*Official* Gran Turismo 5 Thread - One thread to rule them all

[purbeast0]

Lot of patches coming out folks, take a deep breath

All that stuff is easily fixable, including the AI.

orly?

 

[Anteaus]

Lot of patches coming out folks, take a deep breath

All that stuff is easily fixable, including the AI.

This is a bad premise. Games are judged on their release versions. If problems are so easily solved with a patch, then there is absolutely no excuse of why they weren't in the release version. Especially given the fact that this game had such a long develop time and given that many of the left out or broken features are considered core to gameplay, such as brake upgrades and fully adjustable transmissions. I'm sure this stuff will be remedied through patches, after all they still need to move units for xmas, but its still no excuse.

 

[blurredvision]

Your dreaming if you think AI patches will significantly increase the quality of the AI. Patches may help slightly, or resolve issues where it is broken, but I sincerely doubt a huge lift will be found here.

I agree, especially considering that head tracking was left out of GT Life mode due to memory constraints. I obviously have no idea how much memory head tracking compares to more advanced AI, but it obviously shows that memory was already at an extreme premium to where they cut out features that were announced a long time ago. Extra AI routines might even be more taxing.

 

[finbarqs]

I hear AI significantly improves after level 60.

 

[Sadaiyappan]

Level 60? How do you people have THIS much time to game? Your computer people all day and yet you still beat games way faster then I do.

 

[jaha2000]

Is there anyway to speed up time in B-spec mode?

 

[KaOTiK]

Level 60? How do you people have THIS much time to game? Your computer people all day and yet you still beat games way faster then I do.

Yeah, that is a bit ridiculous, hell I didn't even know there is a lvl 60.

I'm nearly 20 and I thought I've put a fair amount of time into the game, damn

 

[destrekor]

Level 60? How do you people have THIS much time to game? Your computer people all day and yet you still beat games way faster then I do.

Yeah, that is a bit ridiculous, hell I didn't even know there is a lvl 60.

I'm nearly 20 and I thought I've put a fair amount of time into the game, damn

I have that a feeling that some sarcasm meter's might be in need of servicing.

 

[blurredvision]

Is there anyway to speed up time in B-spec mode?

No. Remote b-spec control from a browser is coming in December though, according to gran-turismo.com. Earn some cash while at work.

 

[magomago]

What is the best wheel out there? I want to use it to drive a stick. I already drive one in real life, butI'm looking for a wheel that actually imitates what it is really like to adrive a stick - most of what i've seen has felt way to plasticky and dry. It is why i've stayed away from wheels before because it never felt good enogh, always felt like a sub par experience

 

[zerocool84]

What is the best wheel out there? I want to use it to drive a stick. I already drive one in real life, butI'm looking for a wheel that actually imitates what it is really like to adrive a stick - most of what i've seen has felt way to plasticky and dry. It is why i've stayed away from wheels before because it never felt good enogh, always felt like a sub par experience

Best wheel is G27. Nothing better. It's $300 though which is a ton of dough just for a wheel but you said you wanted the best and it's the best. Be prepared to overpay or wait a long time for it as they've sold out in a lot of places cus of GT5 release.

 

[Tristicus]

What is the best wheel out there? I want to use it to drive a stick. I already drive one in real life, butI'm looking for a wheel that actually imitates what it is really like to adrive a stick - most of what i've seen has felt way to plasticky and dry. It is why i've stayed away from wheels before because it never felt good enogh, always felt like a sub par experience

Try a G27.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I agree, especially considering that head tracking was left out of GT Life mode due to memory constraints. I obviously have no idea how much memory head tracking compares to more advanced AI, but it obviously shows that memory was already at an extreme premium to where they cut out features that were announced a long time ago. Extra AI routines might even be more taxing.

That was the point I was going to make.

Honestly, I think they put too much effort into the graphics, and really, while it definitely shows, at the same time, there's small things that show that there's a long way to go even there, so you kinda wish maybe they'd have compromised more and put more effort into the AI, or just done a better balance of resource allocation.

GT is one of those series that makes you go, let me see it several generations from now.

I hate to say it, but I think we're definitely starting to see the shortcomings of Polyphony Digital. They do some things very well, but things have gotten too much for their team to handle, let alone in a timely manner.

Based on the early development and what they said they were going for, I wonder if they weren't fairly far along in doing that, but after the resounding negative backlash basically started over and went for a something that resembled the earlier GT games. That, or maybe its just Halo 2 syndrome, where they realize the system just plain doesn't have the resources to implement their ideas. You end up with something that is good in its own right, but doesn't live up to what they had envisioned.

 

[fatpat268]

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never played forza so i'll have to take your word for it.

load times are very annoying, but at least it's not gameplay related.

I know you probably don't have an Xbox 360, but you (anyone, actually, who likes GT5) owe it to yourself to find a way to play Forza 3.

I myself haven't played Forza 3 since its launch. I played it and quickly discarded. Decided to buy it again after playing GT5 for a while (I'd say I put in 15-20 hours in GT5), and Forza 3 is such a refreshing experience. Menus are fast, there's a plethora of upgrade options (different types of superchargers, tire widths, engine swaps etc), and basically everything that feels missing from GT5. Not only that, the career mode has a TON of races to race compared to GT.

I have to say, in the short time that I got reacquainted with Forza 3, it's like I rediscovered a long lost love.

I'm not here to bash GT5, but for those who have a 360 and haven't played (ignored or forgotten) Forza 3, they should definitely try it out.

 

[zerocool84]

I know you probably don't have an Xbox 360, but you (anyone, actually, who likes GT5) owe it to yourself to find a way to play Forza 3.

I myself haven't played Forza 3 since its launch. I played it and quickly discarded. Decided to buy it again after playing GT5 for a while (I'd say I put in 15-20 hours in GT5), and Forza 3 is such a refreshing experience. Menus are fast, there's a plethora of upgrade options (different types of superchargers, tire widths, engine swaps etc), and basically everything that feels missing from GT5. Not only that, the career mode has a TON of races to race compared to GT.

I have to say, in the short time that I got reacquainted with Forza 3, it's like I rediscovered a long lost love.

I'm not here to bash GT5, but for those who have a 360 and haven't played (ignored or forgotten) Forza 3, they should definitely try it out.

I had a 360 and loved Forza 3. The amount of customizations you can do to ALL the cars is awesome and yes the menu's feel like a night and day difference between the two. I haven't played Forza 3 in over a year but from what I remember the handling physics of cars feels better in GT5.

It's just really sad to me, all the time they worked on GT5 and we're all basically beta testers for it. It just feels too unfinished. Sure they'll update problems on it to fix them but it shouldn't be that way at all. We shouldn't have to wait for it to be a perfect game. They had more than enough time to do it and they could have held off on it even longer to get it finished but they didn't. Lots of us really are disappointed in the game. There's too many negatives to this game to overcome the positives.

 

[blurredvision]

There's too many negatives to this game to overcome the positives.

I could not disagree with this more. Some of you are focusing too much on what you think should be in the game and not what's there right now. Sure, we can all point out a few flaws, but you guys act like this game is just pure shit when it's not. I just can't understand the hate some of you are giving it.

 

[ayabe]

One thing Forza 3 has on this is the rating system for the cars, it's not perfect but it generally does a good job of achieving performance parity.

I've yet to have a single good race in any of the Beginner or Amateur events, I either win by 40+ seconds or have zero chance right from the start.

The Challenges are tedious but satisfying to complete. Took me probably 100 tries to beat the first 'Ring challenge and when I did I beat it by half a second. Felt awesome until I realized that there were 3 more sections + the whole damn thing...in the "beginner" challenge?

To me, the core of the game should be the racing events and they're just not as fun as they should be.

 

[fatpat268]

I could not disagree with this more. Some of you are focusing too much on what you think should be in the game and not what's there right now. Sure, we can all point out a few flaws, but you guys act like this game is just pure shit when it's not. I just can't understand the hate some of you are giving it.

I'm hating on the game because it's too tedious to do anything. Buying a single part alone, takes four confirmation screens. Tuning those parts requires you to go to garage, find the car, then go to the tuning screen.

Here's a quote from NeoGAF to illustrate what I mean (it involves B-spec, but the principle is the same):

This is pretty much exactly the sequence I just went through. Just... beyond a joke.

"Ok, so I'll do a bspec race"

*Select BSpec**Loading**Select Level**Select Event*

"So, what do I need to use"

*Select Restrictions**Back*

"Not sure I've got one of those, maybe I won a standard version"

*Select Garage**Standard**Back*

"Nothing there, off to the dealership."

*Home**Loading**Select Dealership**Loading*

"Not sure who sells a car light enough, from the right country etc etc"

*Press**Loading**Back**Press**Loading**Back**Press**Loading*...etc

"Fuck, no premiums, I'll have to go to the used dealership"

*Home**Select User Dealership**Loading*

"Miracle... there's one there, ok let's race!"

*Purchase**Confirm**STUPIDDELIVERYSEQUENCE**Confirm**Loading*
*Select BSpec**Loading**Select Level**Select Event*

"Goddamnit no, I need comfort soft tyres"

*Home**Select Tuning**Loading**Select Tyres**Select Type**Purchase**Confirm**Confirm**Confirm**Back**Home*
*Select BSpec**Loading**Select Level**Select Event**Select Driver**Confirm*

***30 SECONDS OF LOADING***

I swear if the racing wasn't so good I'd have smashed the disc to pieces. It didn't annoy me much to start with but it's REALLY pissing me off now. When I can remember I make sure I write down the tyre type for an event before buying a car... but it still doesn't save much time. Utterly, utterly retarded. Just let me buy cars / tyres / parts at the fucking event screen ffs. Why no searching for cars either? There's 1000 vehicles in the damn game and you didn't think to include a search on the dealerships?

If GT5 has been the only sim racer you played in years, you're probably going to think it's the best thing since sliced bread, but there's not and there's better options out there. I just have nothing but positive to say about Forza 3 because it truly feels like a modern game, whereas GT5 feels like a last gen game with HD graphics and improved physics.

That's the last I'll mention Forza though.

 

[Anteaus]

I could not disagree with this more. Some of you are focusing too much on what you think should be in the game and not what's there right now. Sure, we can all point out a few flaws, but you guys act like this game is just pure shit when it's not. I just can't understand the hate some of you are giving it.

I guess it depends on what you were expecting. The game is marketed as a "racing sim". Part of what divided GT from the rest of the pack was attention to detail and the robust nature of its game engine. While people enjoy all the additional features that came with it, such as numerous cars and modes, it ultimately simplified down to a driving game with tight controls and an attempt to make driving more skill based and less arcadelike.

People would actually prefer less filler if it meant what was included was high fidelity. An example would be games like Sports Car GT and GTR2 on the PC. These games didn't break any records in regards to graphics or girth of content, but they are arguably the finest of those types of games. They are the driving equivilent to FSX and X-plane.

This is what GT5 should have been. You're right in that if you judge GT5 on the sum of its parts, its actually a very good...even great game. When you look at the game in the context of what it was meant to be, it falls short. Sure GT5 is pretty, but if the core game is sacrified to add bells and whistles, then many people feel that GT5 did not meet its own standard set by PD.

The final straw is when they don't even have features that were considered standard for last gen driving sims in regards to brakes, gear ratios, tire air pressure and other tweaks. It sounds stupid, but people actually do like the challenge of working on a setup just to shave a second or two off lap times.

In the long run I'm sure patches will cure some of the discontent, but after 6 years of development either these were blatent oversights or bad design decisions. GT5 is just GT4 with even longer loading times and pretty graphics, especially considering most of the cars are recycled from it.

 

[purbeast0]

with the amount of time that was put into GT PSP, and the end result of all that time put into it, the 'unsatisfying' feeling that many people are having with GT5 should not come as a surprise at all.

 

[blurredvision]

So what you guys are telling me is that you don't want to do a GT5 racing night? I'm not saying the game has its issues, it definitely does. I'm just surprised that it's completely ruining the game for some of you.

Oh well, if you guys decide to quit playing, be sure to send me your nicest cars, horns, and paint chips.

 

[Phobic9]

From reading this thread, it sounds like I should finally buy Forza 3.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

I'm hating on the game because it's too tedious to do anything. Buying a single part alone, takes four confirmation screens. Tuning those parts requires you to go to garage, find the car, then go to the tuning screen.

Here's a quote from NeoGAF to illustrate what I mean (it involves B-spec, but the principle is the same):



If GT5 has been the only sim racer you played in years, you're probably going to think it's the best thing since sliced bread, but there's not and there's better options out there. I just have nothing but positive to say about Forza 3 because it truly feels like a modern game, whereas GT5 feels like a last gen game with HD graphics and improved physics.

That's the last I'll mention Forza though.

that's more of an annoyance rather than a flaw.
a bug or constantly crashing is a flaw.


crap AI = flaw
poor navigation = annoyance
long load times = major annoyance

i will take these annoyances with the better physics and graphics that GT5 offers.

 

[brainhulk]

I love the game. for me it's all about the superior driving experience. and gift me your stuff if you leave.

psn: davinciload

 

[fatpat268]

that's more of an annoyance rather than a flaw.
a bug or constantly crashing is a flaw.


crap AI = flaw
poor navigation = annoyance
long load times = major annoyance

i will take these annoyances with the better physics and graphics that GT5 offers.

There's a ton more flaws that I didn't list.

Yet, I'd still call a poor ui and load times more of a flaw than an annoyance, but that's just me.