Yea, I agree on everything else. I just know my card has more in it and being locked out sucks hardcore
I stand corrected in that regard. The 132% TDP hard ceiling is a drawback, hopefully custom cards will fix that. Specifically what I was referring to though is performance, performance per mm^2, performance per watt, perf per $$, die size, and straight up price. That doesn't really leave much room left for the hd7970, and at $550 it's just a dumb buy when compared to the gtx680.
Yea, I agree on everything else. I just know my card has more in it and being locked out sucks hardcore
Sad day when people are complaining about a 1250 core celing on a video card
there are at least 3 other models with 6/8 pin that have been reviewed with even more on the way.Nice. Thats the first 680 without the 2x 6 pin limitation, no? Windforce cooler is really good as well.
It's not that it can't overclock well (7970), it's the same as the 470 in that reguard.
The problem is the power draw skyrockets, AMD already did Netburst 2.0, no reason to do Fermi power levels at stock (though still reasonably close) except without actually enjoying the performance advantages that Fermi had :hmm:
It's one thing to say you don't care about power when you're blazing everything before you, it's another to be considered comparable while using 33% more power for about the same performance.
- 680 @1,006+
- got to love that little + sign.
Are you sure you want to stick with the above statement?
Yes because I made it with knowledge that you first need to OC the 7970 for them to really even be comparable.
The 7970 gobbles up wattage like nobodies business when you oc/ov, unlike the 680 with it's inherited "limitations".
That says a lot about 28nm, we're hitting a wall at ~1.3ghz.
Exactly. You can see the hypocrisy of certain posters in this thread. When the GTX 480 was 10% faster than a 5870 but used 50% more power, power consumption and performance per watt didn't matter because it was faster. Now that nvidia finally has a card that isn't a performance/watt joke, suddenly power consumption is everything. Also note that a large part of the small wattage difference between the cards comes from the 7970 having more vRAM on board.Huh? Not according to Guru3d. They measured power consumption of the MSI Lightning at 203W and the 680 at 173W. That would be 17% more power consumption or about 1/2 of what you claim.
According to Legit Reviews, they measured 335W for the MSI 7970 and 317W for the 680. A difference of less than 6%. Even accounting for just the graphics cards themselves, the difference is still only 10%.
[H] measured an average power consumption across five games and the 680 was 336W and the stock 7970 was 348W. In their review of the Lightning 7970 it actually used slightly less power consumption than a stock 7970. Again the difference between the Lightning 7970 and the 680 was 9W. Or in other words ~5% difference accounting for just the graphics cards. Only 2.6% difference if you look at total system draw.
The MSI Lightning and the GTX 680 are approximately equal to each other performance wise so they make a good comparison.
Are you sure you want to stick with the above statement?
Exactly. You can see the hypocrisy of certain posters in this thread. When the GTX 480 was 10% faster than a 5870 but used 50% more power, power consumption and performance per watt didn't matter because it was faster. Now that nvidia finally has a card that isn't a performance/watt joke, suddenly power consumption is everything. Also note that a large part of the small wattage difference between the cards comes from the 7970 having more vRAM on board.
Let me clear something up for you without calling you a hypocrite.
Your quote above is from an AMD centric perspective.
Below is a neutral perspective:
"When the GTX 480 was 10% faster than a 5870 but used 50% more power consumption and performance per watt was everything because AMD was slower. Now that nvidia finally has a card that isn't a performance/watt joke, suddenly power consumption is nothing. Also note that a large part of the small wattage difference between the cards comes from the 7970 having more vRAM on board.
I myself never claimed power consumption was important to me. Neither was heat. Noise mattered a little. The end of the day, performance is king.
The fun we are all having, MrK6, is beholding the radical change in opinion now that AMD no longer has the more power efficient, smaller die, solution that for years and years AMD extremists have been harping on. As Balla said, they are even going as far as to rationalize more power consumption for less performance.
So now please tell me where the hypocrisy really exists. We can see the daft arguments surfacing constantly and it is indeed gratifying to know what's what.
Well said, Groove. I'm just waiting for a former moderator to finally be banned for his trolling, fall from grace indeed. :thumbsup:Who is we exactly ?
I've seen most ever regular poster here, regardless of preference, state what is what on the 680 and 7970 and see the value of the 680 for what it is from the good reviews on it.
Away from that, I see a very small and unfortunate minority who are just here to troll and tap-dance. Maybe three or four unfortunate posters who don't even own either card but are so emotionally invested they have to blow their premature load all over the forum incessantly.
It brings the whole forum down. There is a very small, fringe and marginalized website where this community should stick to. Better to keep the pollution and rabbling insanity there. It's just not needed, wanted or deserving of being present here at AT.
Really the 'fun' is trolling . If trolling is fun then have it.
The power consumption numbers I think are only for the 7970 at stock. Just in my own experience, overclocking the 7970 to the 1300MHz+ range used about another 125W over stock. That said, it still seems to come down to the game used in comparison. Interesting that the 7970 takes over the 680 in Batman: AC though.http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/04/nvidia_kepler_geforce_gtx_680_overclocking_review/5
Looks like it's a wash between a 680 and 7970 for overclockers. Even in power consumption.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/04/nvidia_kepler_geforce_gtx_680_overclocking_review/5
Looks like it's a wash between a 680 and 7970 for overclockers. Even in power consumption.
With custom GTX 680 cards coming out with 6+8-pin connectors or even 8+8-pin, the wall should be taken down as GTX 680's are finally allowed as much juice as the 7970 that is already maxed-out as far as air-cooling can go (eating 100W more than the oc'ed 680).