*** OFFICIAL MATRIX RELOADED AFTERMATH THREAD *** spoilers

[dcdomain]

Well with each Matrix, the architect learns more and more and adapts it to the new Matrix... correct?

 

[Linux23]

So is Neo still in the Matrix, or is he in the Real World?:Q

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: dcdomain
Well with each Matrix, the architect learns more and more and adapts it to the new Matrix... correct?

That's the way it seems. The Architect said they've gotten more efficient at destroying Zion. But that makes me wonder, it's not all that difficult to destroy a software program. Just delete it and re-install it. Now battling a real city takes effort and having them do it multiple times makes their strategy more efficient because they know what to not do. Although I'm still not sure if Zion is really the real world or just another Matrix. Hell this entire series of movies could be an extremely immersive video game like Brainscan. Definitely gonna bug me until Revolutions comes out.

 

[no0b]

It was a slap in the face to its audience.

Where was the epic gun battle?

The hand to hand combat was overdone and was pathetic why didn't neo just kill the people while fighting if he is the "one" he should be able to. Why did he even fight the Smith's since in the end of the battle he just flew away, why didn't he just say screw you smith I'm going home.

The lack of action was made up by a failed attempt at a love story with the old cliched love triangles. It was also made up with dialog that was meant to explain things but only made things much more complex.

I the audience who loved the first one wanted to see atleast a fair amount of action. (BTW action to me excludes most hand to hand combat because its been done over and over and over again.)

If the next movie's ending turns out to be a matrix inside of a matrix I am going to hunt down the writters.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: no0b
It was a slap in the face to its audience.

Where was the epic gun battle?

The hand to hand combat was overdone and was pathetic why didn't neo just kill the people while fighting if he is the "one" he should be able to. Why did he even fight the Smith's in the end he just flew away why didn't he just say screw you smith I'm going home.

The lack of action was made up by a failed attempt at a love story with the old cliched love triangles. It was also made up with dialog that was meant to explain things but only made things much more complex.

I the audience who loved the first one wanted to see atleast a fair amount of action. (BTW action to me excludes most hand to hand combat because its been done over and over and over again.)

If the next movie's ending turns out to be a matrix inside of a matrix I am going to hunt down the writters.

We're sorry that you can't understand the hidden connections and references. Also, he can't fly away in that hallway.

 

[no0b]

I was talking about the fight scene with the pole and the spining and stuff. Not the fight scene with Morpheous in the hallway.


I could see how you mixed the two fight sequences up since I said in the end you thought I meant the end of the movie while I was trying to say the end of the fight. I have edited it to be alittle more clear.

 

[touchmyichi]

I just came up with something-

The arcitect tells neo he is the sixth illeteration and many have come before him. Time passes in the matrix. So lets say in the the first matrix he made time passed to the year when machines took over the world. Those machines then went on to make the matrix. So basically history will keep on repeating itself in a loop over and over again.

 

[touchmyichi]

I just came up with something-

The arcitect tells neo he is the sixth illeteration and many have come before him. Time passes in the matrix. So lets say in the the first matrix he made time passed to the year when machines took over the world. Those machines then went on to make the matrix inside the matrix. So basically history will keep on repeating itself in a loop over and over again.

 

[no0b]

lol. A continious loop that time(verses a computer program) is doing.

 

[touchmyichi]

Noob, a computer will control the entire sequence as it repeats over and over again, while all of the real machines prosper in the 'real' world.

 

[Aboroth]

What a horrible movie. I can't believe I wasted $8.50 to see it. I wish I saw X2 instead.

I rolled my eyes when the keymaker and architect introduced themselves. It was like they both said, "I am the plot device. I have been waiting for you." Just lame.

The fighting was way too long and way too boring. The plot was total crap. The problem was I saw it with a friend who thinks the guys who made it are the best people in the world or something, which made it annoying because I didn't want to get into any stupid Matrix arguments.

I was interested in the first movie, which was OK. The second movie made me not even want to know what the third one will be like. Perhaps I will watch it if I get in for free somehow, but I won't pay to see it.

 

[badluck]

It is obvious that Agent Smith is the other one who survived the attack at the end. So does Neo. They obviously are the only two who have their powers in the real world. Unless, Agent Smith morphed himself into the guys that rescued him when they searched for bodies after the attack!!!???? Maybe there are tons of Agent Smith's running around now, but still have the appearance as captains in the real world (the captains were the only people to search for survivors).

Neo and Agent Smith are both in comas because they used up so much power attempting to defeat the oncoming attack.

I can't wait to see that fight in the real world. That will probably be the final fight scene.

 

[Kev]

I saw this on another site, here's the final bit of dialogue for you all to prod at:

Architect: Hello Neo

Neo: Who are you?

Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I have been waiting for you. You have many questions and although the process has altered your consciousness you remain irrevocably human, ergo some of my answers you will understand and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question maybe the most pertinent you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

Neo: Why am I here?

Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent in the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden deciduously avoided it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you inexcerably here.

Neo: You haven?t answered my question.

Architect: Quite right. Interesting, that was quicker then the others.

Neo: Others? (What others? How many? Answer me)

Architect: The Matrix is older then you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next. In which case this is the sixth version.

Neo: Then there are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows.

Architect: Precisely, as you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic. Creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

Neo: Choice, the problem is choice.

Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it, Based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However I was again frustrated my failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another, and intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo: The Oracle

Architect: Please, as I was saying she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at an unconscious level. While this answered function it was obviously fundamentally flawed thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself, ergo those that refuse the program while the minority if unchecked would cause an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo: This is about Zion

Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo: Bull

Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it. And we have become exceedingly efficient at it. The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program after which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which, coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo: You won?t let it happen, you can?t. You need human beings to survive.

Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However the relevant issue is whether you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world. It is interesting reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were by design based on a similar predication a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way your experience is far more specific, Vis a vie love.

Neo: Trinity

Architect: Apropo, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo: No

Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors, the door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion, the door to your left leads back to the matrix to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know we you are going to do don?t we? Already I can see the chain reaction the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth, she is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don?t meet again.

Architect: We won?t.

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: no0b
It was a slap in the face to its audience.

Where was the epic gun battle?

The hand to hand combat was overdone and was pathetic why didn't neo just kill the people while fighting if he is the "one" he should be able to. Why did he even fight the Smith's in the end he just flew away why didn't he just say screw you smith I'm going home.

The lack of action was made up by a failed attempt at a love story with the old cliched love triangles. It was also made up with dialog that was meant to explain things but only made things much more complex.

I the audience who loved the first one wanted to see atleast a fair amount of action. (BTW action to me excludes most hand to hand combat because its been done over and over and over again.)

If the next movie's ending turns out to be a matrix inside of a matrix I am going to hunt down the writters.

We're sorry that you can't understand the hidden connections and references. Also, he can't fly away in that hallway.

Do we pity these people or mock them?

 

[everman]

Well now that I've seen the movie I've taken a look at this post, interesting stuff. so...

At the end it "seems" as though Neo has powers in what is supposed to be the real world. But as stated before, the most plausible explanation is that it is simply another part of The Matrix. The reason why Neo did not see himself as code was because he never even thought that the real world was not real! That was how it was before he knew the matrix was a fake world right? Zion is also part of the matrix, it is neccesary for what seems to be error correction code. Neo is an anomoly that is dealt with in a specific way and zion is neccesary for that to be done.

He goes into a coma possibly because he realizes that what the thought was the real world is still the matrix. Maybe he got "unplugged" from that part of the matrix or the entire matrix itself.

The machines drilling down to zion was all part of the ploy to keep Neo (and the 5 others before him) believing it was the real world and debug him for matrix 7.0

On another note, looked like they may be running Unix in the matrix from the command prompt where Trinity gets Root (all too easily I'd say, some sysAdmin is gunna get his ass kicked for that).

There was also a lot of interesting philosophical and religious aspects to it, more than I care to list.


Cliff's notes version: Zion is still part of the matrix. Neo finally realizes that in the end. Smith knows this?

 

[Kev]

that's it. i'm thinking neo is a program now.

When the arcitect says "Your 5 predecessors were by design..." that indicates to me that neo was designed.

And if you see the preview from the end of Enter the Matrix, you see Morpheus saying (in a look of shock): "He is fighting for us." Like he was amazed that a program would actually be fighting for their freedom.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: maladroit
that's it. i'm thinking neo is a program now.

When the arcitect says "Your 5 predecessors were by design..." that indicates to me that neo was designed.

And if you see the preview from the end of Enter the Matrix, you see Morpheus saying (in a look of shock): "He is fighting for us." Like he was amazed that a program would actually be fighting for their freedom.

Possibly. But it sounded like Neo's (and people's) freedom to choose one way or the other caused part of the equation to become unbalanced, thus the need to restart the program new again since there was no way to balance the equation. Although they think that after so many iterations and studying the problem they may fix it.

 

[theNEOone]

...The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program....

anybody wanna try and figure out wtf this means? what "code" are they talking about, and why does the One have to enter the source to disseminate it? while we're at it, anyone wanna be a little less abstract about "the source"? i'm confused.



on a lighter note.....



i've read a good amount of posts and haven't seen anyone mention the "mechwarriors." i thought that they looked freaking awesome. i can't wait to see them in action during matrix revolutions.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

...The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program....

anybody wanna try and figure out wtf this means? what "code" are they talking about, and why does the One have to enter the source to disseminate it? while we're at it, anyone wanna be a little less abstract about "the source"? i'm confused.

The Architect describes the Matrix is nearly mathamatically perfect except for one thing. The result of this is the anomoly which is Neo (and those 5 before him). The "code" sounds like the source code for the Matrix located in the mainframe. It needs to leave the matrix and the Matrix must be Reloaded. Thus zion destroyed and the process repeated with another iteration of Neo ad infinitum...

 

[Fahtrim]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: koolhand
So what's the deal with Neo being able to stop the Sentinels as if he was "in" the Matrix when he's
out in the "real" world??

the real world is a secondary program to contain the humans who got out of the 1st world.

they only thought they were free from the machine and had their real bodies, but they werent. even in their "real" world, they were still within the computer program.

NEO was the 6th one that tried to shut down the machine and save what he thoguht was his real world. but in actuality, he realized the "real" world was another computer program, thus he had power over it.

That is pretty much what I was telling my buddies after the movie. They thought/think I'm nuts.

 

[Fahtrim]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: koolhand
So what's the deal with Neo being able to stop the Sentinels as if he was "in" the Matrix when he's
out in the "real" world??

the real world is a secondary program to contain the humans who got out of the 1st world.

they only thought they were free from the machine and had their real bodies, but they werent. even in their "real" world, they were still within the computer program.

NEO was the 6th one that tried to shut down the machine and save what he thoguht was his real world. but in actuality, he realized the "real" world was another computer program, thus he had power over it.

That is pretty much what I was telling my buddies after the movie. They thought/think I'm nuts.

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: maladroit
that's it. i'm thinking neo is a program now.

When the arcitect says "Your 5 predecessors were by design..." that indicates to me that neo was designed.

And if you see the preview from the end of Enter the Matrix, you see Morpheus saying (in a look of shock): "He is fighting for us." Like he was amazed that a program would actually be fighting for their freedom.

i dont seem to remember that part after seeing the preview twice... hmm mabe morphous is talking about someone else, not specifically neo, since it is a trailer they just splice clips together

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: theNEOone

...The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program....

anybody wanna try and figure out wtf this means? what "code" are they talking about, and why does the One have to enter the source to disseminate it? while we're at it, anyone wanna be a little less abstract about "the source"? i'm confused.

The Architect describes the Matrix is nearly mathamatically perfect except for one thing. The result of this is the anomoly which is Neo (and those 5 before him). The "code" sounds like the source code for the Matrix located in the mainframe. It needs to leave the matrix and the Matrix must be Reloaded. Thus zion destroyed and the process repeated with another iteration of Neo ad infinitum...

so the matrix is reloaded every time the One emerges from the matrix? that seems like a good interpretation, but then why rebuild zion? why just not reboot the matrix w/o reconstructing zion? that way, the One will never be freed, and then there wouldn't be any need for further reloads, because if zion has been destroyed then there wouldn't be anyone to free the One from the matrix. he'd just be a curious mind floating around, but not the strong being causing havok all over the place.

edit: one more thing. why the need for the one to return to the source for the reload to occur?

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Glitchny

Originally posted by: maladroit
that's it. i'm thinking neo is a program now.

When the arcitect says "Your 5 predecessors were by design..." that indicates to me that neo was designed.

And if you see the preview from the end of Enter the Matrix, you see Morpheus saying (in a look of shock): "He is fighting for us." Like he was amazed that a program would actually be fighting for their freedom.

i dont seem to remember that part after seeing the preview twice... hmm mabe morphous is talking about someone else, not specifically neo, since it is a trailer they just splice clips together

not the preview after the movie. the preview from the end of enter the matrix. it is different. see this thread.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: theNEOone

...The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program....

anybody wanna try and figure out wtf this means? what "code" are they talking about, and why does the One have to enter the source to disseminate it? while we're at it, anyone wanna be a little less abstract about "the source"? i'm confused.

The Architect describes the Matrix is nearly mathamatically perfect except for one thing. The result of this is the anomoly which is Neo (and those 5 before him). The "code" sounds like the source code for the Matrix located in the mainframe. It needs to leave the matrix and the Matrix must be Reloaded. Thus zion destroyed and the process repeated with another iteration of Neo ad infinitum...

so the matrix is reloaded every time the One emerges from the matrix? that seems like a good interpretation, but then why rebuild zion? why just not reboot the matrix w/o reconstructing zion? that way, the One will never be freed, and then there wouldn't be any need for further reloads, because if zion has been destroyed then there wouldn't be anyone to free the One from the matrix. he'd just be a curious mind floating around, but not the strong being causing havok all over the place.

edit: one more thing. why the need for the one to return to the source for the reload to occur?

I'm thinking that Zion is also part of the Matrix actually. It's another method of control, maybe to control The One (which is a mathamatical anomoly and can't be stopped until they figure out a better equation). I have a feeling it's something about controlling the problem, control was part of different themes.