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Perknose

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The front office and the owner look pretty stupid right about now.

James is the most dominant player in the game right now while at the same time he clearly has a much better chance of winning a ring by going to atleast 2-3 other teams. They fvcked up.

Kobe already had more players around him, and many, many more NBA'ers wanted to come to the warm weather, large media market, enormous bouncing silicone boobies capital of the WORLD than ever wanted to go to Cleveland.

With the salary cap and other restraints (no sweetheart Gasol trade for YOU, Cleveland!), I don't think there was ANY move that Cleveland could have made that they didn't damn well make.

Not to rag on you, jj, but I HATE superficial fanboi bitching. :twisted:
 
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I feel the same way. I lost some respect for him. You couldn't get it done being the main piece. So now you go join two other guys for the ride. Maybe he is just not as good as many of us thought.

all respect was lost for him when he stormed off the court in the orlando loss.
 

MikeMike

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my facebook feed is full of people throwing their jerseys out, burning lebron jerseys, and more...

the only more hated person in cleveland is Art Modell
 

Hacp

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your argument is moot, this orignal argument was that kobe could do it all by himself. as well, gasol did carry this team during a really rough offensive stretch. had he not, the team would not have made the playoffs.

The original argument was that it is Kobe's team, not anyone else's. If Gasol left, Kobe could still keep the lakers aloat. If Kobe left, the lakers would crash. This lakers team will always be known as Kobe's team.

With the heat, you can't call it James' team. Thus it is a stupid decision by James to sign with Wade. He could have chosen a team with a bunch of almost or lower tier all-stars and led them to a championship. That team would be James' team.
 

zerocool84

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The original argument was that it is Kobe's team, not anyone else's. If Gasol left, Kobe could still keep the lakers aloat. If Kobe left, the lakers would crash. This lakers team will always be known as Kobe's team.

With the heat, you can't call it James' team. Thus it is a stupid decision by James to sign with Wade. He could have chosen a team with a bunch of almost or lower tier all-stars and led them to a championship. That team would be James' team.

It was Wade's team. It's now Wade's and LeBron's team.
 

PlatinumGold

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The original argument was that it is Kobe's team, not anyone else's. If Gasol left, Kobe could still keep the lakers aloat. If Kobe left, the lakers would crash. This lakers team will always be known as Kobe's team.

With the heat, you can't call it James' team. Thus it is a stupid decision by James to sign with Wade. He could have chosen a team with a bunch of almost or lower tier all-stars and led them to a championship. That team would be James' team.

thank you, someone finally understood what i was saying.

the point is, kobe didn't want to play second fiddle and proved he could do it without playing second fiddle. lebron has shown, he clearly doesn't have that kind of confidence.
 

rasczak

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thank you, someone finally understood what i was saying.

the point is, kobe didn't want to play second fiddle and proved he could do it without playing second fiddle. lebron has shown, he clearly doesn't have that kind of confidence.

I concede that point, but the overall theme is that no one star can really do it by themselves.
 

a123456

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no, it's still wade's team. wade won it without lebron and lebron has never won it without wade. it will always be wades team in miami.

Eh, that's true. But maybe for him, a ring is a ring. We rag on athletes a lot about only caring about money and ego and fame. He's giving up some stuff in order to go for multiple rings with Wade and Bosh. They're in their mid 20s so potentially they have the ability to win say 2 or 3 rings in the next 5 years. League is too stacked to go Bill Russell.

Obviously, he's not the alpha dog that everyone thought he was, but I guess we just misjudged him. He's not interested in trying to win one as the clear-cut #1. He just wants to win.

Pippen has 6 rings and is in the Hall. I'm sure he's not terribly sad that he had Jordan on his team to get 6 rings.
 

darkxshade

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I concede that point, but the overall theme is that no one star can really do it by themselves.


And the counter argument to that was that Miami was not the only option he had. Certainly it's the one with the best success rate but there were other suitors who could provide for him where he wouldn't have to take a backseat to any titles they win.

Anyway, he's made his choice, now he has to live with it. I'm not going to criticize him for his choice, he wants what he wants and my wishes shouldn't be anymore important than his since it's his life and his future but I'm not going to support him or have any respect for his decision. I'm not losing sleep over it either.
 
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"I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE."

ok Dan. We believe you. Really we do. Now put down the bottle...

what a tacky move...and he's high/drunk/both
 

JTsyo

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rasczak

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And the counter argument to that was that Miami was not the only option he had. Certainly it's the one with the best success rate but there were other suitors who could provide for him where he wouldn't have to take a backseat to any titles they win.

Anyway, he's made his choice, now he has to live with it. I'm not going to criticize him for his choice, he wants what he wants and my wishes shouldn't be anymore important than his since it's his life and his future but I'm not going to support him or have any respect for his decision. I'm not losing sleep over it either.

while you are correct about that, cleveland at this point in time gave him NO possibility of winning a championship the way they have been going about getting their talent (or lack there of). Maybe there was some truth to the boozer angle and not wanting to play with him after getting burned closing his rookie year. so really the only other option he had was Miami.
 

Miramonti

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Kobe already had more players around him, and many, many more NBA'ers wanted to come to the warm weather, large media market, enormous bouncing silicone boobies capital of the WORLD than ever wanted to go to Cleveland.

With the salary cap and other restraints (no sweetheart Gasol trade for YOU, Cleveland!), I don't think there was ANY move that Cleveland could have made that they didn't damn well make.

Not to rag on you, jj, but I HATE superficial fanboi bitching. :twisted:

Fair enough. It's very true that Cleveland is an extremely unattractive place to play, and there's a lot of 20/20 hindsight going on. I wouldn't exactly say Kobe already had plenty more players around him...Mo Williams was an allstar (barely) and so was Z iirc (and damon jones shot pretty well for a while)...while Kobe didn't have any allstars after shaq and before Gasol.

That said, the Gasol gift from a laker HOF'er provided the Lakers the 2nd star needed. The lakers also were willing to go way over the cap, which the cavs have to be asking if they should have paid more for talent.


Now that's just fvcked up! Trying to generate support by making James a common enemy is fvcking bush league. He should stfu before he gets knocked upside the head by a true James fan, which no doubt Ohio still has many (many more than fans of Dan Gilbert.) James gave Cleveland 7 years of pretty phenomenal basketball...to call this a cowardly betrayal is childish.
 
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