1600x1200 etc. etc. also work.

For fan control and overclocking, I've used 2 programs since the 100 series were leaked. ATI Tool for OC'ing and RivaTuner for fan control. Annoying, but it works until NV sorts out their issues. Overall happy with these drivers, especially since they're finally on NV's site and don't involve leaked downloads, modded .infs and busted setup .exes.....

I concur, flat panel scaling is fixed.

I'm curious, for you and Madgella, are you using Windows XP or Vista? Also are you using DVI or VGA? If you are running XP and DVI, the only difference on our configs is you have a Rev A03 and I have a Rev A04 2407WFP, while Madgella has a 2407FPW. It seems odd that scaling settings would work for you and not me, I am getting the same behaviour as in 97.xx where you set the scaling option, but then when you re-open the NV control panel, it is set back to "NVidia scaling" and sends 1920x1200 to the LCD no matter what.

My rig 1 runs Vista 32bits, using DVI. I was not able to use "no scaling" until the 158.19. Simply it was not working, it would always return to Nvidia scaling.

The 2405 can run 1:1 by its own settings. The 2407 cannot - that's why the driver setting is important.

On the rig2 I have Win XP Pro 32 bits and the issue was identical. "No Scaling" was impossible on the 215TW.

PS: I'm actually running my Rig1 on a 2407 A03, not the 2405 (it's in the box for now).

 

[Pugnate]

Well I've been using the drivers and they fixed a few problems I had been having. Still haven't tried Vegas.

 

[Tarrant64]

Well I had better luck this time with the drivers. I did a system restore to go back after I lost my display on the Viewsonic monitor.

This time instead of downloading direct from Nvidia, I used the Windows Update which fortunately had the updated driver. Using this(install and then shutdown) method, it works great now.

So I am a happy camper. I just bought LOTR Online yesterday too, so I'll be testing things out.

 

[Narse]

Originally posted by: astroidea
Is it me, or are these 158 drivers FAR more buggy than the old ones for vista 32bit!?!

The release notes said they fixed most of the "display driver stopped responding and has recovered" issues, but it's FAR more rampant on the new drivers.
I actually get BSoD's on stalker.
These drivers are a lot more fvcked up for me.

Same for me, I could not even play WoW without the "display driver stopped responding" errors every few min. And I had a hell of a time going back to the 100.65 drivers. So far the 100.65s are the only ones that do not give me this issue.

 

[gramboh]

Originally posted by: Madellga
My rig 1 runs Vista 32bits, using DVI. I was not able to use "no scaling" until the 158.19. Simply it was not working, it would always return to Nvidia scaling.

The 2405 can run 1:1 by its on settings. The 2407 cannot - that's why the driver setting is important.

On the rig2 I have Win XP Pro 32 bits and the issue was identical. "No Scaling" was impossible on the 215TW.

PS: I'm actually running my Rig1 on a 2407 A03, not the 2405 (it's in the box for now).

Just to clarify for other readers, the 2407 Rev A04 can handle 1:1 pixel mapping/scaling internally. I believe your A03 had some issues with certain resolutions (1600x1200 for example) that were fixed in the A04.

I've emailed Nvidia about this problem and also had a moderator on another forum who is in the NV users group contact them. They are aware it still exists and are working on fixing it in the next driver release.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Narse

Originally posted by: astroidea
Is it me, or are these 158 drivers FAR more buggy than the old ones for vista 32bit!?!

The release notes said they fixed most of the "display driver stopped responding and has recovered" issues, but it's FAR more rampant on the new drivers.
I actually get BSoD's on stalker.
These drivers are a lot more fvcked up for me.

Same for me, I could not even play WoW without the "display driver stopped responding" errors every few min. And I had a hell of a time going back to the 100.65 drivers. So far the 100.65s are the only ones that do not give me this issue.

I was experiencing similar problems running WOW with the Vista 32 bit drivers. The game would freeze up to ten seconds sometimes which REALLY sux during Boss fights I rolled back to the drivers that Vista came with and it cleared right up.

Ausm

 

[Jeff7181]

I miss the days of 20 people running every benchmark known to man when a new driver was released. Now it seems people are just slapping each other across the face with their ePeen.

 

[SPARTAN VI]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I miss the days of 20 people running every benchmark known to man when a new driver was released. Now it seems people are just slapping each other across the face with their ePeen.

I was thinking the same thing. I used to run benchmarks with every catalyst driver that came out.. Think the last one I did was 5.9. But now I'm just glad to have a working driver.

 

[the Chase]

Have these drivers closed the performance gap in most games compared to XP? Especially the bf2/2142 engine was/is far slower in Vista. Any improvements with these drivers in Bf2?

 

[Genx87]

Installed these in Vista Business, seem to work fine in WoW.

Ill try FlightsimX, BF2 - Desert Combat, and HL2 this weekend.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: Narse

Originally posted by: astroidea
Is it me, or are these 158 drivers FAR more buggy than the old ones for vista 32bit!?!

The release notes said they fixed most of the "display driver stopped responding and has recovered" issues, but it's FAR more rampant on the new drivers.
I actually get BSoD's on stalker.
These drivers are a lot more fvcked up for me.

Same for me, I could not even play WoW without the "display driver stopped responding" errors every few min. And I had a hell of a time going back to the 100.65 drivers. So far the 100.65s are the only ones that do not give me this issue.

I was experiencing similar problems running WOW with the Vista 32 bit drivers. The game would freeze up to ten seconds sometimes which REALLY sux during Boss fights I rolled back to the drivers that Vista came with and it cleared right up.

Ausm

Driver stopped responding messages can be caused by overclocked video card,symptoms I had were freezing,10 sec delay with sound loop etc....,I had this happen to me in both XP and Vista awhile back ,I reduced my factory overclocked 7800GT card by 10mhz using Gainward ExperTool,guess what?.... no more lockups or driver stoppped responding messages in Vista x64.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: Narse

Originally posted by: astroidea
Is it me, or are these 158 drivers FAR more buggy than the old ones for vista 32bit!?!

The release notes said they fixed most of the "display driver stopped responding and has recovered" issues, but it's FAR more rampant on the new drivers.
I actually get BSoD's on stalker.
These drivers are a lot more fvcked up for me.

Same for me, I could not even play WoW without the "display driver stopped responding" errors every few min. And I had a hell of a time going back to the 100.65 drivers. So far the 100.65s are the only ones that do not give me this issue.

I was experiencing similar problems running WOW with the Vista 32 bit drivers. The game would freeze up to ten seconds sometimes which REALLY sux during Boss fights I rolled back to the drivers that Vista came with and it cleared right up.

Ausm

Driver stopped responding messages can be caused by overclocked video card,symptoms I had were freezing,10 sec delay with sound loop etc....,I had this happen to me in both XP and Vista awhile back ,I reduced my factory overclocked 7800GT card by 10mhz using Gainward ExperTool,guess what?.... no more lockups or driver stoppped responding messages in Vista x64.

Pst I forgot to add I am not overclocking this system.


Ausm