*** Official Gigabyte P965-DS3 Thread ***

[PoopyPants]

Originally posted by: you2
What exactly is a pwm fan and where do you find them ? I tried searching newegg and they didn't seem to have them.

Are both (non cpu) fan headers on this motherboard pwm or just one ?

first of all you have to understand what the PWM are of your board actually is, which you dont. once you understand what the PWM are is you will find what you need and you'll be kicking yourself for not realising it earlier

 

[Wag]

Originally posted by: PoopyPants

Originally posted by: Wag
Burning one disc? How about burning none?

Come on guys, someone running NEC-3500A on their setups please tell me what controller boards or SATA to IDE converters they're using?

what do you mean the 3500 is a IDE drive not a SATA so why do you want a SATA to IDE converter ?

listen go to ebay and get a usb external enclosure that is for CDROM's.
i have 2x 3550a's. both are IDE. one i have IN my dektop the other i use in an external enclosure on my laptop.

how hard is it.. go buy a cdrom external enclosure.

now if your talking IDE to SATA then your in for some trouble very few IDE to SATA converters actually work on these boards. and i wouldnt use one.

You haven't read any of my earlier posts. I can't get my NEC 3550A to work properly on my mobo, and really no PATA controller boards I've tried on this mobo work at all. They're all buggy as hell. I can only burn at 2x on a Promise Ultra 100 TX2.

I bought a Rosewill Silicon Image 0680 based PCI PATA and it will not even boot into windows with a drive attached to the card...either HD or ATAPI. It will make it into XP with no drive on it, but it's worthless that way.

 

[htne]

You should probably read this thread over at club.cdfreaks:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=189127

I'm thinking of buying one myself.

 

[Xellos2099]

ok, i got ym system up and running, waht si the best way to update bios to f6 without using a floppy drive?

 

[Ricochet]

Originally posted by: PoopyPants
also on Oct 13th, the day after the F7 release, gigabyte replaced the F7 with a Rev 2 of the bios, its now dated 10/13/06 they replaced the bios with a new one that implemented a fix for the X-Fi. but then again they said they fixed the X-Fi long ago ..
so believe what you want.

i dont advice flashing with the updated one as i did and i can no longer boot at high FSB like i used to. atleast on a 8x or 7x multi.
i was stable and bootable at 463 x 8 but i can only do 450 x 8 now. i dont know why or what they changed but they did something, and its not reacting well to my system.

**snip**

I don't even know what rev I got of the F7 bios. My experience is similar to yours, though. I have the E6400 running at 415x8 on the F6, but on the F7 it was unstable so I took it down to 410x8. Although stable at this setting, it was running hotter than an equivalent setting in the F6.

I'm still debating whether to do a rollback or not. With the F6 I get a better overclock running slightly cooler, but Windows XP won't detect the soundblaster X-Fi every other boot. On the F7, XP will pick up the X-Fi almost all the time. I say "almost" because it does intermittently not recognize the X-Fi on some boot. What's interesting is that Vista RC2 (dual boot setup) always detect X-Fi with the beta driver no problem with either F6 or F7.

FYI Xellos2099, I don't have a floppy drive either. I boot off of a boot cd to get to the dos command prompt and run the flash directly off the hard drive. You can create a boot cd using Nero: it comes with a dos boot cd image.

 

[PoopyPants]

Originally posted by: Wag

Originally posted by: PoopyPants

Originally posted by: Wag
Burning one disc? How about burning none?

Come on guys, someone running NEC-3500A on their setups please tell me what controller boards or SATA to IDE converters they're using?

what do you mean the 3500 is a IDE drive not a SATA so why do you want a SATA to IDE converter ?

listen go to ebay and get a usb external enclosure that is for CDROM's.
i have 2x 3550a's. both are IDE. one i have IN my dektop the other i use in an external enclosure on my laptop.

how hard is it.. go buy a cdrom external enclosure.

now if your talking IDE to SATA then your in for some trouble very few IDE to SATA converters actually work on these boards. and i wouldnt use one.

You haven't read any of my earlier posts. I can't get my NEC 3550A to work properly on my mobo, and really no PATA controller boards I've tried on this mobo work at all. They're all buggy as hell. I can only burn at 2x on a Promise Ultra 100 TX2.

I bought a Rosewill Silicon Image 0680 based PCI PATA and it will not even boot into windows with a drive attached to the card...either HD or ATAPI. It will make it into XP with no drive on it, but it's worthless that way.

your right i havent read thru nearly 30 pages to see what everyone's issues are.
can you tell me, here or in a PM what the issue is.
as a fellow DS3 and 3550a owner i maybe able to shed some light on things.
I also worked with gigabyte to get the PIO mode issues resolved.

I personally have never had one issue with getting my 3550a or NEC or Lite-On drives working with this board.
But if your also running a slave hard drive with the cdrom this could be the problem.
not all drives like salve or master mode you have to set many of them to cable select.

anyways i wont speculate any further please give me the short version and i'll let you know what i think.

 

[MadAmos]

Xellos, you can also update the Bios in windows using the @bios utility provided on the Gigabyte CD that comes with the Mobo.

Amos

 

[PoopyPants]

you can also use a thumb drive but the bios has to see it as a floppy. the bios name it give it will be such-n-such FD yada yada. the FD standing for Floppy Drive.
but yes you can use the windows flashing tool although i advise anyone to use that as a last resort. It's unsafe

 

[AdamK47]

For those trying to get the X-Fi to work with their DS3 look here.

 

[xboxist]

Originally posted by: MadAmos
Xellos, you can also update the Bios in windows using the @bios utility provided on the Gigabyte CD that comes with the Mobo.

Amos

Could you help me understand how to actually use it though? It brings up a very BIOS-ish screen, but it's quite unclear to me what I'm actually supposed to do. I don't want to mess anything up, you know?

 

[Undersea]

So with the version 7 bios does anyone understand why when changing some settings it warns to use auto on Voltage settings. Does this matter. When on auto it sets the Volts to 1.4 which is more then I'd like it to run.

 

[Xellos2099]

@bios work great! now next question, which jmicron driver for the ide connector seems to the best

 

[PoopyPants]

***regarding the IRQ/X-Fi issue****

And i said to do this months ago when the Issue first came about but did anyone listen to me.. noooooooooo....

if no one has noticed the friggin DS3 shoves almost all the PCI/PCI-E/USB devices all on 2 IRQ's. most of them but not all of them
they are IRQ 18 and 19.

i spoke with gigabyte about this and their response was, and i quote this from memory but know it is a 100% accurate quote.
"Please provide us with proof that having more than 1 device on an IRQ causes issues"

My reply to them was very basic and in your face.
I said ever since the onset of the IRQ system my Intel and Microsoft it has been a known and 100% fact that more than one device on an IRQ can potentially cause issues.
usually this is not the case unless they are key resource hungry components.
Using devices such as Video and lan together is bad, or Sound and Video, that is a 100% no no, you do not do this.
Several usb devices on the same IRQ as video or audio will absolutely cause you issues.
Poor video performance, poor sound performance such as crackling and popping, disappearing devices, Slow usb performance, ie mouse lag, or slow data rates.
Poor networking performance as the other resources are busy dealing with the other device instead of the lan.
For you people to not know this and deny it and then tell me to provide you with proof that is over a decae old and knowledge that you have to have to pass your A+ exam is rediculous, and i cant believe your blatant childish and standoff-ish attitude.


they failed to reply back but i have pictures showing gigabyte trying to openly blatantly and retardedly trying to lie and high issues from their customers.
the stupid tech guys sent me some pictures of the board for an issue i was having where they clearly tried to lie to me about not having the sam eissue and they didnt even have the hardware installed in the pictures, not any of the pictures. and they showed device manager and said "see no issues" and they didnt even have the stupid device installed

this is the type of retarded uneducated and worthless tech support from gigabyte.
i urge anyone and all of you to never call them unless its for an rma.


anyways.

the bios in the DS3/DS4/DQ6 allows you top set the IRQ's to Auto or PCI Device.
By all means try it but you need to understand what your doing.
Make sure you have a free IRQ or less populated one when you do this.
If you put the sound card on a populated or odd or infact wrong IRQ this can throw your entire system for a loop and may cause it to not even boot anymore.
so check your current available IRQ's before doing this.

 

[PoopyPants]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
@bios work great! now next question, which jmicron driver for the ide connector seems to the best

omg just install the driver.

IDE drivers are not like video drivers.

just use the one and only one you see on their website.

 

[Ricochet]

Originally posted by: PoopyPants
***regarding the IRQ/X-Fi issue****

And i said to do this months ago when the Issue first came about but did anyone listen to me.. noooooooooo....

if no one has noticed the friggin DS3 shoves almost all the PCI/PCI-E/USB devices all on 2 IRQ's. most of them but not all of them
they are IRQ 18 and 19.

i spoke with gigabyte about this and their response was, and i quote this from memory but know it is a 100% accurate quote.
"Please provide us with proof that having more than 1 device on an IRQ causes issues"

**snip**

LOL! OMG, is that truly their answer? I bet you most of these tech never even touched Windows 3.1 or even know what an A+ cert is.

I had completely put IRQ assignment in the back of mind, though, since the advent of Windows 95 and the industry move to plug-n-play (or plug-n-pray). That is something I become spoiled with, but honestly that is something consumers shouldn't even have to deal with anymore.

 

[PoopyPants]

no your right but IRQ placement still palce a big part in issues such as video studdering, sound popping, or other issers.
the fact is when you put an large number of resource hogging devices on the same IRQ you can guarentee you will have some sort of issue or performance degragation. its a fact.

yes that was their reply i would never kid about a companies support, DFI's support is still top of the heap. along with OCZ.

check your IRQ's you'll see what i mean. tons of usb stuff on the same irq as your video card or sound card.
sound card and video card on the same irq.
video and SATA controllers ont he same IRQ.
lan and video. video and lan on and on and on..
its insane and all of this is controlled by the bios.

like i said try the option of forcing an IRQ to a pci device but check your IRQ placements first. things could get ugly if you dont.

 

[Xellos2099]

Today i experience a wierd problek today. When the turn on the pc, it didn;t boot, then i turn off psu and try again it boot fine, is this that infamous cold boot problem that a lot of us are hacing?

 

[imaheadcase]

Since I need more than 1 IDE port with this board i took the plunge and ordered a IDE-SATA converter off newegg ($12 and had postive feedback so thought might as well try it). Im going to test it on my OLD system before i upgrade, I let you know if it works as advertised so i can recommend it to those that need them for this board. (I got 2 IDE and a burner). Should be here friday.

I know it does not do all you good who use this board atm, but be nice to know eh?

 

[yepp]

Edited out.

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: PoopyPants
***regarding the IRQ/X-Fi issue****

And i said to do this months ago when the Issue first came about but did anyone listen to me.. noooooooooo....

if no one has noticed the friggin DS3 shoves almost all the PCI/PCI-E/USB devices all on 2 IRQ's. most of them but not all of them
they are IRQ 18 and 19.

i spoke with gigabyte about this and their response was, and i quote this from memory but know it is a 100% accurate quote.
"Please provide us with proof that having more than 1 device on an IRQ causes issues"

My reply to them was very basic and in your face.
I said ever since the onset of the IRQ system my Intel and Microsoft it has been a known and 100% fact that more than one device on an IRQ can potentially cause issues.
usually this is not the case unless they are key resource hungry components.
Using devices such as Video and lan together is bad, or Sound and Video, that is a 100% no no, you do not do this.
Several usb devices on the same IRQ as video or audio will absolutely cause you issues.
Poor video performance, poor sound performance such as crackling and popping, disappearing devices, Slow usb performance, ie mouse lag, or slow data rates.
Poor networking performance as the other resources are busy dealing with the other device instead of the lan.
For you people to not know this and deny it and then tell me to provide you with proof that is over a decae old and knowledge that you have to have to pass your A+ exam is rediculous, and i cant believe your blatant childish and standoff-ish attitude.


they failed to reply back but i have pictures showing gigabyte trying to openly blatantly and retardedly trying to lie and high issues from their customers.
the stupid tech guys sent me some pictures of the board for an issue i was having where they clearly tried to lie to me about not having the sam eissue and they didnt even have the hardware installed in the pictures, not any of the pictures. and they showed device manager and said "see no issues" and they didnt even have the stupid device installed

this is the type of retarded uneducated and worthless tech support from gigabyte.
i urge anyone and all of you to never call them unless its for an rma.


anyways.

the bios in the DS3/DS4/DQ6 allows you top set the IRQ's to Auto or PCI Device.
By all means try it but you need to understand what your doing.
Make sure you have a free IRQ or less populated one when you do this.
If you put the sound card on a populated or odd or infact wrong IRQ this can throw your entire system for a loop and may cause it to not even boot anymore.
so check your current available IRQ's before doing this.

What's wrong with odd IRQs for a sound card? Are you refering to odd as unusual or odd as in odd number? Back in the DOS days I remember a sound card commonly using an IRQ of either 5 or 7. I went into the BIOS and set the IRQ for the PCI slot my X-Fi is on to 7. Booted into Windows and reinstalled the driver. After rebooting I had a working sound card. I've rebooted only three times, but so far it's good.

 

[imported_Airjarhead]

Howdy,
I'm going to take the plunge and go Conroe. I'm going to get a DS3 (or S-3 since they are the same except the caps + Price ), and I had a few questions:

1) I see some people are using a Thermalright Ultra-90 or 120. Which way does the fan face when the whole thing is mounted (I really hope it doesn't face down toward the NB, or to the front toward the RAM)?

2) I've seen a few people post that they had this RAM working with this board, but I wanted to double check to make sure no one had issues. It's Kingston HyperX KHX6000D2K2/2G 2GB Kit DDR2-750:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85016-58

3) I've heard the Northbridge gets really hot. Is there any aftermarket cooler I can put on it? I've got a few Thermalright NB heatsinks (that I used on various Nforce NBs), but the holes look like they are pretty far apart on these 965 boards.


Thanks

 

[PoopyPants]

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: PoopyPants
***regarding the IRQ/X-Fi issue****

And i said to do this months ago when the Issue first came about but did anyone listen to me.. noooooooooo....

if no one has noticed the friggin DS3 shoves almost all the PCI/PCI-E/USB devices all on 2 IRQ's. most of them but not all of them
they are IRQ 18 and 19.

i spoke with gigabyte about this and their response was, and i quote this from memory but know it is a 100% accurate quote.
"Please provide us with proof that having more than 1 device on an IRQ causes issues"

My reply to them was very basic and in your face.
I said ever since the onset of the IRQ system my Intel and Microsoft it has been a known and 100% fact that more than one device on an IRQ can potentially cause issues.
usually this is not the case unless they are key resource hungry components.
Using devices such as Video and lan together is bad, or Sound and Video, that is a 100% no no, you do not do this.
Several usb devices on the same IRQ as video or audio will absolutely cause you issues.
Poor video performance, poor sound performance such as crackling and popping, disappearing devices, Slow usb performance, ie mouse lag, or slow data rates.
Poor networking performance as the other resources are busy dealing with the other device instead of the lan.
For you people to not know this and deny it and then tell me to provide you with proof that is over a decae old and knowledge that you have to have to pass your A+ exam is rediculous, and i cant believe your blatant childish and standoff-ish attitude.


they failed to reply back but i have pictures showing gigabyte trying to openly blatantly and retardedly trying to lie and high issues from their customers.
the stupid tech guys sent me some pictures of the board for an issue i was having where they clearly tried to lie to me about not having the sam eissue and they didnt even have the hardware installed in the pictures, not any of the pictures. and they showed device manager and said "see no issues" and they didnt even have the stupid device installed

this is the type of retarded uneducated and worthless tech support from gigabyte.
i urge anyone and all of you to never call them unless its for an rma.


anyways.

the bios in the DS3/DS4/DQ6 allows you top set the IRQ's to Auto or PCI Device.
By all means try it but you need to understand what your doing.
Make sure you have a free IRQ or less populated one when you do this.
If you put the sound card on a populated or odd or infact wrong IRQ this can throw your entire system for a loop and may cause it to not even boot anymore.
so check your current available IRQ's before doing this.

What's wrong with odd IRQs for a sound card? Are you refering to odd as unusual or odd as in odd number? Back in the DOS days I remember a sound card commonly using an IRQ of either 5 or 7. I went into the BIOS and set the IRQ for the PCI slot my X-Fi is on to 7. Booted into Windows and reinstalled the driver. After rebooting I had a working sound card. I've rebooted only three times, but so far it's good.

my point is, as it sounds like from your comments you been around in the same days i have been, irq's cant be overloaded, no matter it its windows 98 or XP, XP can manage them better and they wont react as badly as th eold os's but still you cant shove resource hungry hardware all on teh same IRQ. it can and will cause issues. even if its simply performance issues you just need to have better IRQ placement.
That is the main reason why ACPI expanded the IRQ list to 27 (i think it is 27 or is it 25, i forget.) hardware was getting too crowded, and issues started arrising)
So now you have gigabyte who takes almost all of the main components of your PC and shovbes them all on IRQ's 18 and 19. wtf do they expect.

my comment of knowing which IRQ you are reserving is a true statement.
Dont take the same IRQ that your realtime clock is sitting on and put it to something.
very specific hardware uses the same IRQ almost all the time, and if you use that IRQ for something else, well you get the idea.

i simply stated and stand by my previous statement.
check your IRQ list before you go reserving one. just make sure its not overloaded.
not only that but if you, say reserve IRQ 14, and 14 has some major components on it, they will be forced to another IRQ and if another IRQ isnt free or if windows known not to use that other IRQ, then what is going to happen ? its going to get put on another over populated IRQ or not put on an IRQ at all and you will get BSOD or non booting issues.

alot of scenerios can take place so just look before you leap.

if you guys try this and it actually works.... please report it .. people need to know that this fix actually works!

 

[PoopyPants]

Originally posted by: Airjarhead
Howdy,
I'm going to take the plunge and go Conroe. I'm going to get a DS3 (or S-3 since they are the same except the caps + Price ), and I had a few questions:

1) I see some people are using a Thermalright Ultra-90 or 120. Which way does the fan face when the whole thing is mounted (I really hope it doesn't face down toward the NB, or to the front toward the RAM)?

2) I've seen a few people post that they had this RAM working with this board, but I wanted to double check to make sure no one had issues. It's Kingston HyperX KHX6000D2K2/2G 2GB Kit DDR2-750:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85016-58

3) I've heard the Northbridge gets really hot. Is there any aftermarket cooler I can put on it? I've got a few Thermalright NB heatsinks (that I used on various Nforce NBs), but the holes look like they are pretty far apart on these 965 boards.


Thanks

i went to SVC.com and got a couple of the twinkle star chipset coolers. those are the ones everyone uses on the DFI boards. they work great and even at 1.62v my northbridge still never gets above 45c. (yes i did the NB pencil mod.)
alternately just hotglue a 50mm fan to the top of the northbridge. you wont ever see above 45c with that. and many times much lower but that depends on the air flow of your case.

 

[PoopyPants]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Today i experience a wierd problek today. When the turn on the pc, it didn;t boot, then i turn off psu and try again it boot fine, is this that infamous cold boot problem that a lot of us are hacing?

yes that is the issue everyone is talking about.

the reason it does that is because you have it overclocked too far and you need to increase the vdimm or vcore,, OR... you just have the FSB too high and the system cant handle it.
its almost always 1 of those things.

you can try increasing the (g)mch also.

also be sure to lock the pci-e freq at 100mhz. you can try 105 and 110mhz also for better FSB overclocking.

 

[imported_Airjarhead]

Originally posted by: PoopyPants

i went to SVC.com and got a couple of the twinkle star chipset coolers. those are the ones everyone uses on the DFI boards. they work great and even at 1.62v my northbridge still never gets above 45c. (yes i did the NB pencil mod.)
alternately just hotglue a 50mm fan to the top of the northbridge. you wont ever see above 45c with that. and many times much lower but that depends on the air flow of your case.

Thanks for the quick reply poopy. So a standard NB cooler fits with no mods?