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RavenSEAL

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MS knows how bad it is, that they're giving out in oprah. I can't wait to see 40 year old woman looking pathetic swinging invisible balls.
 
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Why would a company waste money developing a kick-ass game that only 50% (and I'm being very generous there) of the console owners could even play? They won't. You won't see any Call of Duty's, no GTA's, nothing of that caliber. Not even close. They might have Kinect "support", but it will be terrible and no one will use it.

It seems as if you're looking at must-have Kinect titles for the traditional gaming crowd. In that case, I'm inclined to agree (somewhat) that the chances of a triple-A title is slim (that's where we differ, I give it somewhat of a chance :sneaky. But from the casual side, I don't see why we can't see a must-have title come out. That's assuming adoption rate is significant, obviously, because otherwise no developer will waste their time.
 

Narmer

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Let me give you a quick impression of Kinect that I was going to write but never got around. It's going to suck and it will be fun. When it will suck and when it will be fun will depend completely on the developers and the games they generate just like *gasp* any other system.

Think back to when the Wii launched and how much crap was put out there as developers tried to make heads or tails of how to use the Wii-mote and nunchuck. We're going to see the same thing with Kinect as there will probably be a lot crappy games intermixed with some good games.

So yeah, Child of Eden apparently sucked according to one Destructoid previewer but another Destructoid previewer found Sonic Free Riders to be enjoyable. There will likely be a slow progression of games getting better and new game types getting introduced as developers get more familiar with Kinect and experiment more with it.

My first impression with Nintendo Wii was with Wii Sports. 4 years later, it's still the ONLY game I play on the Wii. It's that good. However, I won't make the same mistake twice. Even if the game that comes with Kinect is any good, 3rd party developers have a bad reputation when it comes to these things.
 

Queasy

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MS knows how bad it is, that they're giving out in oprah. I can't wait to see 40 year old woman looking pathetic swinging invisible balls.

If that's the criteria, then I guess Nintendo knew how bad things were with the Wii.

I'm not saying Kinect will sell like the Wii but MS is essentially copying Nintendo's marketing strategy here by targeting the casual audience via Moms.
 
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If that's the criteria, then I guess Nintendo knew how bad things were with the Wii.

I'm not saying Kinect will sell like the Wii but MS is essentially copying Nintendo's marketing strategy here by targeting the casual audience via Moms.

i predict kinect will be flying off the shelves.
1. larger use base. more people having xbox's (over ps3) means more sales potential
2. more money spent on advertising. $500M, plus the channels they're using (oprah namely)
3. it's "new". motion control with a wand has been done already. this is new and different

whether it can sustain high levels of sales will depend on reviews and future games.
 

Dumac

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i predict kinect will be flying off the shelves.
1. larger use base. more people having xbox's (over ps3) means more sales potential
2. more money spent on advertising. $500M, plus the channels they're using (oprah namely)
3. it's "new". motion control with a wand has been done already. this is new and different

whether it can sustain high levels of sales will depend on reviews and future games.

1. The user base isn't that much larger. 41 million vs 38 million, which isn't too bad considering PS3 came out a year later. So if you take market growth into consideration...

2. This will probably be the cause of most of the sales. Kinect commercials are EVERYWHERE! I think they are pretty funny in the way they present the technology vs the actual tech, but normal people don't know any better. Who knows if it'll be a better gain financially though to sink so much into advertising.

3. "New" isn't necessarily better. A lot of people picked up Move since it was like a Wii, only in HD and more "mature" (heh).

I also think Kinect will sell pretty well early on, but I don't think it'll have much staying power due to its reception in the gaming community. I could be wrong though, as there are a lot of clueless/gullible moms out there.
 

Beev

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If any other company other than Microsoft had started the Microsoft Game's Division the Xbox would have tanked back in 2001. Must be nice for a company to be able to power sell both their good and bad products when they have near limitless funds.
 
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1. The user base isn't that much larger. 41 million vs 38 million, which isn't too bad considering PS3 came out a year later. So if you take market growth into consideration...

how many people are using their ps3's as a blu-ray player only?


3. "New" isn't necessarily better. A lot of people picked up Move since it was like a Wii, only in HD and more "mature" (heh).

that's exactly my point. it's been done on the Wii, and that newness has worn off.
i'm willing to bet most Wii's aren't used reguarly, if at all. i know mine and my friends aren't.
it's seen as gimmicky and has given motion controlling a bad name.
and this could be detrimental to Move sales if most people think of it as just Wii HD.
 
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Deeko

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MS knows how bad it is, that they're giving out in oprah. I can't wait to see 40 year old woman looking pathetic swinging invisible balls.

Actually, electronics that are popular with the non-tech crowd are often on Oprah, and they often do very well. After Amazon showed the Kindle on Oprah, they were literally sold out for the next 4 or 5 months, I believe. And its not that they weren't making them, they just couldn't keep them on the shelves.
 

Dumac

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how many people are using their ps3's as a blu-ray player only?

Derp

that's exactly my point. it's been done on the Wii, and that newness has worn off.
i'm willing to bet most Wii's aren't used reguarly, if at all. i know mine and my friends aren't.
it's seen as gimmicky and has given motion controlling a bad name.
and this could be detrimental to Move sales if most people think of it as just Wii HD.

herp

Move sales are doing just fine.

If anything, Kinect is seen as WAY more gimmicky than either the Wii or Move, both of which are way more reliable forms of motion control technology.

Also, you missed my point. I agreed that Move is less "new" than Kinect, but that point was that "new" isn't necessarily a good thing.

The biggest factor in helping Kinect win over Move, besides marketing, will be the fact that most moms who buy their kids games most likely got their kid an Xbox. If someone has a PS3, they most likely know a bit more about gaming, so I don't predict as many Mom's picking up Move thinking about their large midsection.

And Sony realizes this, which is why they are marketing move in a totally different way than Kinect. You know, actually towards gamers, instead of just..moms.
 

exar333

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herp

Move sales are doing just fine.

If anything, Kinect is seen as WAY more gimmicky than either the Wii or Move, both of which are way more reliable forms of motion control technology.

Also, you missed my point. I agreed that Move is less "new" than Kinect, but that point was that "new" isn't necessarily a good thing.

The biggest factor in helping Kinect win over Move, besides marketing, will be the fact that most moms who buy their kids games most likely got their kid an Xbox. If someone has a PS3, they most likely know a bit more about gaming, so I don't predict as many Mom's picking up Move thinking about their large midsection.

And Sony realizes this, which is why they are marketing move in a totally different way than Kinect. You know, actually towards gamers, instead of just..moms.

lolz at the comment that PS3 owners know "more about gaming". What a crock of....
 

Beev

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I think he just worded that poorly. More often than not, a non-game savvy parent will by a 360 hands down because of price and family appeal, whereas most PS3 owners are gamers. Most.
 

Dumac

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I think he just worded that poorly. More often than not, a non-game savvy parent will by a 360 hands down because of price and family appeal, whereas most PS3 owners are gamers. Most.

Yeah, this is what I meant when i said:

most moms who buy their kids games most likely got their kid an Xbox.

Sorry if I worded it badly.

A mom who just wants to pick up a system for their kid is a lot more likely to pick up a 360 then a PS3. I guess this is why I seem to run into a lot of kids on 360 multiplayer than PS3 multiplayer.

Even on the general user level, 360 is sort of a default console. A lot of non-gamers pick up a 360 to play some Madden or something everyonce in a while. People who buy PS3s for gaming usual aren't as casual.

And Sony realizes this, which is why they are marketing move in a totally different way than Kinect. You know, actually towards gamers, instead of just..moms.

If you look at the Move marketing vs Kinect marketing, Kinect seems to be more targeted towards "casual" players, such as moms, while Move seems to be targeted towards more "hardcore" (I hate that word) gamers.
 
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so release date is this week.
why haven't there been any reviews on the system? this can't be a good sign if MS has an embargo on reviews.
 

Beev

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MS specifically said they don't need good reviews to sell the system.

Yep. That is pretty much universally the case when you spend millions upon millions of dollars on marketing. The product can be a pile of shit (which it is) and it will still sell millions. I believe it was Popcap who stated that Zynga was a marketing company, not a game company, which is why Farmville etc. have so many users. The Kinect will unfortunately be successful because too many people will fall for the marketing hype.

I'd wager people's Kinects will get shelved faster than people put away their Wii's.
 

Queasy

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Call of Duty: Black Ops is out in a week! Why haven't there been any reviews yet? Clear sign that the game is going to be utter shite!

Just sayin...
 
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