*** OFFICIAL MATRIX RELOADED AFTERMATH THREAD *** spoilers

[JeffreyLebowski]

i nitpick when a movie doesn't intrest me. it was boring, the fight scenes were over drawn, and lasted way to long.


About the movie, could the #'s of versions of the matrix be like levels of hell?

 

[Rogue]

Was I the only one that kept thinking about dll files and viruses and Microsoft applications when the Oracle kept talking about anomalies and other various "problems" within the Matrix. Could this whole movie be nothing more than a Microsoft vs. Linux platform debate? I mean, c'mon, someone named the "Oracle" that seemlingly can contact Neo both in the Matrix and in the "real world" AKA Linux? It's easily argued that the Oracle is available on multiple platforms, right? I think the whole thing is nothing more than Operating System propaganda. Am I off here?

 

[Luagsch]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: MC Webster
Hey guys, this was posted on the official Matrix website today:

"THE MATRIX: RELOADED covers a lot of ground. The future brings sections on visual effects, the ships, the creatures, the stunts, and much more. All things evolve. For those that understand this, perhaps the following will be understood.

0xA3B1A428

For the above hex, you will need a fairly fast computer and graphics card. An appreciation of the Neb is not a prerequisite (but it helps)."

What does this mean? What does that code mean? Also, the A3B1 part in italics is hidden on the website, and can only be seen when the text is highlighted. Why are they trying to hide that?

looks like it's a "hack code" for the ENTER THE MATRIX video game.

actually no. it's a hack for the thing online. first on the menu of the matrix home-page klick the yellow dot on the right end. then the button next to "low bandwith". now you are in the first hack-phase. klick the binary-tab to get 01101111 and enter. now you are in the second hack-level which is hex (0x) here klick the switches to get A3B1A428 and enter. now you have reached the nebu model-kit (recommendet p4 1,5 and 256 ram). the download for win is 46 mb. enjoy.

hehe

 

[codeyf]

Originally posted by: Glitchny


we dont even know if it is a second matrix, remember when smith told neo that part of him was in neo and part of neo was in him when they meet for the second time? well maybe neo just realized that part of him, the part that was agent smith, was still active in the matrix somehow, or still had a connection to the machines. That way he was able to stop the sentinals by using that part of himself.. If you stayed after the credits it shows the trailer for the next movie, and shows neo fighting smith in the end and there are thousands of smiths. Trinity seems to be fighting for them as well and it doesnt seem to say anything about a second matrix... i think a matrix within the matrix would be too much to cover in just one more movie

Awwww shyt. Now why didn't I remember that. I was thinking the whole Matrix in the Matrix. But that makes complete sense, I just didn't make that connection.

 

[edmicman]

off to see it tonight!

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: MC Webster
Hey guys, this was posted on the official Matrix website today:

"THE MATRIX: RELOADED covers a lot of ground. The future brings sections on visual effects, the ships, the creatures, the stunts, and much more. All things evolve. For those that understand this, perhaps the following will be understood.

0xA3B1A428

For the above hex, you will need a fairly fast computer and graphics card. An appreciation of the Neb is not a prerequisite (but it helps)."

What does this mean? What does that code mean? Also, the A3B1 part in italics is hidden on the website, and can only be seen when the text is highlighted. Why are they trying to hide that?

looks like it's a "hack code" for the ENTER THE MATRIX video game.

its just bonus junk you can find, if you want to know the secrets of thematrix.com website go here

matrix website secrets

 

[Kyteland]

One thing that hasn't been pointed out is that when the sentinals were disabled they actually appeared to hit something. They slammed in to some barrier, seemed to struggle with it, and then fell to the ground deactivated. In the first movie that's not how the EMP affected them. Really the only good explaination is that somehow Neo stopped them.

How did he stop them? My guess is that one of two things is happening. Either the whole Zion is another matrix thing as discussed above -or- when Neo had to choose a door out of the architects room he was actually transfered to his own private matrix. In that matrix he saved a simulated Trinity and then they "woke up" in to a fake Zion world. Since he is still in some kind of matrix he can still control it.

I personally like the theory that all of Zion is a second matrix.

 

[TheShiz]

anyone know if the script of the movie is anywhere on the net?, i can't seem to find it, I'd figure someone had typed it out by now.

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Karsten
Honestly... I expected more. It was good and worth the price of admission, but it did NOT blow me away.
The fights make this movie... although I was amazed that you could tell CGI work, not well hidden!

Like Star Wars, they went overboard on the CGI. The first Matrix movie had a proper balance, but it was also fresh then. Also, where were the guns in this movie? Lots of martial arts and sword play, but no lobby scene!!!

What would the point of guns be involving neo, he can stop all bullets.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Elitebull

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Taking that into consideration I decided to relax a bit as I watched the movie, try to enjoy the fight scenes to the fullest extent and I pity those who don't like them just because they look to CGI of which they don't because I bet you couldn't tell a CGI Smith next to the real smith in the fight scene with 100 smiths. the only reason it looked fake was because there were so many Smiths that looked completely identical and Neo was doing impossible feats, put those two together and our mind cannot relate such a thing as being completely possible. Had they made 99.9% perfect clones of Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith) and had all 100 fight right infront of you you wouldn't think that it looked real either, especially if they were moving faster and jumping higher than humanly possible.

You're reaching and I disagree. Quite frankly the CGI at parts of this movie was subpar. We've seen better in star wars and lord of the rings. If you still don't believe that parts of the CGI were subpar you can load up the reloaded trailer that shows one of the agents on the highway scene as he jumps on the hood of a car. It goes slow motion and if you can't see the cartoonish aspect to the character your eyes need to be checked. I've seen better and you've seen better.

Good CGI for the 100 smiths may have been difficult with all that was going on but it could have been done. However, excusing that there is simply no reason for the agent on the hood of that car to look so bad. It was the worst CGI I've seen in recent times and utterly unacceptable for a movie of this supposed caliber and budget. Check out the trailer if you need reminding. Then go watch lord of the rings - perhaps the cave troll in LOTR1 or those orc-dogs in LOTR2. The contrast is huge. The scene was rushed and I am surprised it was let through on Matrix R.

It's easier to pick out unrealistic aspects when the 3d model is of a human... have you ever seen an orc-dog in person? I'll admit some of the movement was a little awkward, like the way the agents bounced back after being hit by the neo, but the detail on the faces were amazing. After an awkward movement, it'd focus on the face, which then seemed like they fused clips of animation with live-motion segments when in reality, it's all computer generated.

lol yea. i don't get why people still don't understand that the more grotesque you make a cg or any fx character, the easier it is for it to be believable. think anime. then think of trying to draw photorealistically, any small defect would totally piss u off. the lotr monsters were grotesque, gollem is like an old corpse, not much more then a freakier dobbie. remember the long shots in lotr of gandalf and crew running around in the caves and such? so fake it was embarrassing, i thought i was watching a 3/4 overhead view of a video game with little characters and their repetitive walk cycles. and that was with it zoomed so far out u coulnd't really see their faces. i seriously doubt anyone could tell which smiths were human, i couldn't really tell. of course it looks "fake", its in the matrix with its weird lighting and the sheer number is unbelievable. not to mention they all look the same which of course screams unreality to human minds. their strength/movement is insane as it should be. just look at the first one, its not quite realistic either, kind of too clean or too set like enviroments.


and seriously that guy gives lotr too much credit. there were so many obviously fake scenes in those movies. worst of all being the blue screened trees of course. at other times the trees looked like stop motion. gandalf falling in the hole..total cg. however notice the fire monster looked "real".


i remember they found the exact same thing in robotics. when making interactive "robots" with faces, they found the closer they got to human the more grotesque it really looked. all the slight imperfections looked horrifying. think rubber face stretched over motors and stuff saying stuff to u which it being "not quite right".

much easier going with say a real monster or fluffy cartoon animal/person kinda look.

certainly better then atoc where even the storm troopers looked cg, and they have plastic helmets covering their entire head. good lord.

and yea, i have doubts about the emp explanation. seems unlikely trinity and crew were just outside the range

 

[J3anyus]

Originally posted by: koolhand
So who was the kid that followed Neo around when he was in Zion?
Mouse? I thought he died?

I'm not going to read through the 300+ other posts to see if this has already been answered, so yes, I might be repeating what's already been said.

The kid's name is Michael Popper. He gets to Zion, although I'm not really going to reveal how because I don't want to ruin the story. When Animatrix is released on DVD in June, you'll understand. You'll also understand where Link (the operator) came from.

 

[piku]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Karsten
Honestly... I expected more. It was good and worth the price of admission, but it did NOT blow me away.
The fights make this movie... although I was amazed that you could tell CGI work, not well hidden!

Like Star Wars, they went overboard on the CGI. The first Matrix movie had a proper balance, but it was also fresh then. Also, where were the guns in this movie? Lots of martial arts and sword play, but no lobby scene!!!

What would the point of guns be involving neo, he can stop all bullets.

And the point of fighting Neo hand-to-hand would be...?

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Karsten
Honestly... I expected more. It was good and worth the price of admission, but it did NOT blow me away.
The fights make this movie... although I was amazed that you could tell CGI work, not well hidden!

Like Star Wars, they went overboard on the CGI. The first Matrix movie had a proper balance, but it was also fresh then. Also, where were the guns in this movie? Lots of martial arts and sword play, but no lobby scene!!!

What would the point of guns be involving neo, he can stop all bullets.

yeah and very well too or so that guy implied when he compared him to his 5 predecessors. that was wierd. that they wouldn't be all alike.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: J3anyus

Originally posted by: koolhand
So who was the kid that followed Neo around when he was in Zion?
Mouse? I thought he died?

I'm not going to read through the 300+ other posts to see if this has already been answered, so yes, I might be repeating what's already been said.

The kid's name is Michael Popper. He gets to Zion, although I'm not really going to reveal how because I don't want to ruin the story. When Animatrix is released on DVD in June, you'll understand. You'll also understand where Link (the operator) came from.

i forget - was link the runner?

 

[chasem]

Originally posted by: CinderElmo
Maybe this has been said...but perhaps the long rave scene was thrown in because all the kinetic and thermal energy created by those bodies was used for some diabolical purpose by the machine on the outside of the second matrix? Maybe going to "church" by those humans (was that what the rave was supposed to represent?) was suggested by the machines because it was a way to maximize their recharge.

Anyway, great movie, a little slow in spots, but overall worth my money. I give it just barely 4 stars of 5.

i was thinking, if they are trying to rebuild the human race, there may very well be orgonized orgys like that.

 

[MainFramed]

i saw it yesterday, and my god it is the best movie i'v ever seen in my life. the car chase is un-believeable, the holy movie rocked. im spechless still a day later

 

[Dragnov]

Ack. Here's my take.

I think Neo did leave the Matrix when he met w/ the architect. However, this is all expected as it will deal w/ the anomolies that are caused by the One. When Neo left and walked through the door, he basically re-entered the Matrix (not another layer really, just another one) and the Matrix was in a sense "reloaded". Again, this is how the machines deal with the anomolies. But this time Neo realizes something is different, as he still has powers in the "real" world. He WAS in the real world before, but now he is reloaded into a fake real world.

 

[Ziptar]

I have been thinking what the signifigance of Neo choosing 7 males and 16 females to to start Zion anew is.. Thats an odd number.... I am not a studier of the bible but to quote Genesis 7:16..

7:16
And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

Is Zion the eqivalent of Noah's Ark?? And each time it is restarted the machines give them a chance to start over again and do it right??? And with Neo not Choosing that option and returning now circumvent that??


Oh Yeah.. I am starting to suspect that Morpheous is maybe the previous "One" or he is an agent of the Oracle and assists her in her work..

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Ack. Here's my take.

I think Neo did leave the Matrix when he met w/ the architect. However, this is all expected as it will deal w/ the anomolies that are caused by the One. When Neo left and walked through the door, he basically re-entered the Matrix (not another layer really, just another one) and the Matrix was in a sense "reloaded". Again, this is how the machines deal with the anomolies. But this time Neo realizes something is different, as he still has powers in the "real" world. He WAS in the real world before, but now he is reloaded into a fake real world.

Sh1t.. That's Intense...... That would explain alot, the coma, why the matrix wasn't destroyed he we back.. I think you've hit on something there...

 

[MainFramed]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Ack. Here's my take.

I think Neo did leave the Matrix when he met w/ the architect. However, this is all expected as it will deal w/ the anomolies that are caused by the One. When Neo left and walked through the door, he basically re-entered the Matrix (not another layer really, just another one) and the Matrix was in a sense "reloaded". Again, this is how the machines deal with the anomolies. But this time Neo realizes something is different, as he still has powers in the "real" world. He WAS in the real world before, but now he is reloaded into a fake real world.

Wow, very nice i agree.....you hit something. Cause I was astonished when he used his powers in the "real" world. however why the hell did he go into a coma? Im still confused, gonna see it again...and I can't wait to see the third one

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: MainFramed

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Ack. Here's my take.

I think Neo did leave the Matrix when he met w/ the architect. However, this is all expected as it will deal w/ the anomolies that are caused by the One. When Neo left and walked through the door, he basically re-entered the Matrix (not another layer really, just another one) and the Matrix was in a sense "reloaded". Again, this is how the machines deal with the anomolies. But this time Neo realizes something is different, as he still has powers in the "real" world. He WAS in the real world before, but now he is reloaded into a fake real world.

Wow, very nice i agree.....you hit something. Cause I was astonished when he used his powers in the "real" world. however why the hell did he go into a coma? Im still confused, gonna see it again...and I can't wait to see the third one

I think he went into a coma because this isn't supposed to be happening. He isn't supposed to have these powers (as they were not granted by the Matrix), but hes so uber that he does. So in other words, he get fscked up by essentially semi-destroying the Matrix altogether, which he is currently existing in, which is essentially destroying yourself, hence the coma. (I think hes so uber that he will still be able to get out of this of course.) I dunno, I gotta watch this again also, and this is still just speculation like everyone else. =) Can't wait for Revolutions.

I thought this movie was absolutely awesome. Not the same as the first one (which was also absolutely awesome), but still equally great. It's just in a different category so they can't really be compared. To which type of style/movie you like better thats just a matter of preference but I still think both were absolutely great on thier own accounts.

The only thing I was dissapointed to not see was, the [Neo]Woah[/Neo]. Haha.

 

[khlee]

speak gr1mlock speak.. need more info

 

[Zee]

my take: Not covered in the past 3 posts i think, i skimmed through it all and agree with some.

Zion is obviously the matrix. Matrix in a matrix to cover the anomolies as someone stated before.

Neo is in a coma now because he might have truely waken up. Like he's really awake. Completely out of the matrix and completely unplugged. Hence he's not dead but he cant function in the matrix.

Destroying Zion and rebuilding it six times is the equivalence to the computer reformatting. Hence the name Matrix Reloaded but they wont call it Matrix REFORMATTED because then it's too obvious/corny

 

[bharok]

When is the dvd supposed to come out

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Wait if Zion is the Matrix, why are sentinels trying to destroy it? Since computer rules can be bent and hacked, couldn't they just delete them all or something?

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
Wait if Zion is the Matrix, why are sentinels trying to destroy it? Since computer rules can be bent and hacked, couldn't they just delete them all or something?

Maybe because if they just delete the anomolies they'll re-appear. If they destroy the anomolies completely eliminiting their abnormal code, then they might not re-appear in the new matrix. When you format, the data's still there, just the locators for it aren't so it can be restored. Or I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about.