OFFICIAL KEPLER "GTX680" Reviews

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RussianSensation

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1GHz + 15% is 1.15GHz.
Have you seen 680 at 1.3GHz somewhere?

That's not how it works. You have Base Clock + GPU Boost on top.

So if it's overclocked to 1110mhz, it can easily hit 1210mhz, if it's overclocked to 1186, it can hit 1277-1304mhz in games, and so on.

^ That's on reference GTX680s. Non-reference 680s with better VRM and power phases may even be able to hit more.

Of course, you can spend $80 more and cross fingers for a 1250mhz 7970. Then HD7970 might actually win.
 
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mak360

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Don`t forget these are mostly cherry picked cards, cant wait to see results for the average card, i think its not going to be soo good, which is why we have the OC feature...we will see soon i suppose
 

krumme

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Well this is just the best news for gamers from nv since 8800, as this will mean future cheap and really fast gfx card for all. Its a good day !

But who is taking all the 28nm capacity? - if its the smarphone users?, then every gamer must agree to kill at least 4. We need it for the 300mm2 dies

Charlies prediction was dead on, especially about the reworked memory controller.
 
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I'm smelling completely unlocked, aftermarket cooled, custom pcb, beefed up vrm's, gtx 680's for $550 coming soon.
 

RussianSensation

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Hmm interesting... how high does the 680 overvolt to at 1186MHz base clock and what voltage was it drawing at 1.2/1.3 GHz?

1.15V @ 1277mhz
on a reference card with reference blower. Now they just need to release Direct CU II, MSI TwinFrozr or Gigabyte Windforce 3X for this chip.

That's lower than HD7970's stock voltage. I am guessing this explains why an 1186mhz GTX680 with GPU boost still consumes less power than an OCed 7970. From what I've seen, 7970s need 1.17-1.20V to reach 1150-1200 and 1.25-1.3V to reach 1250mhz on air.

This is from software, so may not be 100% accurate.
 
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blastingcap

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BallaTheFeared

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Power % seems neat, auto overclocking lol..

Anyways, I'm now reminded of the EVGA precision 3.0 program we saw in the Heaven 3.0 leak from OCN... That showed up the option to increase power to to 50%... Any reviewers actually use that software?
 

Janooo

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That's not how it works. You have Base Clock + GPU Boost on top.

So if it's overclocked to 1110mhz, it can easily hit 1210mhz, if it's overclocked to 1186, it can hit 1277-1304mhz in games, and so on.

^ That's on reference GTX680s. Non-reference 680s with better VRM and power phases may even be able to hit more.

Of course, you can spend $80 more and cross fingers for a 1250mhz 7970. Then HD7970 might actually win.
OK, let me know when you see 1.3GHz 680.
 

bryanW1995

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The way I look at it, HD7950 would need an 800-->1200mhz overclock just to match a stock GTX680. All that for just $50 more (plus all the other benefits with features, EVGA, etc.)? Who is going to buy a $460 HD7950 with non-reference cooler just to overclock it 40% to say look my card is just as fast vs. guaranteed performance out of the box?

It's not a slam dunk because GTX680 should have been a $399 GTX670Ti. The performance delta over the GTX580 is evident that this isn't the real Big K.

500mm^2 GTX685? If GTX685 has 2304 SPs, 384-bit bus and proper DP performance, that's going to make GTX680 and HD7970 look like toys.



I can't believe how much defending on this forum went towards HD7950's $450 pricing, a 14-month older card only 5% faster than a GTX580. After NV lowered GTX580's prices to $360-370, it was already questionable. Finally, GTX680 seals HD7950's fate and echoes what many have been saying all along - HD7950 is just mid-range next generation performance at next generation high-end prices.

They'll call it gtx 780, or, just possibly, gtx 690. But yes, it will probably smoke gtx 680 and 7970 by quite a large amount. 7950 has no chance against gtx 680, no doubt about it, and even 7970 struggles to win in a few (albeit good) games. This looks more like gtx 480 vs 5870 in the performance differences, only without the power/heat/noise BS this time.

No argument here about 7950, I've felt that it was already marginalized by 7870, anyway. 7950 needs a dual bios switch or something to help it stand out imho. Unfortunately, I just read in Ryan Smith's article that gtx 680 availability will be touch/go for a month. Unfortunately, that is going to exert strong upward pressure on the upper and upper/mid segment's pricing. So we should see lowered prices on 7950 and 7970, but it might be a month or two before it happens.
 

Lepton87

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More OC vs OC comparisons: http://vr-zone.com/articles/asus-gtx-680-2gb-overclocking-review-win-some-lose-some/15322-5.html

This is gonna vary from card to card as chip quality differs of course. But at least they compare more than one game. 7970 doesn't look as bad when both cards are going all-out OC. But it's still clearly losing in BF3. Check out the AvP differential though, as that finally pushes the GtX 680 beyond its 2GB VRAM.

TPU also found that 7970 catches up a bit when OC vs OC:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_680/31.html

Doesn't look as bad? It's clearly faster overall than GTX680 and that's at 1080p at more appropriate resolutions for high-end cards the gap will only grow.
 

RussianSensation

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OK, let me know when you see 1.3GHz 680.

Review.

If you are talking about 1.3Ghz Base clock + GPU boost on top? That's >1400mhz on the core. Not sure if serious expecting this from a reference card with 4 power phases an air cooling with 2x6-pin power connectors.

Yes, and it's slower than 1.8GHz 7970.



$500 Reference GTX680 vs. a $600 Lightning card + LN2? For sure, many of us have a friend who knows a friend who works at a factory where we get free lifetime supply of that stuff.
 
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Despoiler

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More OC vs OC comparisons: http://vr-zone.com/articles/asus-gtx-680-2gb-overclocking-review-win-some-lose-some/15322-5.html

This is gonna vary from card to card as chip quality differs of course. But at least they compare more than one game. 7970 doesn't look as bad when both cards are going all-out OC. But it's still clearly losing in BF3. Check out the AvP differential though, as that finally pushes the GtX 680 beyond its 2GB VRAM.

TPU also found that 7970 catches up a bit when OC vs OC:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_680/31.html

1.15V @ 1277mhz
on a reference card with reference blower. That's insane.

That's lower than HD7970's stock voltage. That likely explains why an 1186mhz GTX680 with GPU boost still consumes less power than an OCed 7970. Most 7970s need 1.25-1.3V to reach 1250mhz on air.

This is from software, so may not be 100% accurate.

7970s don't have one stock voltage though. The voltage they run at is based on their ASIC quality. There are actually voltage levels between the ones below. My card is between 80-85% quality and fires up at 1.074.

up to 2F90 (up to 75% quality) - 1.1750V
up to 34D0 (up to 80% quality) - 1.1125V
up to 3820 (up to 85% quality) - 1.0500V
up to 3A90 (up to 90% quality) - 1.0250V"
 

blackened23

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Maybe we should all that a step back and see how this plays out over the next few weeks.



(not a realistic clock speed, but it is over 1.3GHz per the request)

That was done by kingpin with a special modded VRM soldered on the board and a special BIOS. Wizzard is saying that the standard BIOS has a hard GPU boost limit coded in... Did you read the entire article....:thumbsup:
 

bryanW1995

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You know nV has a winner on its hands when people who normally rail against them are posting screenies of them ordering 2.

Kepler is a great chip. I can't wait until we see it at its full potential.

It's all about expectations. They're cheaper/faster/cooler than their competition, and many people (myself obviously included) were quite surprised to see them hanging with and, usually, beating 7970 even at 2560x1600 ultra/high AA settings.

This is a major coup for Nvidia, it makes me wonder if AMD wasn't too conservative with their clocks for 7970.
 

Zebo

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AMD should be lowering prices ASAP before all the high end buyers are satisfied.

$459 is better for the 7970
7950 should cost what a GTX 580 costs since it same speed more or less so $399
7870 remains a joke price compared to $100 cheaper GTX 570 Should be $299
only fair card is 7950 at $250 for now due to it's potentail being basically way underclocked.

Get to it AMD! ( say this as an old fan from way back)
 
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BallaTheFeared

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That was done by kingpin with a special modded VRM soldered on the board and a special BIOS. Wizzard is saying that the standard BIOS has a hard GPU boost limit coded in... Did you read the entire article....:thumbsup:

Did you read his post? He said he wanted to see one, he didn't limit it to LN2 only with 1.8v through a 28nm chip at -280C without any other "crazy" modifications.

Stipulations yo.
 

Janooo

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Review.

If you are talking about 1.3Ghz Base clock + GPU boost on top? That's >1400mhz on the core. Not sure if serious expecting this from a reference card with 4 power phases an air cooling with 2x6-pin power connectors.



$600 Lightning card with LN2? For sure, many of us have a friend who knows a friend who works at a factory where we get free lifetime supply of that stuff.
Even 1.3GHz with boost will be very hard to find.
It seems 680 and 7970 can clock head to head. There is not much difference there.
What's the performance clock for clock?
 

blastingcap

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1.15V @ 1277mhz
on a reference card with reference blower. Now they just need to release Direct CU II, MSI TwinFrozr or Gigabyte Windforce 3X for this chip.

That's lower than HD7970's stock voltage. I am guessing this explains why an 1186mhz GTX680 with GPU boost still consumes less power than an OCed 7970. From what I've seen, 7970s need 1.17-1.20V to reach 1150-1200 and 1.25-1.3V to reach 1250mhz on air.

This is from software, so may not be 100% accurate.

I saw your last sentence got added. And you're right, it is not accurate. Check this table out: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-review/4

So the power efficiency is from other things like die size, architecture, -1 GB VRAM, apparently.
 
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BallaTheFeared

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What's the performance clock for clock?

Why does that matter? At 1125Mhz for the 7970 vs 1187Mhz for the 680 the 680 is still overall faster while using 100 watts less and still doesn't sound like a jet engine taking off 16 inches away from your ear like the 7970 does. :thumbsup:
 
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