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Newark

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Haven't OC'd my 6600 yet, but during prep I found some temp variations with different programs. Which do I believe?

EasyTune & Smartfan 32 Idle - 38 Load
CoreTemp 40 Idle 48-50 Load

Office is ~70deg.
 

legendma

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Originally posted by: Newark
Haven't OC'd my 6600 yet, but during prep I found some temp variations with different programs. Which do I believe?

EasyTune & Smartfan 32 Idle - 38 Load
CoreTemp 40 Idle 48-50 Load

Office is ~70deg.

CoreTemp is the one to believe as it reads the true temp of the core while EasyTune & Smartfan just read the temp outside of the core. My Temps using a E6400@3.3Ghz 1.35v with CoreTemp are 42C Idle, 55C Load.
 

Wag

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I also haven't overclocked my E6600 yet(much) and have to say I really don't know quite what I'm doing with the S3.

Going from AMD to Intel is relatively complicated. AMD's bios' had relatively few settings compared to this one.
 

sethhobrin

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Is anyone having the follsowing problem on the DS3 or heard of anyone who is??? I am pulling my hair out right now.

E6400
DS3
GSKILL HZ memory
7950GX2
XB XFI FATality
OCZ 600watt GameXtreme

I have tried F5,F6,F7 bios and I am using the most recent 91.47 nvidia drivers.

I am having the following issues:

1) During a cold boot up the system will hard freeze during the windows xp splash screen with the progress bar. I am only able to boot up from a cold start successfully about 1:3 or 1:2 times.

2) Immediately after the windows xp splash screen with the progress bar dissappears the monintor always goes in to sleep mode for about 5-10 seconds before loading windows graphics. From my understanding this is normal with the 7950gx2. HOWEVER, sometimes it will never wake up from sleep mode or it will wake up and just display a black screen causing me to have to hard reset the system.

3)Very seldomly but sometimes I get graphical color scrambles on the BIOS boot screen. If I quick hit control alt delete to do a reset it cleans up immediately.

These issues are driving me nuts and I am not able to overclock or this all gets much worse. I have these issues at stock speeds and automatic voltage as well as normal voltage.

I have done fresh xp installations, upgraded all drivers, changed bioses. Anyone having these issues or know how to resolve?
 

koitsu

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Originally posted by: PoopyPants
***regarding the IRQ/X-Fi issue****

if no one has noticed the friggin DS3 shoves almost all the PCI/PCI-E/USB devices all on 2 IRQ's. most of them but not all of them
they are IRQ 18 and 19.

Which is bad design. The APIC (not ACPI) exists solely to solve this problem. For some particular reason, Gigabyte chooses to pre-assign all of the devices on the bus to a couple set of IRQs (in my case, not two; more like three or four). APICs specifically address this problem by increasing the IRQ range from 0-15 to 0-31. It becomes even more complex when you add SMP into the mix.

It's important to note that users **should not** go off of what appears on the text-mode BIOS screen. All assignments shown there are not using the APIC; they're using classic IRQ routing (0-15). The only way to determine what

Gigabyte, please do not make me go looking at your RSDT to see what craziness you've implemented. (For folks reading: this is something that can be completely 100% fixed in a BIOS upgrade. The BIOS is what sets up the RSDT, and it's up to Gigabyte to address stuff like this).

Either way, I've been wondering about the problem you've mentioned, because I've been trying to figure out for weeks now why so many different PCI and PCI-E devices appear to be sharing IRQs on a system with not only an APIC (which is implemented on all systems these days, even uniprocessor ones), but of course SMP as well.

If people want a list of what device on the PCI and PCI-E bus is going to what IRQ on my system, I'll be glad to share.

NOTE: I DO NOT own an X-Fi card (at one point I bought one, but returned it promptly when I found there were major driver bugs affecting DirectSound vs. waveOut frequency playback differences. I can provide an mp3 if someone wants it. AFAIK Creative has ignored this issue for a few years now), but do own an Audigy 2 ZS.

i spoke with gigabyte about this and their response was, and i quote this from memory but know it is a 100% accurate quote.
"Please provide us with proof that having more than 1 device on an IRQ causes issues"

Who at Gigabyte did you speak to? Was it their Support Techs via phone and/or Email? If so, ignore them. They're fantastic in regards to simple support issues (i.e. things all of us here on these forums can diagnose), but anything lower level and they have no idea.

Either way, whoever said that is downright wrong. Yes, it does cause issues. IRQ routing is VERY important on systems, and a properly configured APIC is what ultimately makes the difference. Gigabyte, are you listening? This is an Intel chipset board, not a VIA board. IRQ problems should not exist here.

the bios in the DS3/DS4/DQ6 allows you top set the IRQ's to Auto or PCI Device.
By all means try it but you need to understand what your doing.
Make sure you have a free IRQ or less populated one when you do this.
If you put the sound card on a populated or odd or infact wrong IRQ this can throw your entire system for a loop and may cause it to not even boot anymore.
so check your current available IRQ's before doing this.

And ultimately this doesn't matter -- the APIC should be doing all of this properly. What you've mentioned here is a god-awful workaround for something that users shouldn't be tinkering with anyways. (If you want my opinion, present-day BIOSes should simply remove the ability for users to pick IRQs ""per slot"" (actually per interrupt level), and instead just do APIC configuration properly. This is something Intel motherboards have down flawlessly...)
 

koitsu

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Originally posted by: Undersea
The Bios updates so far have been great for OCing and the 1.8v bug. I'm sure they will correct all in time.

EDIT: Ah ha. The details about the "1.8V bug" are mentioned in Undersea's review of the DS3's BIOS. Hehehehe...

For those wanting details: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2854

(I'll point out that I'm using Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400 DDR2-800 (v5.1 I believe; I can check the pair if someone wants the exact version) without any issues, going purely off of the SPD timings. As mentioned in my previous posts, memtest86 for numerous hours without a single problem. Been this way since BIOS F4 and on (F4 came with the board). I'm running F7 with no memory issues as far as I know. (Regarding the issue I'm about to mention: I have tried setting the RAM voltage in the BIOS to +0.1V (that is 1.9V) and it did not solve the random-crash-only-when-gaming issue either...)

However, I still do suffer from the random-lock-up-but-only-when-gaming problem. Readers may remember me ranting about some CPU thermal features in the BIOS causing this, which turned out to be a red herring. I am STILL trying to figure out what's causing it by replacing hardware one piece at a time. It's taking FOREVER, and costing me a buttload of cash (15-20% restocking fees everywhere, ARGH!), plus a waste of time (I've gotten bad replacement motherboards and a bad video card one already).

Crap like this is why I'm seriously considering the US$1999 MacBook Pro that's using the Core 2 Duo (released a couple days ago). Not that Macs are flawless, but I simply do not want to deal with these kinds-of jerk-off bugs. It's 2006, not 1992.)
 

koitsu

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Originally posted by: Newark
Haven't OC'd my 6600 yet, but during prep I found some temp variations with different programs. Which do I believe?

EasyTune & Smartfan 32 Idle - 38 Load
CoreTemp 40 Idle 48-50 Load

Office is ~70deg.

Believe the following apps only: RMClock 2.2 RC1 (or later) and CoreTemp. All other apps do not monitor actual core temperature, but external system temperature.

NOTE: I've seen temperature differences between RMClock and CoreTemp. Up until about 3 minutes ago, I could never figure out why. After reading CoreTemp's ChangeLog, the explanation is provided -- he was doing temperature calculation wrong, same with VID. *sigh* Don't people *test* their software before releasing it? Anyways, I was using a beta release that was mentioned on forums (a release between 0.92 and 0.93). Here's the link to the ChangeLog: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/CoreTemp/history.html

FWIW, my E6600 system (B2 revision CPU), using the stock Intel sink/fan:

RMClock: CPU #0: 47.0C (with 1C delta/variation)
RMClock: CPU #1: 46.0C (with no delta/variation)

CoreTemp: CPU #0: 47C (with 1C delta/variation)
CoreTemp: CPU #1: 47C (with no delta/variation)

System temperature is probably around 36C (last time I was in the BIOS I remember it being around that). I run my system "kinda hot" due to my front and rear fans blowing at ~1200rpm. I prefer quiet hardware (if my system runs 2-3C hotter because of that, fine by me).

I'll also add that the CPU fan hovers around 1100-1200rpm tops during normal usage, and around 1400rpm during gaming. This beats the pants off of any system I've dealt with since the days of the what-the-hell-do-you-need-a-heatsink-for 486.
 

AdamK47

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Here's something odd I've encountered, but should be a huge benefit to those who are having trouble obtaining high memory speeds.

When I first updated to the beta BIOS F8a I previously had the F5 BIOS. Upon rebooting with the new F8a BIOS flashed I went into the BIOS setup. I set everything up as I normally do, but instead of using the default 2.0 memory multiplier I used the 2.5 multiplier. This is on my usual 400MHz bus speed, so I would get a 500MHz (1000 DDR) memory speed. This had never worked with any other BIOS revision so I was expecting the system to keep cycling power until it reverted to a stable speed. To my suprise the system actually booted with the higher memory speed! I was a bit sceptical so I ran dual Prime95. It passed for an hour while I was doing other things on the system. I rebooted to try out other settings, but for some strange reason the system would no longer boot with the memory at 1000. Even at the same settings I used right after flashing the BIOS. Some hidden setting must have changed while messing with other settings in the BIOS. I revered to my old 2.0 400MHz memory speed and didn't thing about it again until today. I flashed the BIOS back to F5 and then to F8a again. Went into the BIOS, set the usual settings, and set the memory to 2.5. The system amazingly posted without hitch and booted flawlessly into Windows! I'm not going back into the BIOS to make any changes for fear that the same hidden settings gets changed. I'm typing this message right now at 500MHz memory and dual Prime95 in the background.

Sorry for the long post. I hope this helps others.

Edit with more info: I flashed my BIOS the proper way with a floppy drive and a DOS boot disk. I did not go into the F5 BIOS before hand to set all BIOS settings to default. When I went into the new F8a BIOS I set my timings to 5-5-5-15. My memory is Patriot PC6400 4-4-4-12. I haven't tried lower timings or higher speeds since I don't want any hidden setting to get messed up again.
 

AdamK47

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Well, I tried to power the system down complely to do a cold boot. The system wouldn't post until it reverted to a stable speed. I went into the BIOS and changed the speed back to where I had it including the 2.5 memory multiplier. The system booted right up flawlessly. I really hate this damn motherboard.
 

koitsu

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Something for other DS3 owners:

Can some (all?) of you check your Windows Event Log (Administrative Tools -> Event Log), under System events, and see if you've received any Error conditions during heavy interrupt usage (i.e. heavy audio + video (gaming), heavy disk I/O, etc.)?

The reason I ask:

I've been playing a couple different 3D games tonight, and every so often, I've heard what sounds like a "click" coming from the inside of my system, then a brief system stall (1 second tops), then the system would resume operation.

Now, the first thing I'd assume is that it's a hard disk problem. I checked SMART statistics on the drive itself using smartctl under Cygwin, and found the drive to be in tip-top shape. (The drive is a SATA drive). I also use a SATA DVD drive (Plextor).

I'm well aware of one condition that can cause exactly what I'm seeing: when a bus is held in a suspended state too long (that is, interrupts are disabled on that particular IRQ for a long period of time), drivers in the OS can attempt to force a reset of that bus via the IRQ. This takes awhile to happen, and during that time, the entire system is basically in a degraded or broken state as the OS tries to work around whatever is going on with interrupts. Sometimes this works, other times it doesn't. Under perfect operation (no drive issues, properly implemented interrupt handler, working BIOS, etc.), this should never happen.

I checked the Event Viewer to see if there was anything suspicious. Lo and behold:

The device, \Device\Ide\IdePort1, did not respond within the timeout period.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

This is the port associated with my SATA DVD drive. All of these devices have worked fantastic on my previous system (AMD X2 + nForce 4 Ultra-based), but it's important to remember that the SATA bus in general is probably being held/suspended while the OS tries to reset what it refers to as "IdePort1".

An improper APIC setup in the BIOS, or other IRQ/interrupt problems (such as too many devices sharing one IRQ -- e.g. video + sound + ATA all on the same IRQ) can induce this exact problem.

Upon further investigation, I found the following IRQs layout on my system (BIOS revision F7):

IRQ 00 - System timer
IRQ 04 - COM1 serial
IRQ 04 - DMA controller
IRQ 08 - RTC
IRQ 10 - Intel ICH8 SMBus (PCI ID 283E)
IRQ 16 - Intel ICH8 PCI Express Root Port 1 (PCI ID 283F)
IRQ 16 - Intel P965 PCI Express Root Port (PCI ID 29A1)
IRQ 16 - Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E GigE Ethernet
IRQ 16 - nVidia GeForce 7800 GT
IRQ 16 - Intel ICH8 USB Universal Host controller (PCI ID 2834)
IRQ 17 - Intel ICH8 PCI Express Root Port 1 (PCI ID 2847)
IRQ 18 - OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 controller (Firewire on-board my Audigy 2 ZS)
IRQ 18 - Intel ICH8 USB Universal Host controller (PCI ID 2832)
IRQ 18 - Intel ICH8 USB2 Enhanced Host controller (PCI ID 283A)
IRQ 19 - Intel ICH8 PCI Express Root Port 4 (PCI ID 2845)
IRQ 19 - Intel ICH8 2 port SATA controller (PCI ID 2825) (this is probably IDE/PATA)
IRQ 19 - Intel ICH8 4 port SATA controller (PCI ID 2820)
IRQ 19 - Creative Audigy 2 ZS
IRQ 19 - Intel ICH8 USB Universal Host controller (PCI ID 2831)
IRQ 21 - Intel ICH8 USB Universal Host controller (PCI ID 2835)
IRQ 23 - Intel ICH8 USB Universal Host controller (PCI ID 2830)
IRQ 23 - Intel ICH8 USB2 Enhanced Host controller (PCI ID 2836)

I only have two expansion cards in my system: my VGA card (PCI-E) and my Audigy 2 ZS (PCI). On-board audio and LPT/parallel are disabled in the BIOS.

Now stop for a minute, people, and look at that list. Read it a few times to get an idea of the massive amounts of IRQ sharing that's going on. I'll remind you that APICs provide 32 IRQs total. After all standard system resources and classic ISA legacy crap is excluded, you're left with about 23 IRQs to do whatever you want with. Ideally this means one IRQ per device (or in some cases, sharing an IRQ across the same subsystem; USB shares an IRQ, USB2.0 shares an IRQ, SATA shares an IRQ, etc.).

This leads me to believe that some other claims in this thread about Gigabyte not properly using the APIC, thus resulting in too many multiple devices sharing the same IRQ, is probably the case.

This is seriously jacked, folks. I'm not just grinding an axe either -- this is the sign of a BIOS APIC configuration which is very badly engineered. I'm now thinking that all of my weird problems are due to this, because a bad interrupt handler in the BIOS can cause all of what I've been going through. Maybe I should get myself an actual Intel board...
 

melias

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It was asked earlier if there was a working RAID driver for the JMicro controller for Vista. I just got Vista Beta 2 to install and run on my RAID 0 array using the following driver. R1.17.04.00.exe I found it on the drivers.softpedia.com website. The download extracts a 32bit and 64 bit version. I used the files from the floppy32 folder.
http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/Other-...roller-WHQL-11401-64-bit-version.shtml

I thought I had successfully installed Vista Beta 2 with the XP 32bit driver from Gigabyte's website. All seemed well until the install rebooted. After that Vista would partially load and then reboot. Even safe mode produced the same results.
 

koitsu

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Originally posted by: koitsu
Upon further investigation, I found the following IRQs layout on my system (BIOS revision F7): {snip}

Upgraded to F8A (beta BIOS). First thing I noticed was the lack-of temperature monitoring for the MCH and (G)MCH. Changing Smart Fan from "Auto" to Intel QST addressed that (and also added some sort-of PCI device, which seemed to have an effect on IRQ distribution w/out the APIC (that means in operating systems which cannot utilise an APIC and must rely on the legacy IRQs 0-15, such as DOS). Fans also sound like they're running slower than before, which for me is good, because I prefer quiet .

However, IRQ distribution within operating systems (Windows XP) which utilise the APIC appears the same. So F8A does not address any of the issues myself and others have mentioned about IRQ distribution.

Now about that PCI device: it shows up in Windows as "PCI Simple Communications Controller". Windows has no INF for this, nor does Windows Update. It's an Intel PCI device, since the major PCI ID starts with 0x8086.

Upon looking at Tomshardware forums, I found that the INF for this device is available from Intel, and the software is referred to as the "Intel Management Engine Interface Driver", which appears related to the MCH I mentioned earlier.

The architecture document is here: http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/319969.htm?page=3

And the driver appears to be here: http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts...nldid=10895&agr=n&lang=eng&prdmap=2377

Unpack the ZIP. The INF to use is in the HECI\ directory.

Once the driver is updated... it ends up using IRQ 16. So, add *ANOTHER* device that shares an IRQ with numerous others (that makes 6 devices sharing IRQ 16 on this board).

Just keeping people informed...
 

jondl

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The F8a helped fix my X-Fi problems i was having. I don't know what they did but it works for me. Previously i was using the F7 bios and windows kept 'losing' the drivers for my x-fi. I would install it and after about 30 minutes, the drivers would disappear and windows wouldn't recognize it until i restarted and reinstalled again. I hope the official F8 bios or something else comes along that can help me get past 490fsb
 

PoopyPants

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Originally posted by: koitsu
Originally posted by: koitsu
Upon further investigation, I found the following IRQs layout on my system (BIOS revision F7): {snip}

Upgraded to F8A (beta BIOS). First thing I noticed was the lack-of temperature monitoring for the MCH and (G)MCH. Changing Smart Fan from "Auto" to Intel QST addressed that (and also added some sort-of PCI device, which seemed to have an effect on IRQ distribution w/out the APIC (that means in operating systems which cannot utilise an APIC and must rely on the legacy IRQs 0-15, such as DOS). Fans also sound like they're running slower than before, which for me is good, because I prefer quiet .

However, IRQ distribution within operating systems (Windows XP) which utilise the APIC appears the same. So F8A does not address any of the issues myself and others have mentioned about IRQ distribution.

Now about that PCI device: it shows up in Windows as "PCI Simple Communications Controller". Windows has no INF for this, nor does Windows Update. It's an Intel PCI device, since the major PCI ID starts with 0x8086.

Upon looking at Tomshardware forums, I found that the INF for this device is available from Intel, and the software is referred to as the "Intel Management Engine Interface Driver", which appears related to the MCH I mentioned earlier.

The architecture document is here: http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/319969.htm?page=3

And the driver appears to be here: http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts...nldid=10895&agr=n&lang=eng&prdmap=2377

Unpack the ZIP. The INF to use is in the HECI\ directory.

Once the driver is updated... it ends up using IRQ 16. So, add *ANOTHER* device that shares an IRQ with numerous others (that makes 6 devices sharing IRQ 16 on this board).

Just keeping people informed...



APIC is not required to use all 25 expanded IRQ's


and i have made numerous and very lengthly threads about the IRQ layout of the DS3 baords.

Gigabyte denies any and all issues and even had the balls to confront ME and ask me to provide proof that having more than 1 device per IRQ is bad.

my reply was simple; You have neither the skill nor programming/hardware knowledge to know that putting major devices such as sound and video or lan and video/sound PLUS several USB controllers/devices all on the same IRQ is bad.
you would challenge me to provide proof to you which is common basic knowledge since the days of DOS.

Windows XP eliminated alot of the troubles with IRQ sharing but there still exsists issues when having resource hungry devices like video and lan and sound and usb all on the same IRQ. video/game studdering becomes one issue.
popping, humming and other sound issues is another.
random rebooting, usb speed issues, and a plethora of other issues can and do arrise from piling on multiple hungry devices into the same IRQ.



basically i told them i was appauled at the fact that they are so ignorant that they would deny any wrong doing.

this is the same type of bullshit they gave me when i reported, in the bios's before the F4 bios, your IDE drives were forced into PIO mode and would not run DMA unless you installed the stupid pathetic jmicron drivers, and then they were a SCSI device.
gigabyte denied anything wrong and even openly lied about the issue as they tried to falsify pictures showing its working. but any 3 yr old child could tell the pictures were sad and pathetic.

then with the F4 bios release,, oh my god guess what.. no more PIO mode,, the drives were seen as DMA properly.
and yet they denied anything was wrong.

they have also denied anything wrong with the Micron D9 based ram. which all of us with Micron D9 ram know that the ram isnt stable above 950mhz.
when you can take that sam eram and throw it on a bad axe or P5W DH or P5B Dlx and run the ram past 1100mhz 4-4-4-12.

anyways.. supposedly they have the D9 issue worked out and should be releasing a bios this week sometime.

i wish i could believe it.. but after all the b.s. i dont.. and wont believe it until i see it with my own 2 eyes.
 

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Can anyone who has overclocked their memory on this board post some BIOS stats. As far as what type of RAM you have, and what you have your settings at. Im not sure where to start.........
 

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has anyone else had their on-board sound not work? at first, i assumed it was muted, but when i go to volume control an error box comes up saying "there are no active mixer devices installed.."

what could the problem be?
 

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Hey All,

I'm planning on buying this mobo tommorow along with a 2gig kit of OCZ DDR2 PC2-6400 Gold GX XTC Ram. Does anybody know if there is any problems with it and this board?
 

touc

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I'm in the same position and having read through most of the 29 pages and seen people reporting a wide range of problems (particularly in the last 10 or so) how recommended is this board? I'm not planning on overclocking and my system won't be fancy, I basically just want something that works and isn't going to give me a headache..
 

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Originally posted by: Hardtarget
Hey All,

I'm planning on buying this mobo tommorow along with a 2gig kit of OCZ DDR2 PC2-6400 Gold GX XTC Ram. Does anybody know if there is any problems with it and this board?

have you checked the gigabyte ram compatability list ? probably not
tried contacting them,,, a 10 minute phone call is going to get you the answer a helluva lot quicker then waiting days here
same thing for OCZ call them and talk to them.
 

PoopyPants

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Originally posted by: touc
I'm in the same position and having read through most of the 29 pages and seen people reporting a wide range of problems (particularly in the last 10 or so) how recommended is this board? I'm not planning on overclocking and my system won't be fancy, I basically just want something that works and isn't going to give me a headache..




if your not going to be overclocking then just buy the S3 not the DS3
they are identicle boards and you can even flash the S3 board with the DS3 bios and it works just fine.
just like the Biostar 965Pt baord can be flashed with the 965 Deluxe board bios.
they are the exact same boards, just missing 2 sata ports. thats all.

the S3 and DS3 are identicle with the excepting of a few pieces of hardware on the mobo that make it a slightly weaker overclocker.
 

ronsss

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getting my gig 965p-ds3 this week, with corsair xms 6400 and e6600..will post update to my initial observations...i really wanted the 975x board, but not the price...and if you are not running a pair of video adapters, the gig ga-965p - ds3 as about as fast as the 975x.
 

PoopyPants

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not sure where your from Ronsss but you should be getting a new Rev c2 chipset if your in the USA.
i understand that newegg is shipping C2 mobo's so.. bear that i mind as it should have improved overclockability.
still no fix for the D9 ram issues, and frankly i can believe that gigabyte is still producing boards that REFUSE to run the ram any where near as close as every other board on the market can.

frankly its ,,, hell i dont have a word for it, i have never in all my time seen a company just flat out refuse to fix something THEY themselves broke.
and yes just so you know they broke it.
no other 965 board on the market has the issues with the D9 ram like the gigabyte baords.
(although the biostar 965PT that i tested did too but that is one big pile of crap board so i can see why it dont work lol)
 
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