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Originally posted by: Emveach
Originally posted by: fallenangel99
Originally posted by: SViscusi
Originally posted by: fallenangel99
i didnt know about the armours and humvees kerry was talking about before. is that true? how kids had to buy armours?
Yeah, some families were even armouring up Humvees with scrap metal before they were sent over.
oh man thats scary!.
More inaccurate then scary:
Kerry's Claim: President Bush Rushed To War Without Fully Equipping Our Troops With Body Armor.
The Facts:
"All Front Line Troops In Iraq Had Interceptor Body Armor During Offensive Operations In Iraq In Early 2003." "All soldiers and Defense Department civilians and contractors in Iraq have had interceptor body armor since January 2004." (House Armed Services Committee, "Talking Points: Protecting Our Troops," 3/24/04)
Every Solider And Marine In Iraq Had Body Armor, But Only Some Had Brand New Interceptor Body Armor, While Others Had Older Model. JOINT CHIEFS VICE CHAIRMAN PETER PACE: "Every soldier and Marine on the ground over had body armor. The difference is, is that our industry has produced an even better body armor than what we have, so what the folks went over to the war with is what we've been wearing for several years, which is body armor that's very, very good against a certain caliber of munition. The new body armor is better against large caliber munition, industry produced it and Congress funded it and industries producing as fast as they can and as fast as they're making it we're getting it to Iraq. The projection is that by December of this year [2003] everybody in Iraq will have the new armor, so everybody has armor it's the difference between whether they have the most recent capacity armor or the armor that we've been wearing ? body armor that we've been wearing for a couple years." (U.S. Department Of Defense Website, "Secretary Rumsfeld And Gen. Pace Stakeout At The House Of Representatives," http://www.defenselink.mil/tra...031021-secdef0805.html, 10/21/03)
At Beginning Of War, Troops Had At Minimum Same Body Armor Troops Have Worn For "Past 10, 15, 20 Years," And All U.S. Troops And Civilians In Iraq Now Have New Interceptor Body Armor. NPR'S JUAN WILLIAMS: "Senator Kerry, who, as you know, is running for president, has made the charge that American servicemen and women have had to reach into their own pockets to pay for some body armor. Is that true?" JOINT CHIEFS VICE CHAIRMAN PETER PACE: "Those of us in uniform do not talk about politics nor should we. The fact of the matter is that there have been some units that in the early stages of the war had the kind of body armor that we have had for the past 10, 15, 20 years and that as the war was beginning we had a new prototype that the Army was trying out called SAPI Armor, that in fact was, when field-tested, much better than the body armor that everyone else had. Now in the Gulf region every single American, civilian military who's over there serving our country, has available to them a set of this SAPI Armor." (NPR's "Morning Edition," 3/18/04)
The $87 Billion Supplemental Funding Bill Kerry And Edwards Voted Against Provided "Extra Money For Body Armor For Soldiers ?" ("Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures," The Associated Press, 10/17/03; S. Rept. 108-160, Conference Report On S. 1689, 10/2/03)
Kerry Had Characterized A Vote Against The Funding As "Irresponsible." (CBS' "Face the Nation," 9/14/03)
Kerry Later Offered A Tortured Explanation Of His Vote Against The $87 Billion To Support Troops In Iraq. "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." (Richard W. Stevenson And Adam Nagourney, "Bush's Campaign Emphasizes Role Of Leader In War," The New York Times, 3/17/04)
Kerry Said He Was "Proud" That He And Edwards Voted Against $87 Billion In Funding For U.S. Soldiers, Then Said His Vote Against Body Armor And Supplies For Troops Was "Complicated." (John Kerry, Remarks At "Women's Voices: A Luncheon With John Kerry," Boston, MA, 7/12/04; MSNBC's "Imus In The Morning," 7/15/04)
Kerry Even Said His Vote For The War And Against Funding For Our Troops Was "Not A Flip-Flop."(CBS' "Evening News," 7/21/04)
Kerry Then Defended His Vote Against The $87 Billion By Saying President Bush "Didn't Have A Plan To Win The Peace, It Was Irresponsible To Give [President Bush] A Blank Check That Gave $20 Billion That Was Going To Go?To Halliburton And All These Other Companies." (Mike Allen And Lois Romano, "Closing Laps In Race To November," The Washington Post, 9/4/04)
Kerry Said He's "Glad" He Voted Against The Iraq Supplemental. (CBS' "The Late Show With David Letterman," 9/20/04)
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