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Bulls get Korver, 3yr/$15m

No Lebron, but its overall been a good offseason for the Bulls and I doubt they are done. Definite upgrade from last year.

I'll take Kyle Kutcher...err Korver. His value has a bit of an intangible since he's used to getting kickouts from Boozer so there's some pre-built chemistry there. Still need another big to step up and relieve Noah. I don't think Miller will be in Chicago this fall.
 

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I'll take Kyle Kutcher...err Korver. His value has a bit of an intangible since he's used to getting kickouts from Boozer so there's some pre-built chemistry there. Still need another big to step up and relieve Noah. I don't think Miller will be in Chicago this fall.

He should fit in pretty well. Rose has been desperate for a perimeter player. As for center, I think they should go for Al Jefferson, who was rumored at some point to being shopped (and is just about the only worthy center left available.) They'd probably have to trade Deng tho, which I wouldn't be all that upset.
 
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Anyone have the clip that shows the Piston trainer getting ejected from the summer league game today?

Also, how great is it that after all is said and done, Joe Johnson ended up signing the biggest deal in the Summer of 2010?
 
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He should fit in pretty well. Rose has been desperate for a perimeter player. As for center, I think they should go for Al Jefferson, who was rumored at some point to being shopped (and is just about the only worthy center left available.) They'd probably have to trade Deng tho, which I wouldn't be all that upset.

didn't he have hinrich?
 

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A scary thought is that Chicago lead the league in rebounds last year. They just added Boozer who is one of the better glass cleaners in the game.

Yikes. I didn't realize that they were that good on the boards.
 

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Good news for Cavs fans. Cavs getting 2 1st and 2 2nd and a 16M trade exchange for a Lebron S&T. Not that it really matters, in terms of magnitude.
 
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JJ Redick agrees to Chicago's 3 year, 20M contract. Orlando can match.

Final Three Mi-egos contracts:

Lebron & Bosh: 6 years, 110M, starting at 14.5M
Wade: 6 years, 107M, starting at 14.2M

So each took about 15M less than the max (but Lebron saves 7% over Ohio in income tax or about 8M) and I think that means about 8M or so left in cap room (meaning they can offer Miller 5 years, 30M easily). All of them can opt out after 4 years so we get to do it again in 2014.

Cleveland gets 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks. Toronto gets 2 first round picks on the S&Ts.
 
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Miramonti

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JJ Redick agrees to Chicago's 3 year, 20M contract. Orlando can match.

Final Three Mi-egos contracts:

Lebron & Bosh: 6 years, 110M, starting at 14.5M
Wade: 6 years, 107M, starting at 14.2M

So each took about 15M less than the max (but Lebron saves 7% over Ohio in income tax or about 8M) and I think that means about 8M or so left in cap room (meaning they can offer Miller 5 years, 30M easily). All of them can opt out after 4 years so we get to do it again in 2014.

Cleveland gets 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks. Toronto gets 2 first round picks on the S&Ts.

Korver AND Redick?? Wtf, how about some defense? I guess that's great, but for the Bulls I was only expecting one or the other, preferably Redick of course. Mr. Thibs is going to bust some @ss on these guys, lol.

Let's see what Orlando does with this one. They are really choking on Carter and Lewis' contract.


As for the big-3...I'm surprised they got such a big contract and >$15m/yr, and think that's great they took less yet at this point didn't have to take too much less. (they will probably be willing to renegotiate if they find they got a great thing going but the team needs more $$ in a few years.)
 
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Miramonti

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Now now, Bosh and Wade are still OK in my book. LB is the follower.

One would think Lebron would try hard to lead Wade and Bosh to Cleveland instead...but then again...maybe Lebron wanted to just get.the.fvck.out.of.Cleveland.

At this point I think it's fairly obvious, and he definitely took the right root in doing so.
 

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Now now, Bosh and Wade are still OK in my book. LB is the follower.


The same Bosh and Wade that led every team on thinking they had a shot at them when in reality these idiots decided to have a play date with each other years ago?
 

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One would think Lebron would try hard to lead Wade and Bosh to Cleveland instead...but then again...maybe Lebron wanted to just get.the.fvck.out.of.Cleveland.

At this point I think it's fairly obvious, and he definitely took the right root in doing so.

Obviously, I'm not him and I don't know his exact thinking, but I think the main draw of the Heat is Miami.

There are multiple factors going into this. One is that he doesn't respect Gilbert at all. Gilbert basically pandered to every single of Lebron's wants and needs, including all these weird pre-game celebrations, staff hiring and firings, and basically catered to his every whim in the hopes that this would make Lebron stay. I think it turned him into a spoiled child.

On the other side, you have Pat Riley, a known winner and mastermind. The current coach will get fired after they don't win the title in the first year and then Riley will take over from year 2 and on.

The final straw is that he's still a kid at heart. He never went to college, so he didn't get that experience. He's still some young guy who wants to party. Miami is a notorious party town with good-looking women, not that much press like in NYC or LA, and just a great place to have a party or take a vacation. All that combined with being able to party every night with 2 of his really good friends kind of sealed it. What young kid doesn't want to hang out with his buddies all the time at work and at the beach?

His quotes make it obvious. He wasn't joining the Heat. He was "taking his talents to South Beach." And his major decision was based on a call to his mom and what would make him happy. Right after his decision, he called his mom again for moral support. He doesn't really care about his legacy at this point. He just wants to have fun while he's young.

And seriously, tell me, what college kid hasn't made some decision based on totally strange thinking?

He's been surrounded by yes-men his entire life so he hasn't really had a chance to mature. He obviously was oblivious to the true pain of Cleveland fans. Even Miami's press acknowledges that the town is completely bandwagon. Half the stadium was empty after they lost a couple games to Dallas during their title run year. They only root for winners, but they do throw a good party.

I do think that it was kind of crappy for these 3 to totally screw over the other 5 teams in free agency, intentionally or not. Those 5 teams missed out on some FAs and trades while waiting for the decision to come. Now, the Nets, Clips, Cavs are kind of left with nothing. Bulls still made some moves because they didn't expect him to come. Knicks were in the middle. Overpaid for Amare.
 

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Obviously, I'm not him and I don't know his exact thinking, but I think the main draw of the Heat is Miami.

There are multiple factors going into this. One is that he doesn't respect Gilbert at all. Gilbert basically pandered to every single of Lebron's wants and needs, including all these weird pre-game celebrations, staff hiring and firings, and basically catered to his every whim in the hopes that this would make Lebron stay. I think it turned him into a spoiled child.

On the other side, you have Pat Riley, a known winner and mastermind. The current coach will get fired after they don't win the title in the first year and then Riley will take over from year 2 and on.

The final straw is that he's still a kid at heart. He never went to college, so he didn't get that experience. He's still some young guy who wants to party. Miami is a notorious party town with good-looking women, not that much press like in NYC or LA, and just a great place to have a party or take a vacation. All that combined with being able to party every night with 2 of his really good friends kind of sealed it. What young kid doesn't want to hang out with his buddies all the time at work and at the beach?

His quotes make it obvious. He wasn't joining the Heat. He was "taking his talents to South Beach." And his major decision was based on a call to his mom and what would make him happy. Right after his decision, he called his mom again for moral support. He doesn't really care about his legacy at this point. He just wants to have fun while he's young.

And seriously, tell me, what college kid hasn't made some decision based on totally strange thinking?

He's been surrounded by yes-men his entire life so he hasn't really had a chance to mature. He obviously was oblivious to the true pain of Cleveland fans. Even Miami's press acknowledges that the town is completely bandwagon. Half the stadium was empty after they lost a couple games to Dallas during their title run year. They only root for winners, but they do throw a good party.

I do think that it was kind of crappy for these 3 to totally screw over the other 5 teams in free agency, intentionally or not. Those 5 teams missed out on some FAs and trades while waiting for the decision to come. Now, the Nets, Clips, Cavs are kind of left with nothing. Bulls still made some moves because they didn't expect him to come. Knicks were in the middle. Overpaid for Amare.

/Simmons?
 

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The same Bosh and Wade that led every team on thinking they had a shot at them when in reality these idiots decided to have a play date with each other years ago?

I don't think they had every team thinking they had a chance. Based on Wade's early statements it would be foolish to think he would leave. Bosh talked to what 3-5 teams MAX? Everyone knew he was leaving the Raptors.

LB could have gone to the Heat in a much more respectful manner but didn't.
 

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Obviously, I'm not him and I don't know his exact thinking, but I think the main draw of the Heat is Miami.

There are multiple factors going into this. One is that he doesn't respect Gilbert at all. Gilbert basically pandered to every single of Lebron's wants and needs, including all these weird pre-game celebrations, staff hiring and firings, and basically catered to his every whim in the hopes that this would make Lebron stay. I think it turned him into a spoiled child.

On the other side, you have Pat Riley, a known winner and mastermind. The current coach will get fired after they don't win the title in the first year and then Riley will take over from year 2 and on.

The final straw is that he's still a kid at heart. He never went to college, so he didn't get that experience. He's still some young guy who wants to party. Miami is a notorious party town with good-looking women, not that much press like in NYC or LA, and just a great place to have a party or take a vacation. All that combined with being able to party every night with 2 of his really good friends kind of sealed it. What young kid doesn't want to hang out with his buddies all the time at work and at the beach?

His quotes make it obvious. He wasn't joining the Heat. He was "taking his talents to South Beach." And his major decision was based on a call to his mom and what would make him happy. Right after his decision, he called his mom again for moral support. He doesn't really care about his legacy at this point. He just wants to have fun while he's young.

And seriously, tell me, what college kid hasn't made some decision based on totally strange thinking?

He's been surrounded by yes-men his entire life so he hasn't really had a chance to mature. He obviously was oblivious to the true pain of Cleveland fans. Even Miami's press acknowledges that the town is completely bandwagon. Half the stadium was empty after they lost a couple games to Dallas during their title run year. They only root for winners, but they do throw a good party.

I do think that it was kind of crappy for these 3 to totally screw over the other 5 teams in free agency, intentionally or not. Those 5 teams missed out on some FAs and trades while waiting for the decision to come. Now, the Nets, Clips, Cavs are kind of left with nothing. Bulls still made some moves because they didn't expect him to come. Knicks were in the middle. Overpaid for Amare.

Yea I agree about Pat Riley, he is a genus for getting the 3 biggest FA to Miami. And I have to agree if I were James, Miami would be an attractive place with the women, celebrity fans, party and the weather. Outside of LA, it's probably the most hip place to be at. Besides you got a proven President/Possible Coach in Riley and all star buddies in Wade and Bosh.

And I don't think those 3 screwed other team, there is a "free" in free agency so they can pick and choose the team they want to go to. The teams made gambles to lure James, and not all gamble pays off.

The only problem I have is the way James came across as a egotistical, ungrateful person. Right or wrong Cleveland showered him with love, he should have thanks the fans and the cities and do this move more humbly with some class. Like you said, James is a kid, never went to college, had great success early in his life and is surrounded by yes men. So not unexpected to see him act that way, but it is still classless.

It would be interesting to see how Riley make the money work. Celtics were lucky to have Rando and Big baby under rookie contract when they signed their big 3 and they were able to get a few serviceable big/utility men around the core. Chalmers is no Rando, and we will see if Miami can get any more serviceable bodies.

I am a Chicago fan, and I like what they did. They didn't go all out striping their roster for James, and they are fiscally conservative and signed Boozer at a good price. They have above average players at most position except center. If we can get iggy from 76er by trading Deng, we would have a very competitive TEAM against Miami.
 
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lol seriously

Pau Gasol is the best PF in the league right now that Duncan is old and Artest has been and is a defensive beast. Both are very good players. Kobe didn't win anything before Pau got there and needed Artest to win it.

Ever heard of a guy named Dirk Nowitzki pf for the mavs?
 

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I am impressed that the big 3 actually took a 2 million dollar per year pay cut to give the Heats a bit more wiggle room in signing role players. They've signed Mike Miller and contract for Haslem is said to be signed next week. Though I am still not sure how they will afford him since they only have about 3 million left in capsapce after the Miller signing.

James, Wade, Bosh, Miller, Chalmers, Haslem(?), a couple of veteran ring chasers (TMAC? Shaq?) playing for a discount,then filled out with minimum wage NBDL callups/2nd round picks gives the team serviceable depth in the regular season, but very hard to stop in the 4th quarter of a playoff games.

And we might see the same fiasco again in 4 years ...

STEIN_LINE_HQ Addendum to @chadfordinsider info: All three Heaters have Early Termination Option after Year 4. Meaning we can do this again in July 2014
 

Miramonti

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Obviously, I'm not him and I don't know his exact thinking, but I think the main draw of the Heat is Miami.

There are multiple factors going into this. One is that he doesn't respect Gilbert at all. Gilbert basically pandered to every single of Lebron's wants and needs, including all these weird pre-game celebrations, staff hiring and firings, and basically catered to his every whim in the hopes that this would make Lebron stay. I think it turned him into a spoiled child.

On the other side, you have Pat Riley, a known winner and mastermind. The current coach will get fired after they don't win the title in the first year and then Riley will take over from year 2 and on.

The final straw is that he's still a kid at heart. He never went to college, so he didn't get that experience. He's still some young guy who wants to party. Miami is a notorious party town with good-looking women, not that much press like in NYC or LA, and just a great place to have a party or take a vacation. All that combined with being able to party every night with 2 of his really good friends kind of sealed it. What young kid doesn't want to hang out with his buddies all the time at work and at the beach?

His quotes make it obvious. He wasn't joining the Heat. He was "taking his talents to South Beach." And his major decision was based on a call to his mom and what would make him happy. Right after his decision, he called his mom again for moral support. He doesn't really care about his legacy at this point. He just wants to have fun while he's young.

And seriously, tell me, what college kid hasn't made some decision based on totally strange thinking?

He's been surrounded by yes-men his entire life so he hasn't really had a chance to mature. He obviously was oblivious to the true pain of Cleveland fans. Even Miami's press acknowledges that the town is completely bandwagon. Half the stadium was empty after they lost a couple games to Dallas during their title run year. They only root for winners, but they do throw a good party.

I do think that it was kind of crappy for these 3 to totally screw over the other 5 teams in free agency, intentionally or not. Those 5 teams missed out on some FAs and trades while waiting for the decision to come. Now, the Nets, Clips, Cavs are kind of left with nothing. Bulls still made some moves because they didn't expect him to come. Knicks were in the middle. Overpaid for Amare.

No question Miami must have been very appealing as a city to go to. Lots of partying, beautiful coast, weather awesome. Since James' was 18, he's practically had the miserable city of Cleveland on his shoulders, and it's got to feel good to finally shake that. I'm sure you're right that James was spoiled in some regards in cleveland, but he's an eccentric and that's the nature of the business for someone like him.

History might give Pat Riley credit for pulling this off, but most of the credit (or blame) goes to wade in my book. He specifically recruited his friends and without him, this wouldn't be happening. Riley is busting his @ss tho w/o question to make it work.

Free agency is tricky. It's hard for a losing team with a douchebag owner or GM to land a top tier FA. That rules out the Knicks, the Clippers, and partially the Nets, who are a longtime losing organization with a completely unknown foreign owner.

When the Bulls rebuilt, Krause couldn't sign a top tier FA to save his life, even being a great city with a great owner. They were a sh!tty team and Krause was poorly repped. The best they could do was Jalen Rose for $14m(?), and rebuilt the rest thru the draft. It was brutal. The Knicks overpaid for Amare because they had to in order to bring more attractiveness to Lebron, as well as atleast come away with one near-top FA.
 
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Miramonti

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FWIW...

Who's the best player in the game...Kobe or Lebron...Kobe.

-Michael Jordan

I still say James is the most dominant player in the game, but just as Shaq was in his younger years, that doesn't necessarily make him the best player in the league.
 
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I don't think they had every team thinking they had a chance. Based on Wade's early statements it would be foolish to think he would leave. Bosh talked to what 3-5 teams MAX? Everyone knew he was leaving the Raptors.

LB could have gone to the Heat in a much more respectful manner but didn't.

People thought Bosh + Wade was a done deal to Chicago. NY thought it had LBJ locked up. Chicago thought (like everyone else) it had the best shot at LBJ outside of Clev. Cleveland thought he was never leaving. Miami thought Wade was never leaving. Houston thought it could get Bosh. Chicago thought it had Bosh easy. Jersey thought it had a shot at LBJ.

Yeah....what a bunch of colossal douchebags. The amount of hate this team is going to have everywhere outside of the 8k Heat fans is going to be something never seen before.
 
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