OFFICIAL Kinect thread.

[I4AT]

After dropping $200+ on an HD-DVD add on and having a Xenon unit RROD on me I'm never early adopting anything from Microsoft again lol.

Move looks more interesting to me anyways, but even then I'm gonna wait until it's established itself in the market and has a worthwhile software library. That is if I end up getting it at all.

 

[Tristicus]

Move starter bundle (camera + controller + game): $100
Move navigational controller: $30
Additional Move + navigation controller: $80
Total for 2 players: $210

Granted, you could potentially already have a camera, and maybe you don't want navigation controllers, but to get the full fledged Move experience from scratch, its not cheaper than Kinect.

As far as I can see, Move is $130 for everything. Game, camera, and full controller setup.
Kinect is $150, without a game. Or games, like Move for that matter.
I play by myself. Therefore, Move is cheaper. And even so, Move costs $210 for two. Not that even the nav controllers are required by the way. So $210 versus $150 + game, $190. And if you want to get technical with it, you don't even have to spend that $60 for the movement controllers on PS3 as you can use the DS3, and not all games utilize it anyways (Sports Champions for instance). So that is $150 for two people with a game and everything.

 

[Queasy]

As far as I can see, Move is $130 for everything. Game, camera, and full controller setup.
Kinect is $150, without a game. Or games, like Move for that matter.
I play by myself. Therefore, Move is cheaper. And even so, Move costs $210 for two. Not that even the nav controllers are required by the way. So $210 versus $150 + game, $190. And if you want to get technical with it, you don't even have to spend that $60 for the movement controllers on PS3 as you can use the DS3, and not all games utilize it anyways (Sports Champions for instance). So that is $150 for two people with a game and everything.

Kinect comes with a game - Kinect Adventures.

 

[Tristicus]

Kinect comes with a game - Kinect Adventures.

My mistake. A quick search didn't reveal anything.
However, is it any good? I mean, Sports Champions has gotten pretty favorable reviews and to me looks the part.

 

[Deeko]

As far as I can see, Move is $130 for everything. Game, camera, and full controller setup.
Kinect is $150, without a game. Or games, like Move for that matter.
I play by myself. Therefore, Move is cheaper. And even so, Move costs $210 for two. Not that even the nav controllers are required by the way. So $210 versus $150 + game, $190. And if you want to get technical with it, you don't even have to spend that $60 for the movement controllers on PS3 as you can use the DS3, and not all games utilize it anyways (Sports Champions for instance). So that is $150 for two people with a game and everything.

Kinect comes with a game as well.

Like I said, you don't necessarily have to buy the navigation controllers (but lets not pretend like DS3 doesn't cost money either), but to get the full Move experience for two players, its $210. Whereas Kinect is $150. For single player, yea, its between $100-$130 depending on which route you take (and $130 isn't exactly that much of a price difference from $150).

Fanboys will be fanboys, but realistically, the price isn't drastically different between the two.

 

[blurredvision]

However, is it any good? I mean, Sports Champions has gotten pretty favorable reviews and to me looks the part.

Only time will tell. I'm sure a few will chime in and say it looks like shit just because it's Kinect, but I think we all should wait until the reviews and impressions come out on Kinect as a whole before we judge it any further.

 

[warcrow]

I played with Kinect for about an hour and it's fun in a let's-invite-a-bunch-of-friends-over way. It's kinda like Rock Band. We never played it alone, but when we have people over. Plus with kids I imagine it would probably be a blast too.

Did I talk about this already? If so just ignore me.

 

[Queasy]

I played with Kinect for about an hour and it's fun in a let's-invite-a-bunch-of-friends-over way. It's kinda like Rock Band. We never played it alone, but when we have people over. Plus with kids I imagine it would probably be a blast too.

This. My kids and I played it at a Macy's demo back in August or September and they ate it up despite problems with the camera - we figured out that the attendant had set the camera too far back from the lip of the table causing Kinect not to be able to see legs.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

This. My kids and I played it at a Macy's demo back in August or September and they ate it up despite problems with the camera - we figured out that the attendant had set the camera too far back from the lip of the table causing Kinect not to be able to see legs.

This is why it is going to sell a lot. Kids love it and moms can use it for an actually decent exercise program.

Anyone want to take my bet? No one has yet.

 

[arod]

This is why it is going to sell a lot. Kids love it and moms can use it for an actually decent exercise program.

Anyone want to take my bet? No one has yet.

Its supposed to be on oprah today...... you know the mom's are gonna be all over it.

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-en...d:+tgdaily_all_sections+(TG+Daily+-+All+News)

I almost wished I had recorded her show just to see what they do (and the beginning of the marketing push).... but I'm sure video will be up somewhere on youtube.

 

[Queasy]

Its supposed to be on oprah today...... you know the mom's are gonna be all over it.

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-en...d:+tgdaily_all_sections+(TG+Daily+-+All+News)

I almost wished I had recorded her show just to see what they do (and the beginning of the marketing push).... but I'm sure video will be up somewhere on youtube.

I'm sure everyone in the audience will get a free Xbox 360 Slim with Kinect. It's also supposed to make an appearance on the Ellen Degeneres show.

MS is throwing $500 million into marketing Kinect so you're going to see it on everything from Pepsi cans to Kellog's cereal boxes to Dancing with the Stars and Glee.

Fortunately, I don't watch Oprah, Ellen, Glee or Dancing with the Stars. I don't drink Pepsi but my kids do love Frosted Flakes...

 

[blurredvision]

Anyone want to take my bet? No one has yet.

Haha, nobody is going to take your bet. None of us internet nerd gamers may like the thing, but the majority of us aren't stupid. Pre-orders are already exceeding capacity and the Wii showed that the insanely casual crowd will buy consoles.

As for whether it'll have legs, that depends on how well the final product works. If the reviews bomb and it's crappiness starts to leak out on CNN and other mainstream news, then they'll have a problem.

 

[TheSlamma]

Too bad these motion gimmicks are all limited to boring dance, exercise and sports games (there are some fun sports games out there but these ones are not). I'm all for kids getting exercise but making motions in a living room isn't equal pulling yourself up some monkey bars or running around a playground.

The launch titles for this thing are worse then the Turbo Grafx 16 was and the future titles for this thing look as lively as the Wii's stick waggle boredom. I've overheard many Wii owners say they made a mistake buying that thing.

Kinect will sell great during it's gimmick stage just as Wii did no doubt about that but then turn into a dust collector after the rafting game gets shelved.

 

[Narmer]

Too bad these motion gimmicks are all limited to boring dance, exercise and sports games (there are some fun sports games out there but these ones are not). I'm all for kids getting exercise but making motions in a living room isn't equal pulling yourself up some monkey bars or running around a playground.

The launch titles for this thing are worse then the Turbo Grafx 16 was and the future titles for this thing look as lively as the Wii's stick waggle boredom. I've overheard many Wii owners say they made a mistake buying that thing.

Kinect will sell great during it's gimmick stage just as Wii did no doubt about that but then turn into a dust collector after the rafting game gets shelved.

Hey, don't knock the Turbo Grafx 16.

 

[Deeko]

Does Kinect integrate with MSN Messanger video chat? That could be another benefit here. Especially if Microsoft integrates that with WP7 too.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

ouch.

http://www.destructoid.com/hands-on-child-of-eden-with-kinect-controls-184815.phtml

Sadly, Mizuguchi-san wasn't done talking yet. At the end of his presentation, he made a Freudian slip, one that I wont soon forget. I believe his exact words were, "Playing the game with Kinect is very difficult... I mean... different. It is very different." He was actually wrong both times. The word he should have used was "broken."

Kinect effectively ruined my experience with Child of Eden. It was a great idea in theory -- play a shooter where you aim with your hands, change weapons by clapping, and launch bombs by stretching both arms in the air. I would have loved that. It could have been total body immersion into the game world. What I got instead was a total backfire. As it turns out, it was poorly implemented, full body-only work that made the player constantly aware of their body and the frustrated in their attempts to interact with the game world. It's the opposite of immersion. I'm still definitely going to buy Child of Eden, but I'll be using the standard analog pad controls, or maybe the PS Move control scheme, assuming they aren't also broken. Unless there are some serious changes prior to release, I wont be touching the game's Kinect controls with a ten-foot pole.

So yeah, score one for Child of Eden, but strike one for Kinect.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Haha, nobody is going to take your bet. None of us internet nerd gamers may like the thing, but the majority of us aren't stupid. Pre-orders are already exceeding capacity and the Wii showed that the insanely casual crowd will buy consoles.

As for whether it'll have legs, that depends on how well the final product works. If the reviews bomb and it's crappiness starts to leak out on CNN and other mainstream news, then they'll have a problem.

Yeah it was mainly meant for Ravenseal who said Move would sell more. I think he is a kid though so I couldn't take his money anyway.

 

[Beev]

ouch.

http://www.destructoid.com/hands-on-child-of-eden-with-kinect-controls-184815.phtml

Now if only the word would spread enough... From a hardware standpoint the thing is going to be a catastrophic failure. Too bad Microsoft can fling as much money as they need to to make it successful (see: original Xbox during it's first year).

 

[blurredvision]

Now if only the word would spread enough... From a hardware standpoint the thing is going to be a catastrophic failure. Too bad Microsoft can fling as much money as they need to to make it successful (see: original Xbox during it's first year).

It wasn't money that made the first XBOX successful. It was Halo.

 

[Beev]

It wasn't money that made the first XBOX successful. It was Halo.

Yeah but they had to front a lot of money to buy Bungie to begin with. Even then the Xbox still wasn't PS2 caliber. I don't recall the original Xbox ever being sold out ever.

 

[Queasy]

Now if only the word would spread enough... From a hardware standpoint the thing is going to be a catastrophic failure. Too bad Microsoft can fling as much money as they need to to make it successful (see: original Xbox during it's first year).

Let me give you a quick impression of Kinect that I was going to write but never got around. It's going to suck and it will be fun. When it will suck and when it will be fun will depend completely on the developers and the games they generate just like *gasp* any other system.

Think back to when the Wii launched and how much crap was put out there as developers tried to make heads or tails of how to use the Wii-mote and nunchuck. We're going to see the same thing with Kinect as there will probably be a lot crappy games intermixed with some good games.

So yeah, Child of Eden apparently sucked according to one Destructoid previewer but another Destructoid previewer found Sonic Free Riders to be enjoyable. There will likely be a slow progression of games getting better and new game types getting introduced as developers get more familiar with Kinect and experiment more with it.

 

[Beev]

Let me give you a quick impression of Kinect that I was going to write but never got around. It's going to suck and it will be fun. When it will suck and when it will be fun will depend completely on the developers and the games they generate just like *gasp* any other system.

Think back to when the Wii launched and how much crap was put out there as developers tried to make heads or tails of how to use the Wii-mote and nunchuck. We're going to see the same thing with Kinect as there will probably be a lot crappy games intermixed with some good games.

So yeah, Child of Eden apparently sucked according to one Destructoid previewer but another Destructoid previewer found Sonic Free Riders to be enjoyable. There will likely be a slow progression of games getting better and new game types getting introduced as developers get more familiar with Kinect and experiment more with it.

I agree for the most part. Everyone is different too, so what is fun for me won't necessarily be fun for someone else. The difference between this and the Wii though, is that the motion stuff is proprietary. Every game has to use the Wiimote. No game HAS to use the Kinect. Because it is an addon, not everyone will have a Kinect, and because of that, there will never, ever, ever be a must-have game for it (same for the Move). Every Kinect-required game will be a silly (and probably crappy) gimmick. If it sells well then good on MS for making something that sells, but it's going to be crap (like the Move).

I hope to god the Wii's success doesn't drive either MS or Sony to make their next system motion controlled. It drove them to make these terrible addons, and I hope that's as far as it goes.

 

[blurredvision]

Because it is an addon, not everyone will have a Kinect, and because of that, there will never, ever, ever be a must-have game for it (same for the Move). Every Kinect-required game will be a silly (and probably crappy) gimmick.

A little too prophetic for my tastes. I'll side with Queasy on this one.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Let me give you a quick impression of Kinect that I was going to write but never got around. It's going to suck and it will be fun. When it will suck and when it will be fun will depend completely on the developers and the games they generate just like *gasp* any other system.

Think back to when the Wii launched and how much crap was put out there as developers tried to make heads or tails of how to use the Wii-mote and nunchuck. We're going to see the same thing with Kinect as there will probably be a lot crappy games intermixed with some good games.

So yeah, Child of Eden apparently sucked according to one Destructoid previewer but another Destructoid previewer found Sonic Free Riders to be enjoyable. There will likely be a slow progression of games getting better and new game types getting introduced as developers get more familiar with Kinect and experiment more with it.

Aside from the hand gesture issues, Sonic Free Riders was pretty enjoyable. I feel that the game would do better if it gave players an option between Kinect and standard controls though.

bolded the important part.
seems like it was enjoyable because it was different, not because it was better.

 

[Beev]

A little too prophetic for my tastes. I'll side with Queasy on this one.

Yeah I suppose overall you're right. I will stand by this statement, though:

there will never, ever, ever be a must-have game for it

Why would a company waste money developing a kick-ass game that only 50% (and I'm being very generous there) of the console owners could even play? They won't. You won't see any Call of Duty's, no GTA's, nothing of that caliber. Not even close. They might have Kinect "support", but it will be terrible and no one will use it.