Originally posted by: maladroit
And how about this theory that just popped into my head....
Maybe the real world really is the real world, and Neo was actually the first anomaly with his level of power that ever was born into the Matrix. That would explain him having extroardinary telekinetic powers in the real world (ie, his mind is so advanced and evolved that he has amazing psychic powers - almost like an X-Man). The machines have no way to stop him in the Matrix, and they know they are doomed if Neo survives, so they invent this crazy story about how Zion has been destroyed 6 times etc, just to try to force him to choose to give in to the machines. Hmm...
All I know is that I've never had this much fun thinking about a movie before...
so many possibilities, i love this movie more and more every minute!
Originally posted by: RishiS
What role does (Agent) Smith play now? Obviously he still hates Neo, but I guess he's free of being an Agent of the Matrix. Does this mean that the other Agents are out to get him as well? When he saw that one Agent at the park, that Agent was suprised to see Smith. Then of course, Smith made him on of his own.
I assume the version of Smith in Zion (guy in last scene) is gonna play a big role in the next movie. Maybe it's cuz I just saw a uh, certain other movie recently, but I think it'd be interesting if this Smith in Zion somehow ends up helping Neo against the Matrix in the next movie. Perhaps Zion's Smith has a wife and kids and is forced to acknowledge emotions, something he didn't do before and this changes him.
Is this even possible?
I like what Lucas is doing for digital, but I don't think even he has an issue with framerate. AFAIK all the new digital cameras are still being built around 24fps. Eventually I guess the tech will get good enough that higher framerate will be almost free and you won't need a George Lucas to go on a crusade to make it available.Originally posted by: Spudd
Maybe that's why Lucas' idea that all movies should be done digital instead of on film will become a reality in the future--at least for sci fi/action moves where there is a lot of fast stuff going on.
Originally posted by: LeeTJ
It seems to me as has been said before, that ZION is actually PART of the matrix and it's all part of the deception that was concieved by the Oracle and the Architect.
HOWEVER, I think in Matrix 3, Neo and the crew will find a way to overcome the matrix and excape to "Reality".
and the surpise will probably be that there is a NEW sun and the matrix is no longer necessary.
Originally posted by: istallion
I like what Lucas is doing for digital, but I don't think even he has an issue with framerate. AFAIK all the new digital cameras are still being built around 24fps. Eventually I guess the tech will get good enough that higher framerate will be almost free and you won't need a George Lucas to go on a crusade to make it available.Originally posted by: Spudd
Maybe that's why Lucas' idea that all movies should be done digital instead of on film will become a reality in the future--at least for sci fi/action moves where there is a lot of fast stuff going on.
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
That's actually pretty good except it seemed like the Architect was implying that the previous Neos were the previous 6 "The One's". It seems like hes explaining the ones before him chose to reload the matrix or something. But then you also look at it and see that theres been 6 previous "the one's" and you see more than 6 on the screens....
Originally posted by: Slugbait
Sorry, didn't have time to read thru every post...hopefully my impressions aren't a repeat that will generate annoyance...
It would seem the war is not between humans and machines, but instead between programs.
Agent Smith was apparently morphed when Neo "destroyed" him in the first film. And now his program seems to have lost its association with the master program. Further, he can infect any other program, including agents, and morph them into a duplicate program of himself, which is enough to really cause a balancing problem within the master program. In the first movie, he was quite adament about getting out of the Matrix ("It's the smell...if there is such a thing..."). He knows that once Neo reaches the Architect, that the whole program will start over again with version 7.0, and Smith will continue to be stuck in an infinite loop.
Except this time, some things happened that were different from the previous versions: first, Agent Smith got out of the Matrix by infecting a resistence fighter and exiting to a hovercraft. Then Smith attempts to assassinate Neo in Zion...thus preventing him from full-filling the "prophecy" that would result in a version 7.0.
Rogue programs are rampant, and causing a bunch of problems. And apparently, they are not deleted with installation of newer versions of the Matrix, and also are continuing to modify their programming.
It seems the Oracle program was written so that each version of the Matrix properly followed the exact recreation (deja vu) of each previous version before it, culminating in the destruction and recreation of Zion. Obviously, the machines need Zion to exist, and to be repeatedly destroyed. Why, I'm not sure, but it may be because there are certain "gifted" people ("potentials") that need to be unplugged from the Matrix, or otherwise they would cause problems that cannot be solved with the software. So there needs to be someone available to unplug them and get them out, thus the necessity of Zion. The reason it needs to be repeatedly destroyed may be so that it begins again with only 16, and then grow again to a quarter-million, with most or all of them not having any idea just how old the Matrix truly is, keeping each generation ignorant of just how much control the Matrix truly has...and also ignorant that they are being controlled while they believe they are "free".
Neo somehow knew the Sentinals were about to send a bomb to the hovercraft...they didn't use bombs before, so how would he know this? Then he could feel the Sentinels coming toward them. And then he knocked them out. I'm not sure why he was able to do all of this while unplugged, but I'm pretty sure the machines never expected it, or knew that it was possible. So now the Matrix has problems both within its own programming...which cannot be upgraded now to v7.0, and has a buttload of rogue programs running around...and also in the real world, where a truly gifted person is about ready to wreak havoc from the outside.
Even if I'm totally off base, Revolutions should make for an interesting conclusion...
Originally posted by: Beast1284
Originally posted by: TheShiz
Originally posted by: Beast1284
References to Christianity out the ARSE. The references were so blatant I was laughing to myself through the entire film. But, an excellent sequel and I can't wait to see what happens in the next.
i've never read the bible or been to church, so point out some of the references you found amusing.
Basically everything. If it was in the movie you can find it in the bible... Just to name a few....
- Jesus could heal people, Neo heals Trinity
- When Neo returns to Zion, he is greeted by people with gifts, and one person asks him to heal her daughter, straight out of the bible.
That's just two of the MANY stories that are straight from the bible.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I found it, compared to the first, quite underwhelming. It was a connect the dot of fights with a weak plot at best. Plus the fighting just frankly got boring. It was a big wire string mess and the CGI for the fight with the bar at one point I was sure I was looking at a real time render of what they must use on the console version of the matrix game.
Originally posted by: sohcrates
lots of good stuff in this thread!
just saw the movie
i think you really have to be into the matrix to fully appreciate it. kinda like star wars episode II
(although i hate that comparison, it's kinda accurate)
music in reloaded was pretty weak too i would agree, compared to the first one
good movie though, they got lots of new characters introduced and lots of plot development. i enjoyed it, but judging by audience reaction as a whole, i don't think it really clicked